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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"I don't think that's necessarily true, some respect what he did, but I've never read anyone say he was some kind of Messiah, in the same way supporters 'choose to venerate' say Korkidas.
Harbin was the only option at a time when the club was skint. He did a good job with the players he had, and without him, we may not even exist! From that 2001 squad, only Brooker, Westwood, Poching, Ellis and Price (from memory) are better than what we have now - maybe even Davis, but that's a choice between a player who was past it, and no scrum half at all!
No-one will say he was a better coach than Kear overall, but he could certainly motivate a bigger bunch of NFP/Championship players than the squad Kear has now.
Still, 2 wins in 13 is hardly a great thing to shout about.
Forget Harbin though, look at how badly history seems to treat McNally. We played some great rugby under him, did well in that playoff run under him and yet he is slagged off time after time, even more galling after how he was toadied up to when posting on the old official board. (Always helps when you're at the club to have family members posting on the board, but when you've gone, forget it!)
Was McNally's run of bad form, in hindsight, that bad compared to having Smith take the hotseat when he was woefully under-qualified for the job?'"
A bit of sense. I had the same arguments on here re McNally as I now have regarding Kear i.e I'm happy for them to be replaced but only by a superior/better option. God forbid we go back to the days of Tony Smith/Peter Roe. If Kear went I'm pretty sure we would just carry on with Broadbent taking over all first team duties and no replacement for Kear which would be cheap suicide. |
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Forget Harbin though, look at how badly history seems to treat McNally. We played some great rugby under him, did well in that playoff run under him and yet he is slagged off time after time, even more galling after how he was toadied up to when posting on the old official board. (Always helps when you're at the club to have family members posting on the board, but when you've gone, forget it!)
Was McNally's run of bad form, in hindsight, that bad compared to having Smith take the hotseat when he was woefully under-qualified for the job?'"
Selective memory there i think.
Mcnally was in charge of our best ever SL squad and earned himself coach of the year and well deserved too!
He then made a massive mistake by bringing over a fitness coach called adam trypass. The team went downhill fast and it was obvious to everyone that they were totally unfit. Mcnally also changed with the coach of the year title and refused to accept advice and stuck by trypass. He eventually lost the dressing room and it was time to go.
I think if Mcnally had not let the coach of the year title go to his head and recognised his massive mistake with trypass and quickly done something about it, he could still be coaching in SL. |
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Peter Roe never got a chance, was given the boot far too early.
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Peter Roe is even more outdated than JK!
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| Quote ="Captain Dave"There's no deal on the table for him at Wakefield for next season up to now.'"
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Still the case?'"
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As a gamble which didn't pay off, what makes Cooke worse than Ben 'off home' Jeffries?
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The fact he hasn't played the last two games despite being in the 19 would hopefully suggest he is off.
On a separate note, I am getting slightly worried that Salford have not announced Gleeson signing for them yet.
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gleeson had his best game of the season today..bye bye
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| Quote ="Fred Gee"Peter Roe never got a chance, was given the boot far too early.'"
Agree with you there. Peter Roe got the $h1t end of the stick at Wakefield. I remember him having to scratch round for players and putting young kids in for one game, kids who were nowhere near ready but it was all he was left with. |
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"Agree with you there. Peter Roe got the $h1t end of the stick at Wakefield. I remember him having to scratch round for players and putting young kids in for one game, kids who were nowhere near ready but it was all he was left with.'"
Peter came from a part-time background and struggled with the day-to-day of full time professionalism. Nothing against the guy, but he was the wrong man for the job.
It was Peter Fox's choice and he was also found wanting when it came to dealing with the modern game - particularly the idea of 'pandering' to players, which is part and parcel these days. |
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Well thats good news
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least he enjoyed mad monday today with the rest of the wakey lads
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| If he's finished mad Monday already then he is past it and can't stand the pace.
I assume you are talking about PC and not Peter Roe. |
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"least he enjoyed mad monday today with the rest of the wakey lads'"
Nice weather for them!
On Peter Fox, who thought a man who was behind the times in the early 90s could run things a decade later.
The forum is great at the minute - discussions on topics from 10 years ago. Kelly should never have got the boot… |
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In fact, that's it. i'm OFFICIALLY starting the "bring back Andy Kelly campaign".
All aboard for 2011 with General A Kelly!
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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"In fact, that's it. i'm OFFICIALLY starting the "bring back Andy Kelly campaign".
All aboard for 2011 with General A Kelly!'"
Andy Kelly/coach.
Neil Kelly/Assistant coach.
Richard Kelly/Water boy.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Andy Kelly/coach.
Neil Kelly/Assistant coach.
Richard Kelly/Water boy.
Are the Kelly's to be the new Richardsons?'"
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| I wasn't laughing at my own funny there,pressed the wrong buttons!  |
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| Quote ="JINJER"I wasn't laughing at my own funny there,pressed the wrong buttons!
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On Peter Fox, who thought a man who was behind the times in the early 90s could run things a decade later.
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Fox was good enough to take Northern from relegation certs to joint 2nd in comp within 2 years in the early 90s. Not bad for someone "behind the times".
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Fox was good enough to take Northern from relegation certs to joint 2nd in comp within 2 years [uin the early 90s[/u. Not bad for someone "behind the times".
He was a better coach than a lot of younger men back then.'"
Doh,he wasn't behind the times then,it's when he was still trying to coach his teams the 90's style in 2,000 that he was classed as behind the times!  |
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Fox was good enough to take Northern from relegation certs to joint 2nd in comp within 2 years in the early 90s. Not bad for someone "behind the times".
He was a better coach than a lot of younger men back then.'"
Now it's arguments 20 years old!
In fairness, the race for second was far more open then - only Wigan and Leeds fully pro and the Loiners were a joke then. Makes you misty eyed.
Wakefield made the top 8 in 1992, having recently been promoted. And with the disadvantage of being Wakefield.
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I seem to remember that Fox wasn't brought in as coach though. He was a higher position than that, and managing the processes rather than coaching the team.
So we may have been behind the times then but it wasn't just down to him.
Also, his tactics in the 70s and 80s were all about getting the biggest pack you could buy, a decent half back and and some backs that were not particularly great but were fast.
Seems to me like a lot of coaches still do that.
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