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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Because as I see it its not fully funded by the developer. The developer in return for planning consent for the whole development would put a significant sum into the Community Stadium. The Community Trust would be able to access funding from the Sports Council etc. and with the land placed into the Trust be able to borrow sufficient to be able to build the Stadium. Hence the comments that the Stadium is fully funded and requires no funding from the Council.
On the other hand Glasshoughton is nowhere near having the required funding in place. Wheldon Road cannot be sold because of the blast zone and it is not even zoned for housing yet although that will come. The land is available via Waystone and there is talk of Surfworld contributing to one stand but how definite this is I have no idea. It seems to me that all Castleford have is the ability to borrow money against the land that the Council would put forward which is no where near the £15m or so that will be required.
So we have a Community Stadium proposed for Newmarket that does not have a planning consent but has funding and we have a proposed stadium which will be owned by Castleford Tigers that has outline consent but insufficient funding. Being a private venture it cannot access the same funding that a Community Trust can. It will only work if the funding the developer was to put into Newmarket is chanelled into Glasshoughton.
So bit of a conundrum. Bring both together and you have the answer a Community Stadium at either Newmarket or Glasshoughton and there lies the problem. There is no way on this earth that there will be 2 Stadiums 6 miles appart - there will be one and possibly none.
Where should the Stadium be. Its too late to look at somewhere like Normanton so its Newmarket or Glasshoughton.
Glasshoughton is a great location but only for Castleford. If we groundshare there it will be the death of Wakefield Trinity. How can a business grow when it plays in an area with an already established Club.
Castleford fans wont accept Newmarket as they perceive it to be Wakefield despite it being equidistant from Castleford Town Centre and Wakefield City Centre. The planning issue can be overcome with the support of the Council but only if they give it their full support.
The Council will push for a groundshare and in my opinion that will be at Glasshoughton. Politicians generally do things that please their voters so its an easy political decision. Wakefield will oppose and continue to push Newmarket which without Council support will fail.
So what will be the end result ? I wish I knew but I certainly fear for the future of Wakefield Trinity and possibly Castleford. We could both end up in the NL and some would accept this rather than give in.
There needs to be some serious talking and the M word will undoubtably be mentioned which may be an option although unpalatable for some but it may be the only way to keep Super League in the Wakefield District.'"
This new goverment is slashing and burning, there will be no great hand outs fron the pubic purse for a stadium if they will not replace schools that are falling do bits around the kids ears!!
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| Quote ="TRB"Glasshoughton is no answer for Wakey - unless the question is 'can we think of a way to a slow painful death for the club'.'"
But if you/Wildcats are so sure of Newmarket, share at Glasshoughton for a couple of seasons and then move on to Newmarket.
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| Quote ="bigalf"But if you/Wildcats are so sure of Newmarket, share at Glasshoughton for a couple of seasons and then move on to Newmarket.'"
and then have the carpet rolled up, why don't you do the same at newmarket
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| Quote ="bigalf"But if you/Wildcats are so sure of Newmarket, share at Glasshoughton for a couple of seasons and then move on to Newmarket.'"
Same can be said for Cas.
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| Quote ="snowie"and then have the carpet rolled up, why don't you do the same at newmarket
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Because the Glasshoughton project is so far in front of Newmarket and time is fast running out FOR BOTH CLUBS!!!
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| Quote ="snowie"and then have the carpet rolled up, why don't you do the same at newmarket
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And my telly might end up with a broken screen when they show the first game at Glasshoughton, with Box and Jeffries in their executive seats, enjoying the hospitality.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Because the Glasshoughton project is so far in front of Newmarket and time is fast running out FOR BOTH CLUBS!!!'"
Don't worry yourself so much over us. It could make you ill - and we don't want that on our plate!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"And my telly might end up with a broken screen when they show the first game at Glasshoughton, with Box and Jeffries in their executive seats, enjoying the hospitality.'"
Because the Glasshoughton project is so far in front of Newmarket and time is fast running out FOR BOTH CLUBS!!!
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| Quote ="bigalf"Because the Glasshoughton project is so far in front of Newmarket and time is fast running out FOR BOTH CLUBS!!!'"
It is only in front if a solution to the funding issues can be found - but don't let that little matter dissuade you from the singular issue you enjoy focusing on!
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| Quote ="bigalf"This new goverment is slashing and burning, there will be no great hand outs fron the pubic purse for a stadium if they will not replace schools that are falling do bits around the kids ears!!'"
Sports Council I believe gets most of its funding from The Lottery.
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| Quote ="TRB"Don't worry yourself so much over us. It could make you ill - and we don't want that on our plate!'"
Just trying to be helpful, but I can see you have your hands full with your own fans.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Because the Glasshoughton project is so far in front of Newmarket and time is fast running out FOR BOTH CLUBS!!!'"
well I would like to wish you luck because you need the wildcats for it to happen, I have no desire to see cas suffer but I'm starting to get frustrated with box and shouldn't hold his actions against cas general
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| Quote ="bigalf"Just trying to be helpful, but I can see you have your hands full with your own fans.'"
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| I think all Wildcats fans may be getting a little paranoid about this man
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"No, just a biased public official.'"
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| I don't know how politics work, but if Box persists with this could Trinity go above his head to the Conservatives and inform them they have a rogue MP acting in his own best interest not that of the City of Wakefield.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"I don't know how politics work, but if Box persists with this could Trinity go above his head to the Conservatives and inform them they have a rogue MP acting in his own best interest not that of the City of Wakefield.'"
Grow Up!
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| The worst thing about all of this is that it pits fan against fan, whereas in reality we both want each other to survive provided that it isn't at the cost of our own club.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Grow Up!'"
Would you say the same if the leader of the local council was a wakey fan and trying to remove the parcel of land they agreed to let you use as collateral for lending purposes to put it into newmarket?
No you bloody wouldn't.
Its been said on here numerous times, he should not have any involvement at all in the process, his colours are well and truly nailed to the Cas mast
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Would you say the same if the leader of the local council was a wakey fan and trying to remove the parcel of land they agreed to let you use as collateral for lending purposes to put it into newmarket?
No you bloody wouldn't.
Its been said on here numerous times, he should not have any involvement at all in the process, his colours are well and truly nailed to the Cas mast'"
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| I really hope the club do not give in to this blatant attempt by Box to get what he wants and if there is anyway we can proceed without the loan of the land, I would love it (it would be great watching the git squirm trying to work out how he could legitmately let Cas use both parcels of land to complete funding)
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| Quote ="Fully"Pros of Glasshoughton
- It's in Cas.
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- Wakefield fans won't want to travel
Pros of Newmarket
- It's in Wakefield
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- Cas fans won't want to travel.
Easy - solution, stadium each, please.'"
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| I cant believe how long and drawn out the whole stadium issue is and im becoming fed up or worrying.
You see 10-12k stadiums going up all the country along with other sporting facilities - yeh I understand football has a big part in that but surely footy clubs in League 1 and 2 with nice little ground cant be making much more money that Super League clubs especially after shelling out on their player wages yet they seem to have no problem in stadium projects???
Also if the Box rumours are true and not just ppl on here flying rumours around then it discusts me! Every week that passes makes me think the stadium wont happen and 2 stadiums is just a pipe dream. If the funding is in place why is their continued set-backs??? Its in every parties interest this moves forward quickly and with SWAG etc working their ba!!s off I just cant understand how this has taken years and years???
Wakefield has already lost its professional rugby union club, has no pro footy team and now could be the beginning of the end for professional rugby league. Wakefield already has e leisure and sporting facilities that quite frankly is embarassing. If newmarket fails then its the final nail in the city's coffin. I look forward to walking through wakefield in a few years where everyone is larger than a tellytubby (some would say its already like this). The whole city needs this stadium not just WTW and the council should be breaking there bent backs to help get it built otherwise its goodbye WTW.
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| Quote ="viva wildcats"I cant believe how long and drawn out the whole stadium issue is and im becoming fed up or worrying.
You see 10-12k stadiums going up all the country along with other sporting facilities - yeh I understand football has a big part in that but surely footy clubs in League 1 and 2 with nice little ground cant be making much more money that Super League clubs especially after shelling out on their player wages yet they seem to have no problem in stadium projects???
Also if the Box rumours are true and not just ppl on here flying rumours around then it discusts me! Every week that passes makes me think the stadium wont happen and 2 stadiums is just a pipe dream. If the funding is in place why is their continued set-backs??? Its in every parties interest this moves forward quickly and with SWAG etc working their ba!!s off I just cant understand how this has taken years and years???
Wakefield has already lost its professional rugby union club, has no pro footy team and now could be the beginning of the end for professional rugby league. Wakefield already has e leisure and sporting facilities that quite frankly is embarassing. If newmarket fails then its the final nail in the city's coffin. I look forward to walking through wakefield in a few years where everyone is larger than a tellytubby (some would say its already like this). The whole city needs this stadium not just WTW and the council should be breaking there bent backs to help get it built otherwise its goodbye WTW.
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Dont forget this though
New swimming pool planned for Wakefield
Published Date: 26 April 2010
PLANS have been drawn up to build a new city centre swimming pool in Wakefield.
Wakefield Council has submitted a planning application for a pool and fitness centre on Sun Lane, the site of the city's former baths.
The project, which will cost around £10m, will feature a 25m pool, health and fitness suite, steam room and public cafe.
Lisa Dodd, the council's service director for sport and culture, said: "This is the next step towards seeing this key project realised.
"The application will now go through all the normal planning processes and we hope that once approved, initial work can begin later this year."
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| Quote ="Speedy"Dont forget this though
New swimming pool planned for Wakefield
Published Date: 26 April 2010
PLANS have been drawn up to build a new city centre swimming pool in Wakefield.
Wakefield Council has submitted a planning application for a pool and fitness centre on Sun Lane, the site of the city's former baths.
The project, which will cost around £10m, will feature a 25m pool, health and fitness suite, steam room and public cafe.
Lisa Dodd, the council's service director for sport and culture, said: "This is the next step towards seeing this key project realised.
"The application will now go through all the normal planning processes and we hope that once approved, initial work can begin later this year."'"
so we should be happy that we are the only City in england who has not had a pool for several years are getting something that everyone else in the country has already got
Thank you very much Mr Box you castleford t w a t.
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