Good to hear, but they wouldn't have been the ones I'd have been thinking of.

TBF I don't think they are but you have to wonder how in a month they have become so woeful. If it's any consultation I have one of my feelings that we are about to turn the corner, what I can't be sure of is whether that will equate to wins.

The thing is, over how many games, seasons, do the vast majority keep saying, we are better than that, we are underperforming? Surely over lots of games, whether good or bad, it can't be a fluke, a flash in the pan??? The reason we don't 'perform' more often than not is, wait for it, a shock revelation.......most of them aren't that good?!!!!! Just like St. Helens have consistently performed because they are that good?! Most people are saying Fifita aside, the pack isn't up to it, they are probably Championship standard, so therefore if we end up winning 5 or 6 games every season, which seems to be the average, then that's as good as they are?! You can't have it both ways. Anthony England & Keegan Hurst were no world beaters, but they are way better than we have now, we have all been hoodwinked into thinking we have better players than we actually have, but the truth 'lies' in the performances and results generally since 2018.......

One word describes the main reason that we did not win last night.......Fages!!
Both of our half backs could not match the skill, ability to be all over the pitch at any given time and execution.
He dictated the play.

How long are we going to stand back at each ptb and let them run at us, then backtrack in the tackle and lose another 5m? We give all opposition 15m/tackle; over 5 tackles that's 75% the length of the pitch. No wonder we're always defending in our own 20.
At every tackle the crowd were demanding that they get on side, but I think it was more the fact that they were far quicker off the mark than we were.

On the rare occasions that we are attacking in the opposition 20m area we must try and come up with a few more adventurous tactics than simply trying to barge over the line. Apart from one man our forwards are far too lightweight for this.
Also last night, we were regressing far too often to Chester style "one man rugby". Three thousand fans could see this, but sadly those that matter can't.

The man in the middle didn't help either..

Don't agree with the last bit tbh, he did ok. We cut down the penalties but to be fair Hudds were more disciplined. They were constantly offside but he didn't ping us when we were, it's just that we were too lazy to even be offside when it might have helped us.

There was one moment in the second half when Hudds were PTB and there were more Trinity players behind the Hudds defensive line than were in front of it.

For me it’s the false hope. The two Warrington wins made it look like we could something special this year, and then we crashed out of the cup and wilted against Cas.

it is a bit disheartening to see every other team but us reach a final. Salford managed to do a GF and a CC on the bounce.

What rankles with that one is that they are possibly the only club in SL nearly as skint as us.

Perhaps you're right with the first bit, vasty. Certainly better than a few that we have had down here. He did seem a little naive at times though.

Taking a Thursday night game, live on Sky, v Huddersfield and their 150 - 200 fans, the attendance wasn't shocking but, it was like a bloody library, with zero atmosphere.

Add to that Levi at 9 those two ran the show all night out line speed was as normal predestination and this enabled Huddersfield to put pressure on us on the last tackle and constantly have to bring the ball away from deep rarely making halfway
Lino also went missing in action Lyne ran sideways all evening again and the outside backs were often the ones taking caries one to four
Max was again outstanding and without him Huddersfield would have put 30-40 points on us
I fear a loss in Toulouse will be a result that costs Trinity SL status let’s hope we can somehow win.

If the 5 unavailable players are Fifita. Lino, Lyne, Miller and Mimms - this is based on who didn't play v Catalan earlier in the season, when Walker & Bowes played in the halves.

I may be doing one of them a did service but, boy, we look like we may struggle to put a meaningful side on the park

Think someone posted that the French have changed their entry requirements, so they would be able to travel (if it is those you've named) and play in the match.

INOUT
Yet they have a better pack….

On paper I disagree.

INOUT Quote ="Willzay"On paper I disagree.'" Look at the NRL experience within their pack and backs and the clubs they’ve played for then look at Trinity’s… https://www.salfordreddevils.net/team/first-team/ .

INOUT Quote ="Willzay"On paper I disagree.'" Look at the NRL experience within their pack and backs and the clubs they’ve played for then look at Trinity’s… https://www.salfordreddevils.net/team/first-team/ .

Quote ="asmadasa"INOUTLook at the NRL experience within their pack and backs and the clubs they’ve played for then look at Trinity’s… https://www.salfordreddevils.net/team/first-team/ .'" That's not the point, the points how have they afforded it?

Quote ="asmadasa"INOUTLook at the NRL experience within their pack and backs and the clubs they’ve played for then look at Trinity’s… https://www.salfordreddevils.net/team/first-team/ .'" That's not the point, the points how have they afforded it?

Clearly Watson is a very good coach, and going back 2 or 3 years, players like Hastings, Bibby, Josh Jones, Dudson, Lussick went completely under the radar, no-one, and I mean no-one had them anywhere near getting to the G/F. 2017 & '18 was our chance at glory with similar players, Grix, BJB, Finn, England, Tupou, no-one else took a chance on those players, yet Chester got every ounce out of them every game, and it was a pleasure watching us play.....

CC was a good coach who made some excellent signings. He got it wrong the last few years but the club has been very open regarding the financial hole the game is in so he probably didn't have much to work with.

Yet somehow Salford far more than any other club seem able to spend way beyond their means. But then if you can't even be bothered to run an Academy then that partially explains it.

I have a real dislike for Salford these days, they offer the game absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.

Well look at all those ex Salford players I have mentioned, all now at bigger clubs, if transfer fees were involved maybe that explains it, look at the players for us I mentioned, probably none of them have been adequately replaced!

That's what I'm saying, they haven't been replaced because we have not got the cash.

I disagree with you in that Salford have. I don't think they have been smart with their finances, I think they are just living totally on the edge.

Every year I'm certain they will fold but they don't but it can't be long now.

That’s a different point than what was being raised… who knows the true finances of these clubs other than those that run them. Do they have any of their squad sat out injured for the season like Trinity?
I agree with others that there just isn’t enough SL standard players within its ageing pack.

Trinity have been found out and there will be a repeat of similar tactics used in the remaining games.

Just interested to see the changes you feel are required, not to judge or anything,more gor debate. I think most supporters are feeling pretty resigned now to another relegation fight and that if we stay up its because there are others who are worse than us. I hadhoped it would be different this year and up until the Salford second half it looked like it would. Since themn our form has fallen off the edge of a cliff.

Nooooo, Salford under Koukash tried to buy a team, Tim Smith, Chase etc, remember? They got nowhere, they got to 2 finals with the players I mentioned because of Watson mainly. A Few of our signings since 2019, Kopzcak, Brough, Atkins, Gigot....arguably bigger names then Finn, England, etc, did they cost more? I don't have the wage bill, but it's so easy to say yes we are unsuccessful because we have no money!!!

Warrington, last crowned league champions in 1955.....yes 1955, how much money do you think they have invested in trying to be the best?? A few names for you just in the last 25 -30 years......Bateman, Jonathan Davies, Allan Langer, Adrian Morley, Andrew Johns, Matt King, Chris Sandow, Greg Inglis, and so on and so on........the list is endless of successive failures.......

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/si ... -for-2023/ Gill Dudson off contract end of this season and maybe worth considering for next?

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/si ... -for-2023/ Gill Dudson off contract end of this season and maybe worth considering for next?

And don't pay full rent (if any at all) on their ground. Two nice pieces of cash available for 1st team wages.

And yet we only lost 24-22 to Catalans that day.