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Thats generous i suppose, but why issue an exra share holding, surely that will de-value the share holding in its entirety, why not just sell his shares to the investors and give the money to the club, just seems to be a strange way as who would manage the trust shares ? i dont know and tbf its nothing to do with me, but i suppose it will all come out in the wash.'"
Because he'd get screwed on Tax meaning the £500k would be significantly reduced.
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| I dont think you have a hope in hell of attracting the investment you need, £500,000 is massive and why would supporters chuck money away when 2 investors (with much more money) have just walked away??
I would doubt that even Leeds, Saints or Wigan would get anywhere near that sort of investment from fans if put in the same situation........and they have all got some actual fans!!
If the basis of Wakefields future was based on getting a pie in the sky decision on this FREE stadium then it tells you something about the state of Wakefield Trinity Wildcats as a viable entity!!
The whole development at Newmarket will never be built now, its the end of all that, you lot have to face the facts and to keep slagging off Wakefield council is outrageuos in the extreme when you consider they have bought belle vue for a good amount of tax payers money 3 times in the last 15-20 years and sold it back to you for a quid 3 times so that you could sell it again to raise more cash to waste...........and you still say they havent helped you!!!!
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| Phew, this feels bad. We're hoping for a franchise as a professional sports club, but we will be run by whoever sticks their hand up in a shareholders meeting. It might be one way forward, but it feels like we are going to turn into a small-fry community club.
And I can understand why the RFL would differentiate between us and Crusaders. Looking at impartially, one is a new club saddled with debts from a previous owner, whereas the other is one that would want a loan to help out the same owners.
As much as I want to help out the club, I can't help feeling that it will be a grand down the pan. We will be in NL regardless and what happens after that is anybe's guess.
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"I dont think you have a hope in hell of attracting the investment you need, £500,000 is massive and why would supporters chuck money away when 2 investors (with much more money) have just walked away??
I would doubt that even Leeds, Saints or Wigan would get anywhere near that sort of investment from fans if put in the same situation........and they have all got some actual fans!!
If the basis of Wakefields future was based on getting a pie in the sky decision on this FREE stadium then it tells you something about the state of Wakefield Trinity Wildcats as a viable entity!!
The whole development at Newmarket will never be built now, its the end of all that, you lot have to face the facts and to keep slagging off Wakefield council is outrageuos in the extreme when you consider they have bought belle vue for a good amount of tax payers money 3 times in the last 15-20 years and sold it back to you for a quid 3 times so that you could sell it again to raise more cash to waste...........and you still say they havent helped you!!!!'"
Nonsense!
And the difference between the two ideals is that we are fans first, not business men. Only the RFL can explain why the sensible business route for the club is the one that we cannot take - despite them doing the very same with another club which is supposed to be on equal footing with us!
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| At no point of this thread has WMDC been slagged off!!!. If anything i believe they`ve been very helpfull with the NM development.
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| TRB........Its time for you to stop being a busy body and cease trying to sugar coat turds and giving these poor fans things to cling on to, such THAT.... if you were not involved and read the rediculous garbage you have written over the last few months you would see straight away that there wasn't a hope in hell of it actually becoming a reality.
These fans deserve better!!
Its time for some cold hard truth on this forum and it will be tough to cope with, but stringing people along with pathetic petitions and new groups to join is a waste of everybodys time!!
The facts are thus:
- The club is in debt and without new investment will go bust within a month or 2.
- The club will not get a new Franchise.
- The club is probably unlikeley to meet its 2011 Super League commitments.
- Newmarket will NOT get the go ahead following the Public Enquiry and the project will be shelved.
Wakefield should not be asking the fans for all this money when investors won't touch it with a barge pole, they are banking on blind emotion and its a disgrace!!
If the fans want Ted out and to take the club over, why not let it go into administration and buy it for a lot less money, they could have a very good future in the championship and not have to throw all this money into a defunct Super League dream!!
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| Quote ="TRB"Nonsense!
And the difference between the two ideals is that we are fans first, not business men. Only the RFL can explain why the sensible business route for the club is the one that we cannot take - despite them doing the very same with another club which is supposed to be on equal footing with us!
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Because we were offering security against something that does not, and may never, exist? A club requesting financial aid when it has had the same ownership for years, and 11 years in the top flight to get it's act together is much different to a new entity bogged down by the debts of a previous owner?
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| Quote ="Did you know?."At no point of this thread has WMDC been slagged off!!!. If anything i believe they`ve been very helpfull with the NM development.'"
I agree, i guess i meant on many other threads on this Wakefield Forum.......you cannot deny that!!
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| hmmm, champagne charlie!!!
i smell the work of a previous amber clad gremlin!!!
in answer to your well thought out musings (not) though,
1 all clubs are in debt, including yours.
2 we dont yet know, it may still be you.
3 cant see that being an issue, how do you come to your conclusion (please show all working out)
4 how do you know this to be true? i have had a letter sent to me today giving the reasons why it has gone to a "local" inquiry, and to be honest it doesnt look as bad as first thought, most issues should be addressed by the developer.
Wakefield can ask its fans for what it choses, a bit like buying a brick to make up for a cash shortfall on GH.
Last point i agree with, as long as the rfl are going to deal with us the same as crusaders, id deffo think it was the best way forward.
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"TRB........Its time for you to stop being a busy body and cease trying to sugar coat turds and giving these poor fans things to cling on to, such THAT.... if you were not involved and read the rediculous garbage you have written over the last few months you would see straight away that there wasn't a hope in hell of it actually becoming a reality.
These fans deserve better!!
Its time for some cold hard truth on this forum and it will be tough to cope with, but stringing people along with pathetic petitions and new groups to join is a waste of everybodys time!!
=#FF0040The facts are thus:
- The club is in debt and without new investment will go bust within a month or 2.
- The club will not get a new Franchise.
- The club is probably unlikeley to meet its 2011 Super League commitments.
- Newmarket will NOT get the go ahead following the Public Enquiry and the project will be shelved.Wakefield should not be asking the fans for all this money when investors won't touch it with a barge pole, they are banking on blind emotion and its a disgrace!!
If the fans want Ted out and to take the club over, why not let it go into administration and buy it for a lot less money, they could have a very good future in the championship and not have to throw all this money into a defunct Super League dream!!'"
I see it about the same
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"TRB........Its time for you to stop being a busy body and cease trying to sugar coat turds and giving these poor fans things to cling on to, such THAT.... if you were not involved and read the rediculous garbage you have written over the last few months you would see straight away that there wasn't a hope in hell of it actually becoming a reality.
These fans deserve better!!
Its time for some cold hard truth on this forum and it will be tough to cope with, but stringing people along with pathetic petitions and new groups to join is a waste of everybodys time!!
The facts are thus:
- The club is in debt and without new investment will go bust within a month or 2.
- The club will not get a new Franchise.
- The club is probably unlikeley to meet its 2011 Super League commitments.
- Newmarket will NOT get the go ahead following the Public Enquiry and the project will be shelved.
Wakefield should not be asking the fans for all this money when investors won't touch it with a barge pole, they are banking on blind emotion and its a disgrace!!
If the fans want Ted out and to take the club over, why not let it go into administration and buy it for a lot less money, they could have a very good future in the championship and not have to throw all this money into a defunct Super League dream!!'"
How can something be a fact -- yet still be probably/unlikely
Apart from the club is in debt - as are many others,your comments are not facts,just your opinion.
Why have you waited until now to pass comment and not done previously?
Or have you??????
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| Quote ="kinleycat"hmmm, champagne charlie!!!
i smell the work of a previous amber clad gremlin!!!
in answer to your well thought out musings (not) though,
1 all clubs are in debt, including yours.
2 we dont yet know, it may still be you.
3 cant see that being an issue, how do you come to your conclusion (please show all working out)
4 how do you know this to be true? i have had a letter sent to me today giving the reasons why it has gone to a "local" inquiry, and to be honest it doesnt look as bad as first thought, most issues should be addressed by the developer.
Wakefield can ask its fans for what it choses, a bit like buying a brick to make up for a cash shortfall on GH.
Last point i agree with, as long as the rfl are going to deal with us the same as crusaders, id deffo think it was the best way forward.'"
I agree that all clubs are in Debt to some degree but i am sick and tired of this bull about player image rights being the only reason you keep owing money to various people........its just not true, all the garbage about Wakefield being a test case for image rights ......what ROT!!!
Of course they can ask the fans for whatever they want.....but it does look very bad especially when the RFL see it, I also feel sorry for the fans being asked to come up with this massive amount of money just after Christmas..........its very poor, dont you agree????
Please note, i am absolutely not affiliated to any club (Except Leeds United) so whatever you think, you are wrong.
Just sick of seeing certain people on here spouting crap!!!
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"
Just sick of seeing certain people on here spouting crap!!!'"
yeah me too!
so do us a favour
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| Touché dear boy, touché!!!
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"I agree that all clubs are in Debt to some degree but i am sick and tired of this bull about player image rights being the only reason you keep owing money to various people........its just not true, all the garbage about Wakefield being a test case for image rights ......what ROT!!!
Of course they can ask the fans for whatever they want.....but it does look very bad especially when the RFL see it, I also feel sorry for the fans being asked to come up with this massive amount of money just after Christmas..........its very poor, dont you agree????
Please note, i am absolutely not affiliated to any club (Except Leeds United) so whatever you think, you are wrong.
Just sick of seeing certain people on here spouting crap!!!'"
So were does that leave your I'll thought out facts??
If you want to just come on here sounding off, don't bother yourself.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"So were does that leave your I'll thought out facts??
If you want to just come on here sounding off, don't bother yourself.'"
Well i guess you mean "ILL" not i'll, but what i have stated is based on facts from certain people i know and common sense........you need to wake up a smell the Coffee bud, but i guess you'll just sign another useless petition and join another GROUP!!
Clubs love people like you mate, they love to empty your pockets with promises and pipe dreams!!
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"I dont think you have a hope in hell of attracting the investment you need, £500,000 is massive and why would supporters chuck money away when 2 investors (with much more money) have just walked away??
I would doubt that even Leeds, Saints or Wigan would get anywhere near that sort of investment from fans if put in the same situation........and they have all got some actual fans!!
If the basis of Wakefields future was based on getting a pie in the sky decision on this FREE stadium then it tells you something about the state of Wakefield Trinity Wildcats as a viable entity!!
The whole development at Newmarket will never be built now, its the end of all that, you lot have to face the facts and to keep slagging off Wakefield council is outrageuos in the extreme when you consider they have bought belle vue for a good amount of tax payers money 3 times in the last 15-20 years and sold it back to you for a quid 3 times so that you could sell it again to raise more cash to waste...........and you still say they havent helped you!!!!'"
Alias Troll Alert, Alias Troll Alert!!!
Why will Newmarket not be built, enlighten us with your wisdom previous alias troll?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Alias Troll Alert, Alias Troll Alert!!!
Why will Newmarket not be built, enlighten us with your wisdom previous alias troll?'"
Looks like a fair assessment to me...
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"Well =#FF0000i guess you mean "ILL" not i'll, but what =#FF0000i have stated is based on facts from certain people =#FF0000i know and common sense........you need to wake up =#0000FFa smell the Coffee bud, but=#FF0000 i guess you'll just sign another useless petition and join another GROUP!!
Clubs love people like you mate, they love to empty your pockets with promises and pipe dreams!!'"
=#FF0000I guess you mean "I"
=#FF0000I guess you mean "I" again
=#FF0000I guess you mean "I" again
=#0000FFI guess you mean "and"
=#FF0000I guess you mean "I" again
The spelling and grammar correcting is a poor path to go down!
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| I can correct one myth stated on here - which was clarified at the meeting.
The issue of Image Rights is not resolved. The tax bill as paid by Sir Rodney is not for that element. All the various clubs liabilities on this matter are on hold pending the outcome of the Leeds case. Ours is one of the smallest amounts - and can be dealt with as and when, subject to the deal outlined coming off. If the case is won by Leeds - i.e. the clubs would owe only 15% of the full amount - then this will not be an issue to WTRLFC. If it isn't won, then it will be a large, but not insumountable bill - unlike some clubs, who's liabilities would be into 7 figures!
But hey, I'm sure our bubbly friend will still want to stick the boot in!
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| It does amaze me how people against the proposals can not spell ridiculous, thats three 'individual' posters now, who also possessed the same vitriol towards WT. How strange.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Alias Troll Alert, Alias Troll Alert!!!
Why will Newmarket not be built, enlighten us with your wisdom previous alias troll?'"
Its amazing, here comes TRB's sidekick with his stock answer to anyone who doesnt tow the party line, why is it that anybody who might come on here (especially following recent events in Wakefields history) and adds some truth and straight talking to a debate always be considered a Troll?? do you realise how stupid that makes you look?
Newmarket has no chance of being built, its far too big and sits on too much green belt, many people do not want another load of industrial units built which NO companies want or need, your jobs argument is garbage, companies are downsizing at present and are not wanting to move into any sy new and expensive buildings, wherever they are situated. Therfore they would only be utilised as Storage or warehousing which would not deliver the large amounts of jobs you keep bull s*itting about.
You also know that the proposed developoment is an all or nothing project so cannot be reduced as the Stadium funding model is based on the sale of the proposed amount of units.
Stop giving the Poor wakefield fans false hope IA, you and TRB were absolutely positive that you would get the planning approved, you were so sure and yet it did not happen.
These fans of Wakefield Trinity deserve much better!!!
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| rugbyball is back!.
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