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| Quote ="Prince Buster"A question to some of the posters on this subject.
The new east stand, the re developed western terrace, the new terracing to the North stand, are all great suggestions and if completed we would have a great stadium at Belle Vue.
My question is, who is going to pay for all this ? We no longer own BV, it is owned by a developer, who in their right mind would spend a penny on improving the property of some else.
Neither should you kid yourself and think the developer will contribute the signifcant amount required. Making money is the guys priority and by far the easiest way to get the most out of BV is to build houses on it, re developing a rugby ground doesn't even come close.'"
I take it the club & trust are looking into ways it could be financed
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| Just to add, the ground at Dewsbury (it's hardly in Dewsbury is it?!) is probably better located for 75% of Trinity's support. It's just as easy to get from Ossett, Horbury, Wrenthorpe, Alverthorpe, Outwood and Stanley to the rams stadium as it is Belle Vue. It's literally one junction up the mway and down the mad mile. Far more attractive for away fans just off the M1 and a better stadium to boot. I really wouldn't be fussed if we helped to expand the stadium and moved there permanently. The sign for "Welcome to Dewsbury is about 200 yards before the stadium ffs. Plenty of stadium parking and very easy to get the bus to as it is near to Ossett. Very walkable from Ossett bus station also.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"A question to some of the posters on this subject.
The new east stand, the re developed western terrace, the new terracing to the North stand, are all great suggestions and if completed we would have a great stadium at Belle Vue.
My question is, who is going to pay for all this ? We no longer own BV, it is owned by a developer, who in their right mind would spend a penny on improving the property of some else.
Neither should you kid yourself and think the developer will contribute the signifcant amount required. Making money is the guys priority and by far the easiest way to get the most out of BV is to build houses on it, re developing a rugby ground doesn't even come close.'"
A developer who has a sizeable plot with the car park and Super Bowl site. Enough space to build retail units, especially those that would attract customers on the way in and out of town. KFC. McDonalds. A small supermarket. The same developer who could front a redeveloped main stand with further retail units, all overlooking a car park. The same developer who might agree to incorporate a new main stand as part of the development. Maybe even chuck in some terracing on the western side, as part of the planning permission deal.
A redeveloped main stand is part of the money-making scheme, not dead money, with continued rent from Belle Vue. The north stand just needs a revamp, perhaps with new concrete. The western stand just needs new concrete terracing and a roof.
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"Just to add, the ground at Dewsbury (it's hardly in Dewsbury is it?!) is probably better located for 75% of Trinity's support. It's just as easy to get from Ossett, Horbury, Wrenthorpe, Alverthorpe, Outwood and Stanley to the rams stadium as it is Belle Vue. It's literally one junction up the mway and down the mad mile. Far more attractive for away fans just off the M1 and a better stadium to boot. I really wouldn't be fussed if we helped to expand the stadium and moved there permanently. The sign for "Welcome to Dewsbury is about 200 yards before the stadium ffs. Plenty of stadium parking and very easy to get the bus to as it is near to Ossett. Very walkable from Ossett bus station also.'"
Other than rent, I'm struggling to see what Dewsbury get from the deal, that's all. It would be like Wigan deciding to groundshare at Leigh. The locals might eventually prefer the Wigan experience to the Leigh one, as it involves more silverware. Leigh would be the losers.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"A developer who has a sizeable plot with the car park and Super Bowl site. Enough space to build retail units, especially those that would attract customers on the way in and out of town. KFC. McDonalds. A small supermarket. The same developer who could front a redeveloped main stand with further retail units, all overlooking a car park. The same developer who might agree to incorporate a new main stand as part of the development. Maybe even chuck in some terracing on the western side, as part of the planning permission deal.
A redeveloped main stand is part of the money-making scheme, not dead money, with continued rent from Belle Vue. The north stand just needs a revamp, perhaps with new concrete. The western stand just needs new concrete terracing and a roof.'"
It seems so simple, Manni, are you reading this?
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| I seem to recall student accommodation being mentioned in the 'BV redevelopment'.
Where would that go?
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| Quote ="PHe"I seem to recall student accommodation being mentioned in the 'BV redevelopment'.
Where would that go?'"
There's a big grey block at the St Catherine Street end ......
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"There's a big grey block at the St Catherine Street end ......'"
That's not on the BV and car park 'footprint' is it?
This was 'new' accommodation.
Or are you referring to the Benidorm flats?
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| Quote ="PHe"That's not on the BV and car park 'footprint' is it?
This was 'new' accommodation.
Or are you referring to the Benidorm flats?
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| A lot of football grounds have apartments/ office blocks in the corners of the stadium
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| Why not develop the East Stand at Belle Vue as suggested then use one of Vasty's temporary stands for the West side. I know that there are issues with services but there must be existing drains etc from the days when the Main Stand was there. Leave the North end and Benidorm flats until finance/time permits. Would still rather have a brand new Newmarket as I don't think amongst houses in Agbrigg is the best of locations but if Newmarket is dead...............
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| Just been reading this Vasty.
Firstly. Sorry to hear you have been unwell. I hope you are on the mend.
You have obviously done your homework on this.
I think this could definately be a goer, and on a personal note, living on the doorstep of Thornes Park just about, I would have no issues on making that journey whatsoever. For those who use public transport, I believe there is a bus from Wakefield that stops right outside the ground. I believe it is the 117.
Personally, I would prefer Dewsbury more of a short term fix, and for Belle Vue to have a full re fit.
If that were to happen, one of the complaints of our stadium is in the past is that the vantage points are too low, so I think the stands and terracing etc would need to be raised a little
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Just been reading this Vasty.
Firstly. Sorry to hear you have been unwell. I hope you are on the mend.
You have obviously done your homework on this.
I think this could definately be a goer, and on a personal note, living on the doorstep of Thornes Park just about, I would have no issues on making that journey whatsoever. For those who use public transport, I believe there is a bus from Wakefield that stops right outside the ground. I believe it is the 117.
Personally, I would prefer Dewsbury more of a short term fix, and for Belle Vue to have a full re fit.
If that were to happen, one of the complaints of our stadium is in the past is that the vantage points are too low, so I think the stands and terracing etc would need to be raised a little'"
Living on the doorsteps of thornes park that's where our community stadium should be perfect location and should have happened.
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| If a full refit is beyond budget of whomsoever is funding, has anyone any idea as to what parts of Belle Vue are serviceable/safe and for how long.
For example could the North stand and East stand still be used for a while whilst the west side of the ground is developed.
That would surely satisfy Superleague requirements,if allied to that, plans were in place for further staged development.
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| Are st still in communication with York court,when was the last meeting between them or has everything broke down completely
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| "However, the area around Belle Vue resembles nothing more than a building site and Carter says the Dewsbury move could be back on by Easter."
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/news/article/480/10725372/wakefield-wildcats-edge-towards-departure-from-belle-vue'"
I think that's called upping the anti - let's hope it works
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| Quote ="vastman"I think that's called upping the anti - let's hope it works
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I don't think he is bluffing ,I know MC and CB are really worried about a claim against the club and now he has stated the fact publicly , I am sure that is the main reason for leaving BV. You know the ground as well as anyone and I am sure you agree its only a matter of time before someone starts a claim for injury caused at a game. I am convinced this is our last season at BV.
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After all the publicity about Belle Vue being a dump where a serious injury could occur because it is in such a bad state of disrepair as stated by the chairman....which company really wants their company name linked to such a poor proposition...poorly timed I'd say by the club to push two conflicting messages to the media...it is a dump though.
https://wakefieldtrinity.com/like-win-s ... ng-rights/
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After all the publicity about Belle Vue being a dump where a serious injury could occur because it is in such a bad state of disrepair as stated by the chairman....which company really wants their company name linked to such a poor proposition...poorly timed I'd say by the club to push two conflicting messages to the media...it is a dump though.
https://wakefieldtrinity.com/like-win-s ... ng-rights/
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| Quote ="vastman"I think that's called upping the anti - let's hope it works
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After 5 years ?? of apparently not much and that's not saying anything against TRB and his group, Carter is right to lose patience.
If the state of our ground is embarrassing, then what do we call the delays caused by Yorkcourt and WMDC ?
I was vehemently against moving over there (Dewsbury) first time round but, not any more.
"Our" council have behaved disgracefully over the ground and as many have previously said, if they put their political will behind the Newmarket scheme, there would have been some concrete in the ground by now.
Sadly, despite 15,000 people signing the petition, it looks like the locals at Stanley have only gained "the big white box" and the community facilities just dont look like they will happen.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Vasty
I don't think he is bluffing ,I know MC and CB are really worried about a claim against the club and now he has stated the fact publicly , I am sure that is the main reason for leaving BV. You know the ground as well as anyone and I am sure you agree its only a matter of time before someone starts a claim for injury caused at a game. I am convinced this is our last season at BV.'"
Yes i know that's what raising the anti means or it does to me - I'm sure he means it wouldnt be very effective otherwise :
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| Personally a move to Dewsbury would be equally embarrassing for me and a once proud club. I get why he wants to move us out of BV. There is no reason why he should take on the liability of an ancient stadium, however, is this not what PI is for?
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Vasty
I don't think he is bluffing ,I know MC and CB are really worried about a claim against the club and now he has stated the fact publicly , I am sure that is the main reason for leaving BV. You know the ground as well as anyone and I am sure you agree its only a matter of time before someone starts a claim for injury caused at a game. I am convinced this is our last season at BV.'"
What kind of injury? I've not even so much as slipped at BV and I've been well oiled on a few occasions.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Personally a move to Dewsbury would be equally embarrassing for me and a once proud club. I get why he wants to move us out of BV. There is no reason why he should take on the liability of an ancient stadium, however, is this not what PI is for?'"
I assume you are referring to insurance.
You cannot insure against criminal negligence.
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