While it is rather grating to put it politely seeing Box and Jeffries lording it up with champagne flute in hand announcing the new development that will house the new Cas ground I don't link the two stadium projects. I hope Cas get their new ground but like you say they are yet to break earth with a spade and will have to hope the developer is more honest than York Court

Just a thought but I don't think it has been mentioned on here before. Would it be feasible for some one representing Trinity to stand as an independent? It would be the perfect opportunity to confront Box on a public platform. If your case is so good you may have a chance of winning and then sitting in on the meetings.
Its a genuine question so if you think your case is so strong enough why not?

That's not a bad idea at all.

I take it you don't have too much experience of councils?

Unless said "Independent" joined a coalition that could overthrow the ruling party then it would be interesting, if not, it would be like Denny Solomona rocking-up in't Early Bath.

I don't and that's why I asked. Surely they wouldn't have to overthrow the ruling party just to have their voice heard in Wakefield and have an opportunity to confront Box.

I do try.

Your logic is flawed its 15000 supporters visiting the three grounds around 40+ times a year thats not even a day a week across the district the leusure centres are open every day of the week excepting public holidays many more individuals visit these centres than than us diehard parochial rugby supporters, if its grating you why nit do an FOI to the council and ask how many people or to use your logic what is the throughput on a yearly basis.

All decisions are made behind close doors in pre-council Labour Group meetings. The Labour Group then turn up for the various meetings, sign in for their attendance allowance, count how many "opposition" there are in attendance, leave enough members to maintain a majority and the rest go home. One more "opposition" will have no effect with the current majority.
Only chance is a Labour national government so people use the locals as a protest vote (as happened during the Blair/Brown period when Wakefield came within a seat of losing the Labour control). Don't think that will happen in my lifetime, or more importantly Corbyn's.

Look at it this way RWB, 15000 spectators per match = 600,000 per year which is an average of 11538 per week. if you averaged that figure out over the three WMDC provided facilities ie golf course, swimming baths & gymnasium that would be 3846 attending each venue per week or 549 per day. Are you try to tell me that that many people within Wakefield District area actually do visit each of these places each day. Is my logic still flawed??

Sorry but i'm going to butt in on this. I'm not sure what the point is you are trying to make with the stadiums but knowing someone who works at sun lane then they get more visitors than that a day there alone so i'd say your argument there is flawed. I know of quite a few people who happily use the various councils facilities regularly so i'd say theres plenty of demand for the them.

The council shouldn't though be shelling out for stadiums and 'community' facilities for private companies like rugby clubs if thats your point, especially with 2 in the district, and nobody had asked them to. All that is asked is a little more support in ensuring what was promised comes to fruition. It's there that they are falling down.

In all the years of visiting rugby grounds, at no point have I become physically fitter. Worse, in fact, as it usually involves pies, burgers and, if I'm not driving, beer.

Stay off the pies in Wigan Slugger.

Dont know if you had heard, but there was a stomach bug going round in Wigan last year

Generally with Wakey the stress has probably taken years off my life as well.

In that case I bow to your superior knowledge then Sacred, but I'm still a little skeptical on that. I'm pretty certain that the golfing facility at Lupset doesn't pull in that sort of numberser daily. The point I was trying to make is that if they (WMDC) can provide the facilities (and subsidies) for certain sectors of the sporting public, then why can't they not discriminate and extend that subsidy to other sectors. After all, the Newmarket project was to provide a COMMUNITY stadium for the citizens of Wakefield, which would include a new ground for the use of Wakefield Trinity.

At the risk of alienating all golfers on this forum, why not develop a new stadium on the municipal golf course site?

A wry observation - but I guess the fitness benefits were based on the provision of community sporting facilities included in the original plans; so community sports teams and groups could have somewhere to base themselves and train - notwithstanding the fat, pie-eating, beer-swilling RL fans, who will stand around for a couple of hours every other week.

At least they are standing up and the bar & toilets are a decent walk.
The alternative would be sat down in the local pub/club so, I think that we can still claim some benefits


(mind you, the stress would definitely go in the minus column)

Is it reasonable to assume that should we have to shift to Dewsbury (Easter? or have I misunderstood the inference?) that that would be an appropriate time to air things in public (which is surely long overdue)
I really don't understand how something like this can drag on for so long without some inquisitiveness from the local press. Do they have reporters nowadays ? Are they shrouded by the same cloak that seems to be preventing anyone else privy to all the facts, from going public?
Just another moment of frustration!

Regarding the press, it does seem noticeable the press reluctance to get involved with our dilemma, usually they'll print and be damned even if it upsets under the banner of " in the interests of the public". Print both sides of the story by all means and let the public decide who are "the bad ones" in all this.

Correct. Conspicuous by their absence.

If presume the press are kept in the dark regarding what is going on like the supporters. I guess they are not interested because what do they have to report on, a developer who currently is to reach the agreed threshold to build a stadium and a council who have nothing to enforce at this time.
All we know is that Belle Vue is an embarrassment and if nobody pays to redevelop then we will need to move to Dewsbury with no indication of what we do then.

Whilst I am very much pro Wakefield that is exactly how I read it. Let's face it guys we were given a bad deal. Ok the council can show more verbal support but if the square footage hasn't been built how can it be enforced?

I accept the white monstrosity should have been incorporated into the square footage and that is where the council have let us down. Beyond that, we've been screwed by an agreement which at the moment has no commercial viability and legally we can't push it since the terms of the agreement haven't been broken.

I know my view may not resonate with the sentiment of many on here but I'm just trying to see the wood for the trees.

Reading between the lines. Possibly another building is being planned for the site?, and now they also wish to operate outside the original agreement. The council clearly realise this will cause a S***storm if it happens, but have tied their own hands after the newcold fiasco.

The Newcold site should not have been allowed outside the S106 agreement and this could be challenged retrospectively in court. The Council could be found to have acted incompetently with some form of compensation to the Stadium Trust being the result. The court case might also open a big can of worms with WMDC being forced to admit that they didn't fulfil their duties for ulterior motives. Mr Box may be held accountable for his statement on live radio that WMDC had "taken legal advice", a statement that seems to be a total fabrication.

I have been told that the huge Amazon distribution centre being built in Leeds was originally earmarked for Newmarket but they were dissuaded from that site as the issue of the S106 would have been forced and neither Yorkcourt (or whatever they're called now) or the council want the issue exacerbating by another planning application.

It's obvious that both Yorkcourt and Box are playing the long game in the hopes that Wakefield Trinity will leave the City, get relegated or go bust leaving them free and clear to clean up.

It's obvious that both Yorkcourt and Box are playing the long game in the hopes that Wakefield Trinity will leave the City, get relegated or go bust leaving them free and clear to clean up.'"

I sincerely hope that something very positive for the future good of Wakefield Trinity RLFC can be gleaned and usefully apllied to the club's cause from the suggestions already submitted on this thread. THEY MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT!!!