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| Quote ="cocker"Which players are you referring to ? because I don't think our attitude could have been much worse. We are not even making the most of the players we have..imo . Dagger on the bench , Franco now fit , Eseh giving way to 10/15 min man Proctor ? Our lives are hanging by a thread and not enough of those on the field last night seemed particularly concerned or good enough to do anything about it . Sounds like reserves have gone well today so lets hope we see the changes next Friday.'"
I absolutely agree about Dagger. Massive mistake.
Franco I'm a big fan but he's had an injury which kept him out for weeks. Hasn't played in reserves yet. That would have been a big risk and Lineham had improved form (which he threw away last night)
Proctor wouldn't play again for me. Complete waste of space.
But it's not correct to say they all had a bad attitude. There were some players busting a gut let down by players just not able to do the basics right.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I agree with what you say, apart from it having any relevance to building a side for next year.
How much worse would the attitude have been if the players had signed elsewhere.'"
You mean we have signed some of these players for next year If the Coach does not go we are in deep *****
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't understand your logic. Would you have preferred them not to sign anyone for next season?'"
I didn't say that, however you do seem to putting words into people's mouths PT.
What is the logic of buying championship standard players if you're wanting to stay up, it's four years of doing that, that's got us where we are now
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"I didn't say that, however you do seem to putting words into people's mouths PT.
What is the logic of buying championship standard players if you're wanting to stay up, it's four years of doing that, that's got us where we are now'"
You said you thought the board were being negative by completing contracts for 2024.
So what did you mean? All I said was I don't understand your logic.
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| What's hard to understand.
We're in the top flight, trying to survive, and it was quoted we are preparing a 2024 squad, for the championship, a level lower.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I thought that too. Cas looked shell shocked straight after our two quick tries. Missing both conversions didn't help but the soft kick that Lineham dropped gave them just the lift they needed.'"
At one point when we went into the lead, and just before Lineham's c*** up, Cas looked so jaded in their attack that for three consecutive tackles in their ten meter area, they appeared almost "voluntary" tackles, which used to be a penalty offence. Where they got that subsequent second wind from I don't know.
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| Just read a Leeds rhinos article and it mentions who there may be to pick up from Wakeys bones once relegated as targets for 2024.
Whitbread and Eseh were the two featured.
I hope more than anything we have tied Eseh down for next year whatever league we’re in. It would be gutting to lose a player who is likely going to be ready for regular SL soon after nurturing him.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Just read a Leeds rhinos article and it mentions who there may be to pick up from Wakeys bones once relegated as targets for 2024.
Whitbread and Eseh were the two featured.
I hope more than anything we have tied Eseh down for next year whatever league we’re in. It would be gutting to lose a player who is likely going to be ready for regular SL soon after nurturing him.'"
I feel the same way but I think if/when we’re relegated then Eseh will be on his way. Just a gut feeling.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"I feel the same way but I think if/when we’re relegated then Eseh will be on his way. Just a gut feeling.'"
I hope just for one year if the money is invested that players like Eseh will stay for a year to help win us the championship and a return to the top flight.
At the very least I think as he is under 23 and from our academy the mandatory fees will apply (like Shaw and Croft).
If there’s investment for next year and we do end up in the championship then I can’t say I won’t be looking forward to winning the majority of our games and likely reaching finals.
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| Quote ="Redscat"At one point when we went into the lead, and just before Lineham's c*** up, Cas looked so jaded in their attack that for three consecutive tackles in their ten meter area, they appeared almost "voluntary" tackles, which used to be a penalty offence. Where they got that subsequent second wind from I don't know.'"
They were probably buoyed by Lineham's "gift".
It was a shocker but, we couldnt defend the next set which, if we still have any vain hope of winning another game this season, we have to defend better than we did v Cas.
The "performance" on Friday still irks, our basic skills were bloody awful and we basically beat ourselves.
If that is the best that we can muster, we deserve to be relegated.
The writing was on the wall before the season began. The pre season mauling by FC was enough of an indicator and we waited until halfway through the season to try and change things.
Ultimately, too little, too late.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I hope just for one year if the money is invested that players like Eseh will stay for a year to help win us the championship and a return to the top flight.
At the very least I think as he is under 23 and from our academy the mandatory fees will apply (like Shaw and Croft).
If there’s investment for next year and we do end up in the championship then I can’t say I won’t be looking forward to winning the majority of our games and likely reaching finals.'"
I'd like to think if certain people do the right thing, and allow the takeover to happen, that we look at our younger players, and do a bit more in trying to retain them.
I get that they don't have the experience to demand a top end contract, but people like Lewis Murphy is a prime example as to where things arent always black and white. Made his debut early last season, built a reputation, and quickly established himself, and was first choice at the start of the year.
The question you have to ask, at any point has an offer to improve his current deal been offered, before the NRL became interested. Eseh is steadily following.
Do we even offer young players incentives, such as bonuses for every so many games played etc, other clubs do
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"I'd like to think if certain people do the right thing, and allow the takeover to happen, that we look at our younger players, and do a bit more in trying to retain them.
I get that they don't have the experience to demand a top end contract, but people like Lewis Murphy is a prime example as to where things arent always black and white. Made his debut early last season, built a reputation, and quickly established himself, and was first choice at the start of the year.
The question you have to ask, at any point has an offer to improve his current deal been offered, before the NRL became interested. Eseh is steadily following.
Do we even offer young players incentives, such as bonuses for every so many games played etc, other clubs do'"
Please qualify your opening line.
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"Please qualify your opening line.'"
Good luck with that.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Good luck with that.'"
Yes your right, another assumption with no substance.
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"Please qualify your opening line.'"
Yep. Lots of innuendo but no evidence to back such comments.
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"Please qualify your opening line.'"
To me, asking to meet the parents is a valid case in point, if that person is young, and is still a bit wet behind the ears in business, but he isn't.
Out of curiosity, Michael Carters wealth is, mainly through his Dad's business. Did Glover ask to meet his parents?
Furthermore, I believe the Ellis family have a box at the club, and have done for some time. Surely JM will have had plenty of opportunity before now to meet them.
To me, he doesn't want to let go, and this is a delaying tactic. Sadly for this club, to move forward and with the times, he needs to let go, and step aside.
Investors in sport, don't come around every day.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"To me, asking to meet the parents is a valid case in point, if that person is young, and is still a bit wet behind the ears in business, but he isn't.
Out of curiosity, Michael Carters wealth is, mainly through his Dad's business. Did Glover ask to meet his parents?
Furthermore, I believe the Ellis family have a box at the club, and have done for some time. Surely JM will have had plenty of opportunity before now to meet them.
To me, he doesn't want to let go, and this is a delaying tactic. Sadly for this club, to move forward and with the times, he needs to let go, and step aside.
Investors in sport, don't come around every day.'"
So, as has been explained, they didn't ask to meet the parents. They asked to meet the owners of the business that will be providing the money for the takeover.
The fact that none of the previous owners did due diligence is partly because it was always a fire sale before admin and partly why sometimes we've had owners who weren't capable and took us to a worse position.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"To me, asking to meet the parents is a valid case in point, if that person is young, and is still a bit wet behind the ears in business, but he isn't.
Out of curiosity, Michael Carters wealth is, mainly through his Dad's business. Did Glover ask to meet his parents?
Furthermore, I believe the Ellis family have a box at the club, and have done for some time. Surely JM will have had plenty of opportunity before now to meet them.
To me, he doesn't want to let go, and this is a delaying tactic. Sadly for this club, to move forward and with the times, he needs to let go, and step aside.
Investors in sport, don't come around every day.'"
So just an assumption then.
So out of curiosity, how does anyone know the hold up is not on the Ellis side???
I suppose all of us have "heard something" but most of us know better than to spread unsolicited rumour.
It wouldn't surprise me when all this is done and dusted, that some libellous action might be issued after personal attacks, and downright lies have been spread all over social media.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"To me, asking to meet the parents is a valid case in point, if that person is young, and is still a bit wet behind the ears in business, but he isn't.
Out of curiosity, Michael Carters wealth is, mainly through his Dad's business. Did Glover ask to meet his parents?
Furthermore, I believe the Ellis family have a box at the club, and have done for some time. Surely JM will have had plenty of opportunity before now to meet them.
=#FF0000To me, he doesn't want to let go, and this is a delaying tactic. Sadly for this club, to move forward and with the times, he needs to let go, and step aside.
Investors in sport, don't come around every day.'"
Well that's alright then if [iyou say so[/i.....
Despite the fact that JM has [iactually[/i gone [ion record[/i and [istated[/i that's not the case.
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"So just an assumption then.
So out of curiosity, how does anyone know the hold up is not on the Ellis side???
I suppose all of us have "heard something" but most of us know better than to spread unsolicited rumour.
It wouldn't surprise me when all this is done and dusted, that some libellous action might be issued after personal attacks, and downright lies have been spread all over social media.'"
Fair enough Lifelong fan, but that can also work two ways.
If it does all come out, from both sides, there are two sides to every story remember, and Ellis does lose his patience, and walk away, do you think the current Wakefield Trinity model can survive, bearing in mind the main investor at the moment is already ready to go?
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Well that's alright then if [iyou say so[/i.....
Despite the fact that JM has [iactually[/i gone [ion record[/i and [istated[/i that's not the case.'"
Its not the first time, or the second time our current board have denied something, for it to turn out to be true.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Its not the first time, or the second time our current board have denied something, for it to turn out to be true.'"
It's a business negotiation, it shouldn't be taking place in the public domain. Not now, not ever.
Fans are desperate for news, especially good news but, that changes nothing.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Fair enough Lifelong fan, but that can also work two ways.
If it does all come out, from both sides, there are two sides to every story remember, and Ellis does lose his patience, and walk away, do you think the current Wakefield Trinity model can survive, bearing in mind the main investor at the moment is already ready to go?'"
No, I don't think it is sustainable as it is, I just think the take over talks have to run there course and we will find out when they are concluded, without any rumours, indenous or just plan lies getting everyone frustated.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's a business negotiation, it shouldn't be taking place in the public domain. Not now, not ever.
Fans are desperate for news, especially good news but, that changes nothing.'"
Though this one was about the team for Friday .Any body who just wants to stir the brown stuff up ,when they have not got a clue what they are on about to go the stadium link . Was in hospitality Friday and was talking to a lot of people ,all I found out that the food was up to the usual nice standard We are talking about a new takeover so as far as I am concerned ,no news is good news . Does not matter what team our so called Coach put out on Friday will not be there ,just can not watch the dross we are playing .
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Its not the first time, or the second time our current board have denied something, for it to turn out to be true.'"
We are not discussing " first, second [ior[/i other times."
You have not answered the point that JM has gone on public record to state what he did and tbh, you cant really argue with his statement.
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