***BREAKING NEWS***

Carter sacks Chester & appoints Egg Banjo & Mopsey Lives On as the new joint coaches. Carter promises the new coaches millions to spend on players funded by new Saudi backers.

If that's the case then why don't you sod off and come back when he's gone, I'm not too sure though that it's his intention to get the club relegated.

you kind of made a valid point there, struggling to get points on the board in two games now I would say has blown confidence away, we've seen games before start slow and ended up kicking first to get points moving so why not now, always been a believer of being in front whether its a point or a dozen

The injuries which we have occurred over the last 2 seasons has been atrocious. That said it does not completely excuse the clearly declining performances over 18 months. We were already one dimensional in attack constantly relying on Johnstone and tupou to create magic, we have had no other solid threats for a while now. Nobody can say we didn’t try yesterday, but we clearly lack creativity in the opponents 40, with our last tackle options being nothing short of embarrassing. Our kicking game is atrocious and consistently lose momentum as we give them easy metres. Our defence also now looks deflated allowing Warrington to roll up field 70/80 metres after a 20 metre restart which is just a killer. I’m just fed up like most on here of seeing a club I love constantly going on a huge dip after having a couple of decent seasons.

I could 100 per cent coach our and any other team better than chester, carter should pull the trigger now and he can take himself with him if he wants.

LOL. I might even give you the coaching thing. You clearly have a good rep from how people talk about you....... But Carter leaving would mean you had no team to coach pretty quickly.

The voice of reason

Egg Banjo wrote:
If I performed as poorly at work as Chester and the players are, I'd be embarrassed at myself and my boss would be having a word with me.

I expected us to lose, and I expected us to be nilled, but that's because I can see that Chester has completely lost it and the players aren't interested in working for him or themselves any more


Just out of interest what is your job?

He’s a professional moaner, and a very good one. Comes out of the woodwork whenever the club has a bad patch, has no perception of support and loyalty. In other words, “a waste of spacel”

Yeah, notice there was no reply...because it’s the biggest load of rubbish argument going is that...if I did the same in my job I’d get sacked...what a load of nonsense!

It’s ok for anyone in any different job to go and do their job when everything is good and all your tools are in tact, you can go and do the job well.

Just say as an example you work in a warehouse...

You’ve a team of 20 workers and you have 5,000 orders to complete on shift.

First three days of the week all is good and you hit your targets.

4th day...4 people ring in sick, two of the four fork lift trucks that have been fine for the first three days stop working so you can only use two...you’re already 4 people down and an hour into the shift there’s an accident and one of the workers has to be taken to hospital, so you’re another two staff down.

Next thing there’s a problem with the computers and orders aren’t coming off like they should be...

Boss calls you in at the end of the shift...right you’ve only managed 2.500 orders this shift you’re sacked...

Lol we're are our 8 Super League backs meaning backs who can come in and old a place down .I will tell you 2 rest have been brought in as panic buys.Fact H K R ad load of injury as lock down started yesterday they had near enough a full team out ,played better rugby than we can.Says a lot about there coaching and conditioner. Think 4 wins,or is it 5 in 27 games and blaming injury is a poor excuse for panic buying of past it S L player's .No point in blaming Mr Carter he as saved the club but is been taken in by poor coaches with plenty of excuses

Injuries are an exact excuse. I can't see how you can say otherwise.
If we don't have our best players on the field we won't do as well as if they were.

Yes but previous to that Hull KR lost 40-10 to Warrington at a neutral ground...you bigging them up for that too?

I wouldn't say its Chester out as of yet, we are clearly doing it tough at the moment with some key personnel missing. Yesterday our so called first choice 1,2,3,4,5,7,8 were missing which is going to affect any team.

Yes our confidence is clearly low and we are lacking some leadership on the field which makes the Fifita issue all the more frustrating.

Once we are back to full strength, I'll pass judgement again and if we are in the same position then it might be the time to look at the management

We beat Warrington before lockdown

They didn't have Hill or Hughes but had BMM.
Certainly they were near full strength in both games with their marquee players in place.

We had Johnstone, Arundal, Lyne, Kopczak, Tangata playing
And we were at home.

Chester was there in both games.

So why the change in fortune? Could it be Covid, injuries fitness? Or could it be Chester just became a bad coach and should be sacked?

Hull KR are probably a good side to compare against because their results aren’t too dissimilar to outs over the same period.

They have the odd good wins...the close defeats against top sides mixed in with the odd hammerings. In that time frame we’ve played them twice...comprehensively beating them 38–10 on their own patch in a huge pressure game at the back end of last season and losing first game of this season at theirs.

What we saying about their coach then?

Went to Leeds and won them their first title in over 30 years.

Went to Warrington and gave them their first final victory in over 40 years.

Won grand finals, challenge cups, world club challenges, been coach of the year, coached Great Britain.

Has he all of a sudden become a useless coach, or like Chester, is he finding it difficult to get results with limited resources and continually up against it with injuries?

I agree

How many games have we played and of those how many have we won since Kear left.
With regards Chester he is still not taking any blame instead passing that onto one player who I remember played when clearly injured last season to help the team. I note he was enthusiastic in stating that he is our highest paid player so is it once again down to money and cost cutting. The biggest loss however to revenue will be those supporters either staying away or not renewing their season tickets because of what a team he coaches has produced for many months on the pitch. This will then be followed by the usual it’s the supporters fault that we cannot have a competitive team despite the fact we have provided the club with a bonus by not requesting our money back. I am afraid this threat will not wash this time because people will have greater calls on their finances caused by the effects on employment by the virus than watching a poor performing team.
It will therefore be up to the CEO or the coach to realise it is a time for a change regardless of friendship because Wakefield Trinity is bigger than one individual and hopefully will outlast all of us.
With regards the Hull KR comparison, they realised he had taken the team as far as he could and sacked him, we on the other hand have not. We are not talking just this season but since the Leeds away win last season. I am sorry but based on the teams attitude and performance levels he is clearly no longer up to the job and no I don’t know who to replace him with but that will depend on who wants it.

The Hull KR comparison I’m making is with current coach Tony Smith! Over the last 25-30 games both teams results are pretty similar. Is Tony Smith a useless coach all of a sudden or finding it hard on limited resources and continuos injury struggles. To a lesser extent you can throw Brian MacDermott in there...won everything with a champion side of players at Leeds but couldn’t win a game with Toronto and suffered a 66-12 defeat in his last match...

If there were to be a replacement, I'd go for a proven coach at a lower level than an unproven one from the top, in the way that Cas got Powell from Featherstone.

Ford or Ward (with Langley) would be the ones. Ward prizes fitness, and appears to prize team-togetherness. Sheridan would be too much of a risk, just because some people are meant to be assistants, not coaches (see Webster and Lowes) and it shouldn't be for us to conduct the experiment.

For me, it would be JD. He's proved at it at the lower level in Aus, has bags of NRL assistant experience and knows the club, but I just don't think we'd get him. A family man with kids who is being groomed to slot into Wayne Bennett's job. He doesn't need to come here to get the head coach NRL gig. He just needs to bide his time.

I haven't done the maths but I reckon if someone sat down and worked it out, he would have one of the worst win-ratios for Leeds in the super league era. He won some of his grand finals from lower down the league. He was very good at a short run at the end of the season, but Leeds had a history of starting badly under him but then coming good at the end of the season. My reading of his Leeds side is that he benefited greatly from a golden generation and strong leadership within the playing group rather than astute coaching.

Ward & Langley would be my choice as well. Either way we need a change, Chester has done a decent job but coaches have a shelf life and sadly the decline is deep set. A total refresh of the backroom staff is needed as well. Dickens, Clawson, Gilmour etc have been there years and we need a change of direction.

As for JD he is taking over from Bennett in 2022. The contract is in place, was announced earlier this year.

I remember a mention of something along those lines during commentary on one of the games but I didn't know it was all official and signed off.

I bet he pinches himself when he thinks back to walking into Belle Vue for the first time after an unsuccessful stint at an unsuccessful Widnes, compared to where he has ascended to, past all those great NRL players who have retired since then. Good luck to the guy. Just a shame that it is unlikely we'll ever see him coaching Wakey.

What I liked about Ward was how fit the London players looked. I know they weren't coming from a bruising Super League campaign but fitness was clearly an issue for them, and why they were able to stay in the games right to the end. Teams like ours cannot carry players who begin huffing and puffing after twenty minutes, because we are always likely to be doing a lot of defending and because to have a chance, we have to play above ourselves.

I imagine if you can stump up the cash to pay off Chester and his coaching staff, and then pay for a new Head Coach and coaching staff, MC will oblige. You do realise the world had stopped for four months, and we are now in a recession?

So we were unfit and London were fit yet at the end of the season their points difference was -282 and ours -115...

This is what makes me laugh about our fans. Supposed to be ‘supporting’ our club but rip us to shreds at every available opportunity, yet heap praise on the teams in and around us who are getting similar results!

Case in point...praise for Hull KR trying the other day but forgetting in their previous game they lost 40-10 to the same Warrington team we did.

We lose our first game back by a point to Wigan who are now sat top but instead of praising a gutsy effort let’s pick apart the performance and say Wigan eased off to let us get back into it...and it goes down as another defeat to add to the numbers...

I agree. Some people just seem to live for the moaning and don't actually post anything when something good happens.
I guess if they pay their money they can do what they like but it seems like a sad existence to me.

Saying that my mate is a Cas fan and says they have exactly the same issue. Maybe all clubs have them.