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| Quote ="vastman"So squad so far
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Kershaw - Wing
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Lyne - Centre
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Fifita - Prop
Tangata - Prop
Green - Prop
Arona (Prop/LF)
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Aydin - Prop
Greensmith - (Centre/SR)
Bailey - (HB/LF)
Croft - (Centre/Wing)
Bowes - Hooker
Train on players (No first-team experience)
Windrow - S/R
Eseh - Forward
O’Donovan - Forward
That a squad of 33 (maybe 34 soon), all but 3 with some first team.
SORRY IF I'VE MISSED ANYONE.
Get the extra prop, I don't see a problem. Not get the extra prop, still don't see much of a problem.
We used to get through longer seasons with fewer numbers and less quality than that and often did OK. If we are poor this season it's either the fault of the players/coaches or we've had yet another spectacular injury crisis. Let's stop making excuses and win something.'"
That squad as basically won around 8 games in about 40 v super league opposition apart from lino and a few that have left so we havent really strengthened other sl clubs have strengthened look at hr signings....where we may have got stronger is coaching department with last and poaching but will too many cooks spoil the broth...
Ill take 11th now lets get over this pandemic still in sl
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| Quote ="Luppylad"That squad as basically won around 8 games in about 40 v super league opposition apart from lino and a few that have left so we havent really strengthened other sl clubs have strengthened look at hr signings....where we may have got stronger is coaching department with last and poaching but will too many cooks spoil the broth...
Ill take 11th now lets get over this pandemic still in sl'"
It won eight games mainly because half those players were not available, it's well documented.
Now you're negative about the coaching set up, there really is no pleasing you, must be a joy round your gaff
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| Quote ="Luppylad"That squad as basically won around 8 games in about 40 v super league opposition apart from lino and a few that have left so we havent really strengthened other sl clubs have strengthened look at hr signings....where we may have got stronger is coaching department with last and poaching but will too many cooks spoil the broth...
Ill take 11th now lets get over this pandemic still in sl'"
So, Lino being added is considerable strengthening imho.
And unfortunately the reason we haven't won many is because that team have not been on the field.
So now we've made it to an off season it all starts again this time.
Comparing to last season is a waste of time.
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| Quote ="vastman"It won eight games mainly because half those players were not available, it's not rocket science and it's well documented.
Now you're negative about the coaching for christ sake, either you're taking the mick or you only know how to moan.
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Not been negative about coaching and you listed the full squad that SQUAD lost those games other than the players that have just left which some would argubly make us stronger ie koppy and bjb.
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You can argue that point all you like but this is the squad we have and at their best when fit they are capable of beating most if not all teams.
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| Quote ="PopTart"So, Lino being added is considerable strengthening imho.
And unfortunately the reason we haven't won many is because that team have not been on the field.
So now we've made it to an off season it all starts again this time.
Comparing to last season is a waste of time.'"
how ever you look at it vastman posted a full squad not a tean a squad and with a few exceptions that squad as lost alll those games and even though we had players out we still fielded 17 v 17 and adding 1 player who know one has seen play other than clips is not strengthening or you could say we have under strengthened with the players we have lost or would you rather have senior or kaye on wing instead of bjb. Look at a team like hull kr a team we prob on par with just finished above in last 2 seasons they have strengthened very well
And do you really think this is going to be any different in case you hadnt noticed covid still around
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| Quote ="PopTart"You can argue that point all you like but this is the squad we have and at their best when fit they are capable of beating most if not all teams.[/
Your right it is what we got and right now ill settle for 11th place so we dont get relegated and hopefully build once covid as done one
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| Quote ="Luppylad"Quote ="PopTart"So, Lino being added is considerable strengthening imho.
And unfortunately the reason we haven't won many is because that team have not been on the field.
So now we've made it to an off season it all starts again this time.
Comparing to last season is a waste of time.'"
how ever you look at it vastman posted a full squad not a tean a squad and with a few exceptions that squad as lost alll those games and even though we had players out we still fielded 17 v 17 and adding 1 player who know one has seen play other than clips is not strengthening or you could say we have under strengthened with the players we have lost or would you rather have senior or kaye on wing instead of bjb. Look at a team like hull kr a team we prob on par with just finished above in last 2 seasons they have strengthened very well
And do you really think this is going to be any different in case you hadnt noticed covid still around'"
You can’t have it both ways. You say Lino cannot be strengthening as nobody has seen him play. Yet the signing KR have made have strengthened them ... despite nobody seeing them play either. The simple fact is nobody will know till seasons underway.
Let’s be honest here the players we have lost have not weakened us in anything but depth.
Atkins
Kirmond
Brough
We’re all over the hill and hadn’t produced a good game in a long time. Truth be told we have better alternatives. No loss at all.
Koppy was marginally better but he didn’t stand up for me when we had all the injuries in the front row. Wasn’t overly impressed by him.
Gwaze no loss as barely played.
The only one I will give you as a loss is BJB.
As per the above we have lost some depth but only BJB in terms of quality not replaced by better or equal.
You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.
The club have also invested in not just small but significant ballroom strengthening with Poching, last and the new physio/nutritionist. That could make a huge difference.
Plus players like batch/crowther/Jowitt a year older and looking like breaking through to regular good standard SL players.
There’s a lot to be positive about imho.
We literally only need 1/2 props and recruitment isn’t over just yet.
Honestly I’m looking forward to the new season.
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You're just arguing with yourself now. I don't honestly think if we signed the entire Aussie test team you'd be happy.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"You can’t have it both ways. You say Lino cannot be strengthening as nobody has seen him play. Yet the signing KR have made have strengthened them ... despite nobody seeing them play either. The simple fact is nobody will know till seasons underway.
Let’s be honest here the players we have lost have not weakened us in anything but depth.
Atkins
Kirmond
Brough
We’re all over the hill and hadn’t produced a good game in a long time. Truth be told we have better alternatives. No loss at all.
Koppy was marginally better but he didn’t stand up for me when we had all the injuries in the front row. Wasn’t overly impressed by him.
Gwaze no loss as barely played.
The only one I will give you as a loss is BJB.
As per the above we have lost some depth but only BJB in terms of quality not replaced by better or equal.
You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.
The club have also invested in not just small but significant ballroom strengthening with Poching, last and the new physio/nutritionist. That could make a huge difference.
Plus players like batch/crowther/Jowitt a year older and looking like breaking through to regular good standard SL players.
There’s a lot to be positive about imho.
We literally only need 1/2 props and recruitment isn’t over just yet.
Honestly I’m looking forward to the new season.'"
Further to that, a number of youngsters got a leg up they probably wouldn't have otherwise. Some are far more known quantities than before and as such offer the coach far more options.
Croft and Walker, in particular, played themselves into serious contention for this year, that simply wouldn't have happened so soon under normal circumstances.
Ditto Aydin and Bailey who both got a look in and proved themselves capable if understandably a little green.
Last but not least Bowes who proved himself a real surprise package, still a bit off but the potential was there to see. Any other season he wouldn't have got near the first team. Chester was true to his word, with only Greensmith not given a run, which was unlucky.
I'm like you, I'm modestly optimistic that we may have been one of the teams to benefit from Covid damaged season and I realise that's not the best way to put it but you get the point.
Lets at least be pigging optimistic and at least back the lads before the seasons actually start's, if we can't even do them that courtesy, why should we expect them to return the compliment.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"You can’t have it both ways. You say Lino cannot be strengthening as nobody has seen him play. Yet the signing KR have made have strengthened them ... despite nobody seeing them play either. The simple fact is nobody will know till seasons underway.
Let’s be honest here the players we have lost have not weakened us in anything but depth.
Atkins
Kirmond
Brough
We’re all over the hill and hadn’t produced a good game in a long time. Truth be told we have better alternatives. No loss at all.
Koppy was marginally better but he didn’t stand up for me when we had all the injuries in the front row. Wasn’t overly impressed by him.
Gwaze no loss as barely played.
The only one I will give you as a loss is BJB.
As per the above we have lost some depth but only BJB in terms of quality not replaced by better or equal.
You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.
The club have also invested in not just small but significant ballroom strengthening with Poching, last and the new physio/nutritionist. That could make a huge difference.
Plus players like batch/crowther/Jowitt a year older and looking like breaking through to regular good standard SL players.
There’s a lot to be positive about imho.
We literally only need 1/2 props and recruitment isn’t over just yet.
Honestly I’m looking forward to the new season.'"
To be fair koppy was good better than both green and tangata and atkins think we both can be right has before lockdown he was argubly one of the better players in the team but to be fair he didnt play after that.
I hope your right and we have a great year and if where 10 th or 11th ill be happy
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| Quote ="vastman"So squad so far
Backs:
Jowitt - FB
A. Walker - FB
Johnstone - Wing
Kaye - Wing
Kershaw - Wing
Senior - Wing
Tupou - Centre
Lyne - Centre
Arundel - Centre/SR
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Lino - Scrum Half
Miller - Stand Off
Hampshire (SH/FB/Wing)
B. Walker (SO/LF)
Hookers
K. Wood - Hooker
J. Wood - Hooker
Back Row
Ashurst
Tanginoa (SR/PROP)
Westerman
Pitts
Crowther (SR/LF/Hooker)
Batchelor
Front Row
Fifita - Prop
Tangata - Prop
Green - Prop
Arona (Prop/LF)
?
Reserves (Based on them all having played at least one first-team game)
Aydin - Prop
Greensmith - (Centre/SR)
Bailey - (HB/LF)
Croft - (Centre/Wing)
Bowes - Hooker
Train on players (No first-team experience)
Windrow - S/R
Eseh - Forward
O’Donovan - Forward
That a squad of 33 (maybe 34 soon), all but 3 with some first team.
SORRY IF I'VE MISSED ANYONE.
Get the extra prop, I don't see a problem. Not get the extra prop, still don't see much of a problem.
We used to get through longer seasons with fewer numbers and less quality than that and often did OK. If we are poor this season it's either the fault of the players/coaches or we've had yet another spectacular injury crisis. Let's stop making excuses and win something.'"
Bailey is at Gateshead for the season
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I'd guess there is a recall if required, he's still a Trinity player. I assume it's the same with senior.
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Yes but he's still our player, he's only on loan. Wasn't Walker there last season but re-joined us at the end of the season.
I can't imagine we'd recall him as it kind of ruins the point of a season-long loan but I suppose we could. I also assume Walker re-joined because effectively Gateshead stopped playing.
Anyway, a handy player to have around, even at Newcastle.
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| Quote ="vastman"I'd guess there is a recall if required, he's still a Trinity player. I assume it's the same with senior.'"
Stated it was season long but there could be a recall
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Definitely year long but you’d have to assume there is some flexibility.
I don’t want him recalled tbh, it should be the making of him.
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There's definitely a recall option. I just hope he gets the same amount of game time now they're in the Championship as he would've in League 1. It's shaping up to be a competitive division, a year of playing at that level and he could really kick on.
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It’s ideal for Bailey. He’s one of those odd players who’s position isn’t yet set. He could be a SO or a LF or even something else. He has the core skills and enough size and athleticism to be whatever he wants to be. He should find that at Newcastle.
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| Quote ="vastman"It’s ideal for Bailey. He’s one of those odd players who’s position isn’t yet set. He could be a SO or a LF or even something else. He has the core skills and enough size and athleticism to be whatever he wants to be. He should find that at Newcastle.'"
Yeah I know what you mean, I think he'll start at 6 but can definitely see him as a ball playing 13. It'll do him more good than a year in the reserves would have.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"You can’t have it both ways. You say Lino cannot be strengthening as nobody has seen him play. Yet the signing KR have made have strengthened them ... despite nobody seeing them play either. The simple fact is nobody will know till seasons underway.
Let’s be honest here the players we have lost have not weakened us in anything but depth.
Atkins
Kirmond
Brough
We’re all over the hill and hadn’t produced a good game in a long time. Truth be told we have better alternatives. No loss at all.
Koppy was marginally better but he didn’t stand up for me when we had all the injuries in the front row. Wasn’t overly impressed by him.
Gwaze no loss as barely played.
The only one I will give you as a loss is BJB.
As per the above we have lost some depth but only BJB in terms of quality not replaced by better or equal.
You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.
The club have also invested in not just small but significant ballroom strengthening with Poching, last and the new physio/nutritionist. That could make a huge difference.
Plus players like batch/crowther/Jowitt a year older and looking like breaking through to regular good standard SL players.
There’s a lot to be positive about imho.
We literally only need 1/2 props and recruitment isn’t over just yet.
Honestly I’m looking forward to the new season.'"
Good post pal
The coaching situation is massive for us
I can’t recall a time when we’ve had half as much coaching experience
Poaching and last with Chester should be excellent
I see it the same way (although on hull kr Simms is an excellent signing for them)
We have replaced brough, which is excellent, lino could be a real find in a key position
We’ve lost bjb which isn’t good, he’s being such a consistent player for us ever since he came, I think Kaye is adequate but he won’t positively replaced BJB
Atkins n kirmond were here to cover in there final years and were squad players
The only area for concern is prop
We’ve lost koppy and naverette and batty
I am sure some one will turn up, we will certainly need it as soon as either Dave or Green are injured, the club have said they are looking so I am sure that will put it’s self right
I have a really good feeling about Brad walker and that he’ll have a real impact this season for us
I’d say we are in a similar position in terms of first team players but hopefully our half back pairing is finally sorted all be it our prop situation has gone backwards
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You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.
There forwards are very good sims vete and takairangi esp.but you knock there backs players like quinlen ryan hall and abdull ya know the guy who destroyed wakey more than once.crooks scored more tries than any of our players last season ..damm sorey last season dont count..oh and shaun kenny dowell add to these matt parcell and jezz litten from hooker.
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You say KR have strengthened. On paper they seem to have a much improved front row and forwards. However have you seen their backs and halfs? I don’t see much threat in that department.
There forwards are very good sims vete and takairangi esp.but you knock there backs players like quinlen ryan hall and abdull ya know the guy who destroyed wakey more than once.crooks scored more tries than any of our players last season ..damm sorey last season dont count..oh and shaun kenny dowell add to these matt parcell and jezz litten from hooker.'" '"
You talk as if they’re going to smash the Superleague opposition to bits. If your that impressed you should go support them then so you can watch all these amazing players.
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No im saying they have strengthened cos others seem to think they havent.if i go watch them then shall i get the 4 x membership trinity tv squadbuilder and lottery money back/stopped too ....just cos i praise another dont mezn i support then
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You say they have strengthened but as of now they are just names.
In theory in Fifita we have a player who is capable of being the best prop in SL if he can be bothered. Arona is hugely respected throughout SL. Yet for 18 month these players for different reasons have done nothing.
If these to come back on song you have two of the best forwards in SL and this applies to a lot of players at the club.
At least we know what we have, HKR have created a team from a catalogue, it might work it might not.
Worth noting that Simms is already in doubt due to a long term injury, see LE. Keep saying this but when players with big reputations are released from the NRL there is a reason. These players can no longer get a well paying gig in Oz, that’s why they are here, do you really think they have always wanted to sample the delights of Hull?
Your problem and you’re not alone is that the grass is always greener, you just see big names and bingo.
Look at Hurrell, Leeds fans can bull him up all they want but he’s nothing special. Every time we play them and these days we often win, he’s dominated by some skinny kid we picked up from Hull for nothing.
Unless you are in the Wally Lewis category then for me reputation means nothing. When you sign a player your just as likely to unearth a gem lurking in Wigan’s Academy than fresh from the NRL.
Personally I think HKR are taking a massive risk, if it weren’t for Smith track record I’d have them down for the wooden spoon. However you have to assume he knows his stuff so in theory they will do ok but theory is all it is.
Come back ten games in and then make a judgment, that’s when the real winners and losers start to emerge.
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