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| Imaterial Wakefield council are intersted in creating jobs that cost nothing and tick the right boxes. The outcome of the enquiry will be purlely a government decision and not a Wakefield council decision.
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| Wow =Wakefield council owe Wakefield a future
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"IA have you seen the 67 page document on the council planning portal from June Fender and co. There are all sorts of allegations from Box having a conflict of interest cos he used to be a consultant for the firm who cleaned the NM site up, to your letter of support being riddled with inaccuracies and at best misleading!!!
Just wondered what you thought of it all.'"
I reckon I can let you know a shortened version of his reply - 'not a lot'!
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| I've just had a read of that 67 page document and they should have basically called it 'NIMBY' a case study, it's comical to say the least. I love the bit where they state that, Trinity don't need a stadium because Cas have one and apparently if we joined in with them, it would automatically be built.
The amount of far reaching statements they come out with is unreal, they're even still trying to make out that match days will cause problems for Pinderfields hospital A&E department, they don't seem to understand that match days aren't played during rush hour and the majority of the time on the weekends.
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| Try [url=https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/online-applications/pagedSearchResults.do?action=page&searchCriteria.page=4this[/url.
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| So pretty much they're against everything!
They're against cars, but own them
They're against public transport but admit they're under serviced.
They suggest 800 parking spaces aren't enough, but don't want car use?
They highlight, the fact that Arriva/Metro are more than happy to arrange match day shuttles for 13/365 days of the year thus reducing traffic issues.
They recognise the need for employment, but only if the unemployed are in a short walking distance to the site? Do all inhabitants of Newmarket Lane work on NM lane?
To be honest i'm quite happy with the document, because it highlights the fact that still after plenty of time to prepare and plan to object against the site they still haven't focused their objection towards several key issues and have rather broadened their objection to encompass everything. In doing so, this means their arguement when specifically analysed point by point is rather flimsy.
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| I would agree. The document picks on so many diverse issue, it doesn't really back one reason. I know that isn't enough but I think they'd have been better saying, 'there is one big reason why this doesn't work.....' rather than saying every alternative, some of which will be knocked down quite easily.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"IA have you seen the 67 page document on the council planning portal from June Fender and co. There are all sorts of allegations from Box having a conflict of interest cos he used to be a consultant for the firm who cleaned the NM site up, to your letter of support being riddled with inaccuracies and at best misleading!!!
Just wondered what you thought of it all.'"
Other than it was very nice of them to let us have the information we need to counter their arguments in advance, not that we really needed 67 pages of it, then pretty much what TRB posted!
It is full of holes you could drive a bus through... and we intend to do just that!
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| Quote ="Trinity Till Death"So pretty much they're against everything!
They're against cars, but own them
They're against public transport but admit they're under serviced.
They suggest 800 parking spaces aren't enough, but don't want car use?
They highlight, the fact that Arriva/Metro are more than happy to arrange match day shuttles for 13/365 days of the year thus reducing traffic issues.
They recognise the need for employment, but only if the unemployed are in a short walking distance to the site? Do all inhabitants of Newmarket Lane work on NM lane?
To be honest i'm quite happy with the document, because it highlights the fact that still after plenty of time to prepare and plan to object against the site they still haven't focused their objection towards several key issues and have rather broadened their objection to encompass everything. In doing so, this means their arguement when specifically analysed point by point is rather flimsy.'"
That is a good summary... I quite like this, I might read this out to the planning inspector at my evidence session!
The employment thing is their attempt to pick up on a planning technicality!
Sites are assessed for 'public transport accessibility' on this really dumb flow chart system. Basically, if you don't have a current bus stop within 400 metres of the CENTRE of a new site, your site is considered to have a very poor public transport access. Firstly, if the site is not an urban site then all large sites score poorly. It is complete nonsense... and they know it! The extra buses will come when people start working on the site and therefore there is a need for extra buses... chicken and egg!
Newmarket scores poorly on this stupid system... but not quite a poorly as the Aire Valley, which needs a road before you can put a bus stop up and drive a bus anywhere near it!
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| Quote ="Trinity Till Death"So pretty much they're against everything!
They're against cars, but own them
They're against public transport but admit they're under serviced.
They suggest 800 parking spaces aren't enough, but don't want car use?
They highlight, the fact that Arriva/Metro are more than happy to arrange match day shuttles for 13/365 days of the year thus reducing traffic issues.
They recognise the need for employment, but only if the unemployed are in a short walking distance to the site? Do all inhabitants of Newmarket Lane work on NM lane?
To be honest i'm quite happy with the document, because it highlights the fact that still after plenty of time to prepare and plan to object against the site they still haven't focused their objection towards several key issues and have rather broadened their objection to encompass everything. In doing so, this means their arguement when specifically analysed point by point is rather flimsy.'"
Maybe someone should also mention to them on the quiet that, should the Newmarket development not get the go ahead, then it has apparently been discussed in high places that the site would go on the (now quite short) list of places that a certain necessary development that has recently been pulled from Walton and previously from Ossett could go. I'm sure that would please them.....
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| Quote ="sixtogo"Maybe someone should also mention to them on the quiet that, should the Newmarket development not get the go ahead, then it has apparently been discussed in high places that the site would go on the (now quite short) list of places that a certain necessary development that has recently been pulled from Walton and previously from Ossett could go. I'm sure that would please them.....'"
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I hope the picking of your lottery numbers affords you the same luck....
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| That document is a joke; typically for NIMBY's, their argument is flimsy, badly constructed and uses a carpet-bombing approach to try to raise as many objections as possible, however tenuous.
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| It will be very interesting what appears on the horizon when all of the dust has settled after the political war fare.
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| Quote ="bren2k"That document is a joke; typically for NIMBY's, their argument is flimsy, badly constructed and uses a carpet-bombing approach to try to raise as many objections as possible, however tenuous.'"
Barton Wilmore - their services will cost a few bob. I wonder who's paying?
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| To quote an old legal maxim:
If you're strong on the law, argue the law.
If you're strong on the facts, argue the facts.
If you're strong on neither, bang on the table.
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. That's all I can hear.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Barton Wilmore - their services will cost a few bob. I wonder who's paying?'"
Myself and Yorkcourt's barrister were having the same conversation just the other day... we have a good idea... but don't know for certain!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Myself and Yorkcourt's barrister were having the same conversation just the other day... we have a good idea... but don't know for certain!'"
I'm working with two separate planning specialists at the mo and I can say with certainty that whomever is paying, will be paying through the nose.
I would also suggest that whatever they're paying is too much, if that document is the best they can come up with.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"That is a good summary... I quite like this, I might read this out to the planning inspector at my evidence session!
The employment thing is their attempt to pick up on a planning technicality!
Sites are assessed for 'public transport accessibility' on this really dumb flow chart system. Basically, if you don't have a current bus stop within 400 metres of the CENTRE of a new site, your site is considered to have a very poor public transport access. Firstly, if the site is not an urban site then all large sites score poorly. It is complete nonsense... and they know it! The extra buses will come when people start working on the site and therefore there is a need for extra buses... chicken and egg!
Newmarket scores poorly on this stupid system... but not quite a poorly as the Aire Valley, which needs a road before you can put a bus stop up and drive a bus anywhere near it!'"
Working for a bus company I know this to be true, if arriva think they will get business they will put buses on.
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| Great to see a well organised and well attended demostration outside the Wakefield Town hall.Well done to every one who attended, it was done with the right attitude and decorum. Sat in the public gallery for 30 mins listening to Sir Rodney converse with the goverment inspector and objectors. I think the Wakefield City will win the Wakefield war of political debate. Mr Wakefields points of view appear to be of a selfish nature just like Mr Wrights Letter. 2 x wrongs dont make a right,so therefore conclude Mr Wright is wrong.
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| Round one of the political fight looking positive.Ding Ding get ready folks for round two. I do hope all the storys are true re all the wild life and otters or are they a fabricated fantasy.
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| Does anyone know how the Newmarket project began?
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