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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"With relegation from SL aren’t all contracts null and void.'"
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| Quote ="jools"Seb is likely to resign with hudds, he had said he would if his family were willing to stay in the uk. I suspect he has already signed on the dotted line as for instance Russell already has from that list.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Can’t really trust the club atm to make the right decisions regarding retentions/signings.'"
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| We just aren’t an appetising club at the min to attract the quality to take us to the next level. That’s what pee’s me off the most, when we’ve had quality seasons, we’ve never built off the back of them to add more quality to compliment our team. Losing Westerman this year for me has had a massive impact, as I feel he was the glue that masked our forwards issues. A team like Wakefield simply can’t lose the best 13 in the league (my opinion) and not feel any adverse effects without replacing him for someone of reasonable comparison, which we haven’t. I’m sure I read and listened to Carter say him and the board agreed that if a player became available that would not only add quality but was a quality individual too then there could be room for getting them in within budget. There will be players getting offered to us on the daily id imagine, but I guess it’s what Poching and Carter believes what player is right for us both as an individual and as a player.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I doubt that being the case as it will be written into a contract that in the event of relegation contracts are null and void or something along those lines.
The problem is competing with clubs with better finances, better facilities it's a fact of life, if it were that simple we'd all be at the top of the league, there's one or two on here give Carter a hard time, he does his job he's an accountant and part time miracle worker and works with the hand he's dealt with, we aren't unique, we don't have a monopoly on bad signings, some come off others don't that's how it is, if you can't accept it the best thing to do is walk away like some have, it's less stressful.'"
The problem is that players won't commit to signing for us as even if contracts become null and void (which I'm not sure is a required contract clause) then they are left trying to find another club at the last minute when those clubs have already completed their squads/filled their salary cap.
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| As usual, we will end up with out of favour players or "projects" with perhaps a few older players coming to the end of their careers.
However, the big difference for the Trinity of today, compared with those sided of 5/10/15 years ago is that we have some excellent home produced players and that production line is doing well.
It would be great to sign another Solomona but, right now, getting the ground sorted and of course, surviving in SL is the priority.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"As usual, we will end up with out of favour players or "projects" with perhaps a few older players coming to the end of their careers.
However, the big difference for the Trinity of today, compared with those sided of 5/10/15 years ago is that we have some excellent home produced players and that production line is doing well.
It would be great to sign another Solomona but, right now, getting the ground sorted and of course, surviving in SL is the priority.'"
This is the big difference. We have clearly invested in the academy and scholarship recent years and it is now starting to show dividends with the likes of Murphy, Bowes, Eseh, Shaw etc coming through. Then there’s the likes of Mearns who looks a prospect.
I really hope we keep on investing time and effort into the youth at trinity.
This won’t immediately bear fruit but over the next 2-5 years we could see some real quality homegrown players emerge. It’s just about adding the right quality players to that. I think once we get this stand built and other works done it will be a little easier to attract players of higher quality.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"This is the big difference. We have clearly invested in the academy and scholarship recent years and it is now starting to show dividends with the likes of Murphy, Bowes, Eseh, Shaw etc coming through. Then there’s the likes of Mearns who looks a prospect.
I really hope we keep on investing time and effort into the youth at trinity.
This won’t immediately bear fruit but over the next 2-5 years we could see some real quality homegrown players emerge. It’s just about adding the right quality players to that. I think once we get this stand built and other works done it will be a little easier to attract players of higher quality.'"
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| Players will always sign for us whether as a stepping stone or a change of scenery, the hard bit is bringing on board players that will enhance our squad and not just because they are available. I’m sure when some of our quality overseas players signed we weren’t breaking any pots and haven’t done apart from the odd season here and there for donkeys years now ,but we’ve still managed to get quality on board ,and obviously have also attracted the wrong type ,which for some reason stick in my memories more than the quality that have been through the club.Yes the big clubs get the pick of the crop but there are always those nuggets that get left behind and looking for a fresh start . Maybe it’s the best thing to have a big clear out ,clear the decks and start to build again ,because it’s plain for all to see that we are carrying more than our fair share of deadwood and has beens .Emotions can’t come into it about player departures as if the unthinkable happened they’ve all just leave anyway ,so me me it’s best for us to have those difficult conversations with players instead of them being in the driving seat .onwards and upwards it’s the only way .
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| Quote ="Fordy"The problem is that players won't commit to signing for us as even if contracts become null and void (which I'm not sure is a required contract clause) then they are left trying to find another club at the last minute when those clubs have already completed their squads/filled their salary cap.'"
I agree with what you say, however there are certain players always on the radar of the perceived bigger clubs who I'm sure will have contingency plans in place for such an event, example if true Lino and Tanginoa are in the sights of Wigan and Warrington, I can't believe they won't find room to accommodate the said players.
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| Quote ="jonh"Being realistic would like to see Ikahihifo, Livett, [u=#FF0000Dudson[/u, Ashworth and Akers at Trinity.
Think they would improve us in key areas.'"
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| The club fails to move forward in the transfer, the present crop of Recruitment's have been poor with one exception.
Players need to see a progression of quality recruitment and to suggest we need to keep hold of Tom and build round him never happened. In my view we have let Tom down and the same will go for the present crop of promising youngster's if the club do not get their finger out.
Just what's the point of having a good solid crop of youngsters to end up relegated.
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| We are a long way from being relegated at this moment in time ,and I’m sure work will be going in in the background to sort our lacklustre performances ,whether by loan players or the hair dryer treatment on the current crop . Poor recruiting by the people involved have let Johnstone down certainly not the fans .IMO the current lack of performances by the first team has only given the fringe players their chance to shine and cement a place, just looking at young Bowes for my mind he should get the staring line up every time ,aided and abetted by Kaye .plenty of opportunities going forwards for players young and old who want to play for wakefield without all the doom & gloom at present ,those that don’t need to be shown the door in no uncertain terms .
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| You can play inexperienced players in a team but to be successful they need to have a good squad around them. This is why it works at Wigan and St Helens who bring in academy players who do not look out of place.
We currently do not have this luxury because sadly many of the academy team are better than our older players. It’s ok to play maybe one or two but we are nowhere near good enough or strong enough to rely on them for every game. I think we can all agree the majority of our recruits this season have been no better than those we let go and let’s not forget there were more left than brought in.
We were once seen to be on the up which encouraged players to sign for us but sadly over the last few years we have just bounced along the bottom. The crowd numbers are stagnant and if we do survive who will sign for us to generate interest especially if we start to lose our out of contract players, especially the ones than can be considered box office.
If we are not careful we will sleep walk into relegation and having to start again but in a redeveloped stadium.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"You can play inexperienced players in a team but to be successful they need to have a good squad around them. This is why it works at Wigan and St Helens who bring in academy players who do not look out of place.
We currently do not have this luxury because sadly many of the academy team are better than our older players. It’s ok to play maybe one or two but we are nowhere near good enough or strong enough to rely on them for every game. I think we can all agree the majority of our recruits this season have been no better than those we let go and let’s not forget there were more left than brought in.
We were once seen to be on the up which encouraged players to sign for us but sadly over the last few years we have just bounced along the bottom. The crowd numbers are stagnant and if we do survive who will sign for us to generate interest especially if we start to lose our out of contract players, especially the ones than can be considered box office.
If we are not careful we will sleep walk into relegation and having to start again but in a redeveloped stadium.'"
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| Quote ="alegend"Agree if above happens we are in the brown stuff big time.'"
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"You can play inexperienced players in a team but to be successful they need to have a good squad around them. This is why it works at Wigan and St Helens who bring in academy players who do not look out of place.
We currently do not have this luxury because sadly many of the academy team are better than our older players. It’s ok to play maybe one or two but we are nowhere near good enough or strong enough to rely on them for every game. I think we can all agree the majority of our recruits this season have been no better than those we let go and let’s not forget there were more left than brought in.
We were once seen to be on the up which encouraged players to sign for us but sadly over the last few years we have just bounced along the bottom. The crowd numbers are stagnant and if we do survive who will sign for us to generate interest especially if we start to lose our out of contract players, especially the ones than can be considered box office.
If we are not careful we will sleep walk into relegation and having to start again but in a redeveloped stadium.'"
Agree the recruits have been well mediocre to be kind and god awful to be blunt , but I’m still of the opinion that this team although no world beaters is good enough to see us through this season and onto pastures new going forwards . Poaching needs to give em the rounds of the kitchen as to their performance and attitude of late . If some of our so called stars think by playing like they do will get the a gig at another club they are living on cloud cuckoo , even the top tear of the championship would turn their nose up at them .
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Rumours Warrington are bringing in 3 prop signings and Mike Cooper hasn’t had his contract renewed. He’d be a good signing possibly alongside Dudson.'"
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Agree the recruits have been well mediocre to be kind and god awful to be blunt , but I’m still of the opinion that this team although no world beaters is good enough to see us through this season and onto pastures new going forwards . Poaching needs to give em the rounds of the kitchen as to their performance and attitude of late . If some of our so called stars think by playing like they do will get the a gig at another club they are living on cloud cuckoo , even the top tear of the championship would turn their nose up at them .'"
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Totally agree.
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| Quote ="alegend"In fairness to W Poaching he as been left with a ageing team even most the imports are getting past there best .Think it is a case of hope W Poaching can keep them fit enough to get 2 or 3 wins'"
Most definitely alegend ,by hook or by crook we need to get this team over the winning line enough times to Secure our future .on a different subject but still very relevant,I’ve just watched Craig Bellamy and his coaching career ,and how he put systems in place to weed out the players not up to it before they get to sign ,and was saying the system is running at around 90% success rate . Basically the players go into the outback on a gruelling mental and physical set of challenges and are rated by independent trained staff ,those that get through get to sign for the club and those that don’t are shown the door . I reckon if we put this system in place at Belle vue nowadays we wouldn’t be able to raise a team . I know it’s a world apart and it isn’t feasible but it’s easy to see why the Storm and the top NRL teams are light years ahead of our holiday camp recruitment and training techniques. Tough love I’m afraid is the only way going forwards ,we simply don’t seem battle hardened and come of second best in most encounters and facets of our games .
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Most definitely alegend ,by hook or by crook we need to get this team over the winning line enough times to Secure our future .on a different subject but still very relevant,I’ve just watched Craig Bellamy and his coaching career ,and how he put systems in place to weed out the players not up to it before they get to sign ,and was saying the system is running at around 90% success rate . Basically the players go into the outback on a gruelling mental and physical set of challenges and are rated by independent trained staff ,those that get through get to sign for the club and those that don’t are shown the door . I reckon if we put this system in place at Belle vue nowadays we wouldn’t be able to raise a team . I know it’s a world apart and it isn’t feasible but it’s easy to see why the Storm and the top NRL teams are light years ahead of our holiday camp recruitment and training techniques. Tough love I’m afraid is the only way going forwards ,we simply don’t seem battle hardened and come of second best in most encounters and facets of our games .'"
It's not holiday camp recruitment, it's budget recruitment.
When you have unlimited funds and you are the top pick for every player, its easy to just weed people out.
We have limited funds and are the bottom pick.
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| Quote ="PopTart"It's not holiday camp recruitment, it's budget recruitment.
When you have unlimited funds and you are the top pick for every player, its easy to just weed people out.
We have limited funds and are the bottom pick.
You can do the outback test by all means but our pass mark will be much much lower.'"
The Storm spend as much as any other NRL team, within 95% of the cap, no less. I’ve seen the interview with Matty Johns face to face. Bellamy created a dynasty at the Storm and called them ‘soft’ when he took over. The Storm are well known for not signing many Origin or international players, but creating them. Obviously we are a million miles away and so are every other SL for that matter. But creating that culture and sustaining it, only Saints have managed to do something similar over here in SL since it’s inception.
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| Quote ="Boss Hog"Totally agree.
All teams need to have sufficient forward power, to allow their backs to perform.'"
Yet against Hudds we were mullered in the forwards, their post contact metres, their dummy half play, they were far superior, but if TJ doesn't put a foot in touch, we win?!
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| Quote ="PopTart"It's not holiday camp recruitment, it's budget recruitment.
When you have unlimited funds and you are the top pick for every player, its easy to just weed people out.
We have limited funds and are the bottom pick.
You can do the outback test by all means but our pass mark will be much much lower.'"
How did we finish 5th 2 seasons running signing players that basically no-one else wanted? Grix, Finn, England, Hurst, even BJB's stock had dropped by that time. Like I've said before, most of that 'team' hasn't been replaced adequately, I know it's not an exact science, and a bit of luck is involved, but that's the bottom line, out of about say 20 signings in the last 3-4 years, there's probably about 4 who you could call a success. Westerman, Tanginoa......yeah i'm struggling now to come up with anyone else?! Like I said on here the other day, I reckon in relative terms, we've shelved out more money on players that haven't delivered, than on those I've mentioned that no-one else wanted.
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