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| Quote ="lampyboy"Kev its you thats miles. Off the mark.[u I have worked suppling security for years and can assure you without doubt racism out there at all levels.[/u'"
Can you expand on your comment please.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Dunkirk
I can only rell you my working experience. I assume you are of the opinion that because people chose to come to the uk racism does not exist. Thats a very strange view to hold .
I dont get what point you are trying to make.'"
If you believe racism is rife in the UK, is it in your opinion it’s just white people who are racist, or are there none white people whoe live in the U.K. also racist. There are situations where different coloured communities will not engage with each other. Do you insist it’s only white people who are racist.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"For 2hat reason'"
Then why state that it exists if you are not prepared to state how you know, unless you were complicit in racism through your job.
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| It now seems free speech is being further eroded. Although no reason was given in the statement, Nigel Farage has been taken of air with immediate effect at LBC. How long will it be to the night of long knives. Be careful of what you wish for.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"It now seems free speech is being further eroded. Although no reason was given in the statement, Nigel Farage has been taken of air with immediate effect at LBC. How long will it be to the night of long knives. Be careful of what you wish for.'"
Absolutely barmy, people with too much time on their hands I’m afraid.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"It now seems free speech is being further eroded. Although no reason was given in the statement, Nigel Farage has been taken of air with immediate effect at LBC. How long will it be to the night of long knives. Be careful of what you wish for.'"
Farage being taken off air, for any reason, is surely a plus, for everyone.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Farage being taken off air, for any reason, is surely a plus, for everyone.'"
Indeed. There’s a difference between stifling free speech, and stifling HATE speech.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Indeed. There’s a difference between stifling free speech, and stifling HATE speech.'"
It seems to me, that anyone with a different opinion that you have, is hateful or racist. Why can’t you accept, for every argument there’s always a counter argument. You have your say, I’ll have mine, that’s how it should be.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"It now seems free speech is being further eroded. Although no reason was given in the statement, Nigel Farage has been taken of air with immediate effect at LBC. How long will it be to the night of long knives. Be careful of what you wish for.'"
I've been wishing for that for five years!
Quote ="Fishermanscap"Finally, this 'slave' stuff is utter crap being peddled by people with an agenda. To follow the current logic, should we pull down the Pyramids? They were built by slaves! Of course not because the Liberal elite doesn't care about Egypt, they are far too busy loathing there own for now FREE nation.'"
Cool analogy, however the Pyramids weren't built by slaves.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"It seems to me, that anyone with a different opinion that you have, is hateful or racist. Why can’t you accept, for every argument there’s always a counter argument. You have your say, I’ll have mine, that’s how it should be.'"
But Farage IS a racist.
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| I have challenged racism on a number of occasions and reported it. Companies in general tend to brush it under the carpet but when its made official have to reluctantly investigate further.
Construction sites in my opinion have the biggest problem.
Maybe Dunkirk and Little wayne are brushers .
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| Careful with far left politics, anyone with any knowledge of 20th century history understands it's as equally as dangerous as far right ideology. Left vs right political bickering just makes the world elite even stronger. Remember "divide and conquer" is not a healthy society for us to live in. Both the media inciting violent imagery over the last few weeks, corporation censorship, commenting on british hisory and a police policy of lassez faire is encouraging this debate to weaken us as a nation. Together we are stronger.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"I have challenged racism on a number of occasions and reported it. Companies in general tend to brush it under the carpet but when its made official have to reluctantly investigate further.
Construction sites in my opinion have the biggest problem.
Maybe Dunkirk and Little wayne are brushers .'"
I cannot speak for Little Wayne, but I the grandson and son of 2 men who fought in WW1 and WW2. My grandad was wounded by Gas in 1917, survived that and was demobbed Feb 1919. My Dad was recalled to the colours Sept 1939, sent to France Christmas Day 1939, involved in the rearguard action with the RA anti tank reg of the Dunkirk retreat. Shot in the leg, saw horrific sights of German bombing and machine gunfire on civilians and troops by Stukas, spent days on the beach under artillery fire and dive bombers, getting into the small boat only to end up being blown back into the sea. He arrived back in England June 2nd just in time before the end of operation dynamo.
I’ve no idea what you mean by brushers, and I can’t be bothered to find out. What I do know is, I’m proud to be a descendant of such men. People such as those, ensured you and all your politically correct Lefties are able to endanger the freedom they and so many others in the day fought to preserve.
You have your opinions, I have mine, and like those gone before me, I’ll do all I can to voice my opinions.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I cannot speak for Little Wayne, but I the grandson and son of 2 men who fought in WW1 and WW2. My grandad was wounded by Gas in 1917, survived that and was demobbed Feb 1919. My Dad was recalled to the colours Sept 1939, sent to France Christmas Day 1939, involved in the rearguard action with the RA anti tank reg of the Dunkirk retreat. Shot in the leg, saw horrific sights of German bombing and machine gunfire on civilians and troops by Stukas, spent days on the beach under artillery fire and dive bombers, getting into the small boat only to end up being blown back into the sea. He arrived back in England June 2nd just in time before the end of operation dynamo.
I’ve no idea what you mean by brushers, and I can’t be bothered to find out. What I do know is, I’m proud to be a descendant of such men. People such as those, ensured you and all your politically correct Lefties are able to endanger the freedom they and so many others in the day fought to preserve.
You have your opinions, I have mine, and like those gone before me, I’ll do all I can to voice my opinions.'"
I have similar past relatives DS, sadly some buried at Somme and a grandfather who had his arm blown off in the Great War, he’d be spinning in his grave knowing what is happening to this once great nation.
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| The freedoms were won from the far right fascists were they not. We were also assisted by Russia who actually suffered more than any of the allies under the far right regime.
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| Firstly, you should be very proud of your previous generations Dunkirk and BLM. They are what made Britain a great country.
They were fighting tyranny and persecution and in WW2 especially an enemy who tried to eradicate millions of people just because of the colour of their skin or hair or where their ancestors were born.
Black Lives Matter is trying to point out similar issues.
The people swinging on statues and the cenotaph are not those people. To me (and of course I don't know for sure) they are criminals using a cause to create chaos and trouble for the sake of it. I hope they are treated severely in the courts for both the criminal damage and actually taking the focus off a really important protest.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The freedoms were won from the far right fascists were they not. We were also assisted by Russia who actually suffered more than any of the allies under the far right regime.'"
Now you are turning this into a numbers debate. The Jews might object to your comments about numbers of deaths. The Russians too, Stalin killed more of his people than the Germans did. Yes they were the far right then, now it’s the far left. The pendulum has swung the other way. Remember, if it looks like a duck etc.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I cannot speak for Little Wayne, but I the grandson and son of 2 men who fought in WW1 and WW2. My grandad was wounded by Gas in 1917, survived that and was demobbed Feb 1919. My Dad was recalled to the colours Sept 1939, sent to France Christmas Day 1939, involved in the rearguard action with the RA anti tank reg of the Dunkirk retreat. Shot in the leg, saw horrific sights of German bombing and machine gunfire on civilians and troops by Stukas, spent days on the beach under artillery fire and dive bombers, getting into the small boat only to end up being blown back into the sea. He arrived back in England June 2nd just in time before the end of operation dynamo.
I’ve no idea what you mean by brushers, and I can’t be bothered to find out. What I do know is, I’m proud to be a descendant of such men. People such as those, ensured you and all your politically correct Lefties are able to endanger the freedom they and so many others in the day fought to preserve.
You have your opinions, I have mine, and like those gone before me, I’ll do all I can to voice my opinions.'"
Apart from both being of similar age and watching Trin for a life time, it would seem we have another thing in common, my grandad served in the great war and after that came home and had an illustrious career(being a bit sarcastic here) with the coal board at the sharp end at Hartley bank and then Walton, me dad bless him was in the paratroopers in the second world war came back unscathed despite Hitlers best attempts only to get knocked down by a West Riding bus in Kirkgate, I was only 5 at the time so I've only ever had photos to remember him by, stick to your guns old boy and don't let these with an obvious agenda get you down.
Oh and I might just add fwiw, me mum had to bring me up on her own with a bit of help from me gran and grandad and I'm sure that somewhere in her heart she was grateful to Baden Powell and his team what helped me through life with firstly the cubs and then the scouts on Lawfield Lane, a lot of values learned there which undoubtedly helped through life, maybe with the same experience some on here wouldn't be as quick to criticise.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I cannot speak for Little Wayne, but I the grandson and son of 2 men who fought in WW1 and WW2. My grandad was wounded by Gas in 1917, survived that and was demobbed Feb 1919. My Dad was recalled to the colours Sept 1939, sent to France Christmas Day 1939, involved in the rearguard action with the RA anti tank reg of the Dunkirk retreat. Shot in the leg, saw horrific sights of German bombing and machine gunfire on civilians and troops by Stukas, spent days on the beach under artillery fire and dive bombers, getting into the small boat only to end up being blown back into the sea. He arrived back in England June 2nd just in time before the end of operation dynamo.
I’ve no idea what you mean by brushers, and I can’t be bothered to find out. What I do know is, I’m proud to be a descendant of such men. People such as those, ensured you and all your politically correct Lefties are able to endanger the freedom they and so many others in the day fought to preserve.
You have your opinions, I have mine, and like those gone before me, I’ll do all I can to voice my opinions.'"
The only “freedom” the “politically correct” lefties are endangering is the freedom to spread hate speech and discrimination - how is this a bad thing.
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| I don’t condone looting or violent protests - and those responsible are more than likely right wingers taking advantage than left wingers “going too far”.
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| Quote ="Willzay"I don’t condone looting or violent protests -[u and those responsible are more than likely right wingers taking advantage than left wingers “going too far”.[/u'"
Don't get involved in politics personally, they're all the same just a different coloured rosette, if that's your take on politics you'd do well to do the same
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| Quote ="Willzay"I don’t condone looting or violent protests - and those responsible are more than likely right wingers taking advantage than left wingers “going too far”.'"
As I’ve said to you, numerous times on this thread, you’re entitled to your opinions, as I am, but no matter how many times you say the same thing, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true. Mainstream news has proved how the truth can be manipulated. Some of the stuff they come out with, they must have the Joseph Goebbels handbook.
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| Quote ="Willzay"The only “freedom” the “politically correct” lefties are endangering is the freedom to spread hate speech and discrimination - how is this a bad thing.'"
You need to start studying world History before making comments like that. The media have brainwashed you to think one way. Open some books to help get a more balanced view. Otherwise you will start heading down a slippery slope of no return.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Thanks for the links to the "leaked" German reports.
As you will appreciate, it's going to take some time to translate and read the thing
You still dont wish to explain the excess deaths in the UK though ? and the spike that you mention surely is included in the 5 year average, therefore meaning that thing as are even worse than the figures being portrayed.
I'm ok with the conspiracy stuff and good on ya for sharing it with us and there is little argument that "lockdown" will indeed had severe consequences in various different directions.
The list of negative impact is long and far reaching and the full effects may not be known for many, many years.
Back to the fundamental question.
Why on earth would any government put themselves at risk of deselection as part of a "scam" ?
There are far clever people than you or I that will be top of any valid counter claim against the virus.'"
Sorry to butt in during the race debate but I need to respond to a couple of question put to me by Wrencat1873.
Why on earth would any government put themselves at risk of de selection as part of a "scam" ?
Well, the Tories are 5 years away from an election and so many people have short memories what they do now won't be worth a damn (austerity measures anyone?). Tory and Labour are both sides of the same coin anyway so who gives a hoot about de-selection.
Politicians go through what is known as the “revolving door” They flit from corporations to politics and back again.
Lets face it, WE HAVE THE BEST GOVERNMENT THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY CAN BUY.
Worry about de-selection? They never did and never will.
As for the rest of the world.
Those counties that you may see as independent are actually anything but. The vast majority are bankrupt, by this I mean they are up to their eyeballs in debt (including the US and UK) and wholly beholden to the BIG BANKS, the IMF, Corporations, chuck in the WHO, UN, NATO et. The Americans have 800 military bases around the world and are stationed in most countries of the world. Now I'm not saying the American military are behind this Scamdemic but you get the picture re the independence of all these countries. Take Greece, the Big banks said “jump” and the Greeks said “how high”
Every country Leader is following the Exact SAME SCRIPT. No Leader will willingly allow the Destruction of their Economy unless they all are OBEYING the Same Master they all serve.
I personalty find stranger that nearly all countries are working to the same script than NOT working to the script.
Why would they pull the plug on the economy you may ask.
Back in the 70s we had the lot, fishing, steelworks, the mines, Wakefield had Greens, Sutcliffe Molded Rubber, FSW, Bradley and Craven, Slazengers, Readicut, Empire Stores,...the list goes on. The we lost the high street, Woolworths, BHS, Maplins, Toys R us, most if not all the independent shoe and clothing stores. Pubs ?? Pubs galore have gone along with Libraries, post offices, bus routs, etc. I am old enough to remember when you could walk out of one job and straight into another.
The plug has already been pulled on the economy, what is happening now on the back of this Scamdemic is surely the final push from the so called elites. The big media, Billionaire Bill Gates, the banks, the corporations etc they all know a new economic order is needed due to the coming predicted collapse and all because they were allowed to carry on as they were before the 2008 crash. and us minnows are standing in their way. The just need an excuse to pull that plug, introduce vaccines with track and trace technology, link it to our smartphones and the 5G network and they can then live free from fear from the likes you and I.
Oh, and Bill Gates, just like he did with his flawed Windows operating system, will pick up billions more dollars with his equally flawed vaccines.
Crazy yes? That his operating system was full of viruses he never could protect against yet he is the man the world is turning to to produce a vaccine against real life viruses.
YOU COULD NOT MAKE IT UP.
Wrencat1873:
“There are far clever people than you or I that will be top of any valid counter claim against the virus.”
They won't “top” it at all. They appear to be “topping it” because the counter argument from some very clever people is being censored in the MSM plus Facebook, twitter, YouTube etc.
As for “clever”. The guys who produced the Atomic Bomb, Plastics, war in the Middle East and industrial pollution were very intelligent...but not very clever. .Or the other way round.
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