Nah not OTT at all, I accept there are exceptions to the rule but not many.

What gets me is not the local rivalry or the fact that apart from the 2000's they were more successful than us in the last 40 years. It's not even the place itself which has to rank along with Widnes and Middlesborough as the least picturesque places in the UK and I'm not pretending that Wakefield isn't anything but ordinary.

Nope for me it's the totally unjustified sense of self satisfaction they possess and IMHO that can only be the case because the majority of them are insular and wilfully ignorant. I think that's why Cas players don't travel well and why Wakefield is such a haven for them. I'm not suggesting the players are typical of the fans but when that's all you've known a move to Hudds or Leeds will be a huge shock.

Strange also because Featherstone which is basically just a street and should be worse if anything is generally far more enlightened though it's hardly Greenwich Village or Belgravia. As far as I'm concerned Cas folks self regard is all bluster until they gat a star above the badge, we have two and Fev have one.

I now await Castleford's first title, bound to happen now I've said all that

Nothing less impressive than seemingly clever people looking down their noses at those less so. Add to that the belief that Castleford is somehow unique within in the district is pathetic. My job takes me all over the district and I could probably introduce you to just as many people who've never left Lupset, let alone Wakefield (or anywhere else in the district for that matter), but I don't feel the need to make myself feel better by mocking them.
I grew out of the "my dump is better than your dump" a long time ago; I suggest others do the same.

Not OTT at all Vasty.....Nobody has ever moved to Cas.
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I'm guessing you're having a veiled pop at me there, so I'll speak for myself.
I'm not a seemingly clever person I take people on face value, I was commenting on two instances I know to be fact and was genuinely shocked by, you say you could "probably" introduce me to people who have never left Lupset, that would suggest you have never actually come across this insular attitude, you're just assuming you could. I actually class the guy as an old mate and wouldn't look down my nose at a friend. If you think never leaving Cas is an ok attitude, fair enough, I just think it's sad.

I'm not sure there is anything wrong with never leaving your village/town/City
Personally I love to travel and see new places but I like to come home too.

If we are talking about Cas, right now they have a lot going for them.
I like shopping at the rugby stall in the market. Parking is easier than Wakefield too.
I like Xscape. Great places to eat out and plenty of entertainment, that rivals Leeds and nothing comes near in Wakefield.....and it really should, we deserve much better.
If you want the opposite end of the extreme they have a pretty good nature reserve up past Lock Lane too.

If you go shopping in Wakefield at Trinity and drive back through Sandal via Newmillerdam you'll think Wakefield is a beautiful yet modern City. If you go to the Ridings and come back via Lupset you won't.

Perhaps I represent the opposite problem; I live in Wakefield, but spend the vast majority of my leisure time in Leeds - I shop there, eat out there, go to the theatre and gigs and shows there; I even drive there some Sunday mornings to eat brunch and read a book in one of Leeds' many independent hipster coffee shops.

There - I said it - I love Leeds, and despite being Wakey born and bred, it holds virtually no draw for me in terms of shopping and leisure; these days, it feels backward, depressed and distinctly un-metropolitan. I await the lynching...

Poptart, please stop derailing the thread and take your petty arguements to the VT, or you'll be taking an enforced break.
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It wasnt aimed specifically at you jinjer, more that kind of narrative. I read a lot of posts on all forums and you come across as a decent bloke so apologies if you took offence, it was not intended.
My use of the word 'probably' was incorrect reading it back. I know these lads & others from Eastmoor, Crigg & kettlethorpe; I meant I could probably introduce you should we ever meet & that they wouldn't mind. Apologies again it was vague to say the least!

I love the rugby rivalry that all clubs have, from a sporting perspective, I just find the whole 'poor person baiting' as a sport i.e. Jeremy Kyle etc that is so prevalent in society now really quite sad & shameful. It's a slippery slope and plays right into the hands of those with real power & wealth in this country to attack our neighbour because they act, look, think & aspire differently to ourselves.

I don't believe sporting rivalry was the cause for recent trouble between our respective fans, but this kind of mud slinging that I'm somehow better than someone less fortunate than myself. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. Anyway, I digress; it's been a long, thankless week!

For what it's worth I think you'll do better this year than last & CC has put a better side out - let's not fall out when we should be happy to be the two best clubs in West Yorkshire at the minute!

Absolutely no problem steady, the written word tends to come and slap us all in the face at times, let the rivalry commence.

Exactly! Petty squabbling and point scoring amongst residents of the same district won't make for positive changes for either place and only serves to leave those who can affect this alone to continue to do as they please. It's time they were held to account - let's look in the right direction!

cas don't bother me, I've never needed to go to cas town centre so can't can't comment on what that's like. Some of them seem obsessed by our City club and stadium even opposing the community stadium and rejoicing when it got called in, where as we just wished them luck. Glad I live in the City of Wakefield, proud I live in the City of Wakefield and proud to be a Wakefield Trinity supporter. Our council leader is a prick though and he's from cas.

Had a decent Aussie RL shirt stall in the indoor market a few years back at Cas.

Can't say I've ever shopped in Cas but I've worked most of my life with Cas lads who were Cas supporters,we've had our banter and I've wanted to punch them a few times,but at the end of the day we're still mates and still go out now and again.

Its still there mate, its called "Sporty Stuff" and always seems busy. A little further down the mall is the "Tigers Den" and their gear is even better.

Didn't realise that it was sports stuff, thought they were selling high viz clothing

Bought my first NRL shirt from the shop that was a few doors down from Barclays Bank on the corner.
Penrith Panthers, with Calphos on the front, still got it!

Xscape is cool if you want to go skiing and go to the Cinema and grab a meal but I'm not sure what you can get there (apart from the Ski Slope) that you can't in Wakefield. Unless you're talking about it it being all in one place and Leeds haven't even got anything like Xscape. Saying that Wakefield City isn't that big where you can't got down ings Road to the Cinema than either eat there or go to one of the restaurants in town . The sad thing about the Xcscape is that it's turned the rest of the town into a bit of a ghost town that could do with some regeneration.

I'm surprised you've risen to it - tbh I was really digging at the Cas forum brigade. I was just giving them a taste of there own

Was fun at first the Cas baiting, meanwhile back on track.

In a nutshell really, I think the season ticket salea can be summed up like this.

1. State of Ground
2. Recent poor seasons prior to 2016. Need back to back good seasons to see improvements on the terraces.
3. Pricing of package.
4. Not enough Saturday and Sunday games
5. Marketing of the club.
6. Quality of the beer

But apart from that

With instructions on how to use a stop /go board!

I don't know what number you sold last year but with the signings you've made I'd say that was disappointing

Why.

Total myth I'm afraid.

Not one player we have signed falls into the superstar category that actually makes more people buy SL tickets - that needs to be a Thurstone or a Wally Lewis.

Your theory is even stranger considering you are backing Chester to fail an us being relegation fodder on the VT. Ditto you say Allgood is crap, think you have perception issues.

What it will do is encourage folk to pay on the day and IF we are successful especially at home then it will build season on season - the right way in other words.

I recon we could have doubled that if we'd have gone down the Hudds root but thankfully our Chairman values the product and won't initiate a policy that failed before when we sold 4000 at a loss.

1,200 is where I'd expect to be, I wish it was a lot more but I understand that the signing of players like Williams and Huby though good from a hard core fans POV will hardly set the city alight.
Funny or daftest thing is that the one players who's signing might have excited a few people is Tom Johnstone, but as we already have him and we certainly don't wish to spoil him there isn't much we can do.

If we have an even better season than last year then I think the 2017 season will be a more reliable indicator.

Yes I may well have been picky, but really apart from number 1, I think a bit of thinking, perhaps outside of the box, changes could be made to help remedy the others. Until we either get positive news regardimg Newmarket or a proper renovation for Belle Vue, issue 1 wont get resolved.

Issues 2 and 4 could be resolved with a mini season ticket, to try to entice fans back, especially if we get off to a reasonanle start and also for those with other commitments who cant make all games.

Issue 3 could be eased by reviewing the pricing of the package, but not neccesarily to the realms of the Huddersfield prices. Maybe even to include a shirt.

Issue 4 could be resolved just by a bit of better advertising and also studying if certain areas of the city dont buy into the club. If any areas are identified, get flyers into homes shops etc and get tbe community department to go round to that local school.

Finally, regarding the beer, compare suppliers prices etc. I do know of a very passionate Wakefield supporter who is a member of CAMRA. If you coud get the beer right then potentially Cats bar could be operational 7 days a week.