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| Quote ="homme vaste"I think Belly probably uses `excellent` very loosely. I don`t think Widnes have any players that i would mark up as excellent. Out of the players mentioned Inu has been shown up exactly for what he is over the past few years, he has the ability to be brilliant but is too lazy to show any sort of consistency. Hanbury is a good strike player with some pace behind him but is very inconsistent and defensively nothing to shout about.
For me the closest they have to excellent is Hep Cahill, consistently plays well for them and leads their pack.'"
I think I've read that Cahill is out tomorrow.
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| Quote ="JINJER"I think I've read that Cahill is out tomorrow.'"
Yep, he is. Big miss for them IMO.
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| So Vasty your chum at Widnes must agree that Hanbury, Inu, Dudson, Houston, Whitley and Cahill can be regarded as excellent players. I would add Mellor and Gilmore to that list and would describe Mellor as a superb player. Its a joy to watch him play and when you consider the journey he has been on : cut by Wigan, knee surgeries etc then you simply have to admire is determination and rejoice in his success. I would also say that Dean, Olbison, Burke and Marsh are all good SL players.
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| Correct Belly. Mellor is an extremely talented player and his pairing with Gilmore can cause lots of problems for teams.
Yes, I think Mellor is EXCELLENT regardless of what some winkers feel.
I think it will be a tight game again but of course I hope we put them to the sword.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"So Vasty your chum at Widnes must agree that Hanbury, Inu, Dudson, Houston, Whitley and Cahill can be regarded as excellent players. I would add Mellor and Gilmore to that list and would describe Mellor as a superb player. Its a joy to watch him play and when you consider the journey he has been on : cut by Wigan, knee surgeries etc then you simply have to admire is determination and rejoice in his success. I would also say that Dean, Olbison, Burke and Marsh are all good SL players.'"
No he doesn't and he'd laugh hystrically at that list.
Do you actually look at these players or just pick names.
As I said some were once good, Hanbury most notably and some may be one day but some of those simply are not.
Dean. Mellor and Olbison seriously, even for you! As for Huuston I think my mate would actually punch you for that one.
Why not just concentrate on our own players and stop slagging off players like Kirmond and stop trying to mythologise teams like Widnes for hevens sake. We are not a team of superstars so why pretend Widnes are!
We play Cas, Leeds and Saints soon, you can knock yourself out on doomsday scenarios then and your defeatism then but spare us the excellence of Widnes crud, nobody believes that not even people in Widnes.
Anyway you know I'm right and you luv it
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| Quote ="Manuel"Correct Belly. Mellor is an extremely talented player and his pairing with Gilmore can cause lots of problems for teams.
Yes, I think Mellor is EXCELLENT regardless of what some winkers feel.
I think it will be a tight game again but of course I hope we put them to the sword.'"
So people who don't rate Mellor are winkers. grow up.
So you think this is Mellor do you
Dictionary definition
1.extremely good; outstanding.
"the lorry was in excellent condition"
synonyms: very good, superb, outstanding, magnificent, of high quality, of the highest quality, of the highest standard, exceptional, marvellous, wonderful, sublime, perfect, eminent, pre-eminent, matchless, peerless, supreme, first-rate, first-class, superior, superlative,
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| 27292 posts, people may come to the conclusion you are self opinionated.
meaning
"having and expressing very strong feelings and beliefs, and believing that your own ideas are the only correct ones"
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| You can say what you like about Vasty, and many do, but he certainly does not opt, unlike so many people in the modern world, to reside in an echo chamber, where he only interacts with people who share his thoughts and opinions.
Maybe it's not that scientific, and he's just an argumentative old git?
Either way, I'd like to make him uncomfortable by agreeing that that list of 'excellent' Widnes players is mostly poppycock; I rate Inu (situationally, because he's lazy) and Hanbury - the rest are, like many of our squad, average SL players, in which case the points of difference are very much around coaching and how the team as a whole out-performs the sum of its parts.
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| Maybe it's not that scientific, and he's just an argumentative old git?
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| If you reserve the word excellent for players like Gilmore and Dudson then what word do we use for the likes of Cameron Smith and Billy Slater?
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| Quote ="homme vaste"If you reserve the word excellent for players like Gilmore and Dudson then what word do we use for the likes of Cameron Smith and Billy Slater?'"
World Class?
Some people man...
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| Quote ="vastman"So people who don't rate Mellor are winkers. grow up.
So you think this is Mellor do you
Dictionary definition
1.extremely good; outstanding.
"the lorry was in excellent condition"
synonyms: very good, superb, outstanding, magnificent, of high quality, of the highest quality, of the highest standard, exceptional, marvellous, wonderful, sublime, perfect, eminent, pre-eminent, matchless, peerless, supreme, first-rate, first-class, superior, superlative,
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Yeahhhh the boiz you tell em' Vasty,
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| Quote ="Trinity18"World Class?
Some people man...'"
Nice one Trinity18
Out of our squad i think Fifita and Johnstone are excellent.
Players like Ashurst and Arona who are far, far ahead of the likes of Dudson would not even been on that list, i have them down as good players.
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| On a positive though, surely if Belly has Dudson down as excellent then every player in our squad is excellent?
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| Quote ="homme vaste"On a positive though, surely if Belly has Dudson down as excellent then every player in our squad is excellent?
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Lets be honest, me and you ant been on this forum very long compared to the likes of Vastman but I can clearly tell Belly doesn't have a clue when it come to Rugby League.
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| Quote ="Trinity18"Lets be honest, me and you ant been on this forum very long compared to the likes of Vastman but I can clearly tell Belly doesn't have a clue when it come to Rugby League.'"
Think that is a little bit harsh if honest, he has an opinion like the rest of us on here...
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Think that is a little bit harsh if honest, he has an opinion like the rest of us on here...'"
Yeah well there's always the ignore button or a PM service in place?
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| Weather forecast doesn't look too good down there tomorrow!
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| BBC weather app showing heavy snow at game time tomorrow.
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| How these forecasts change so quick.
I said the forecast was for snow earlier in the week, but BBC wasn't showing it for Agbrigg then
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| Quote ="Trinity18"Lets be honest, me and you ant been on this forum very long compared to the likes of Vastman but I can clearly tell Belly doesn't have a clue when it come to Rugby League.'"
To be fair he's very knowledgeable about RL away from a keyboard, it's just when he gets his mouse in his hand he turns into a nkob.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"BBC weather app showing heavy snow at game time tomorrow.'"
Hope its ok to get down there, that'll be a start.
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| Quote ="Trinity18"World Class?
Some people man...'"
World class and excellent are the same thing surely.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"How these forecasts change so quick.
I said the forecast was for snow earlier in the week, but BBC wasn't showing it for Agbrigg then'"
Checked weather for Agbrigg at 11 o'clock last night and as you say no mention of snow.
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