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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"Six clubs since 2011, he's done well to squeeze them in!
Got to go with Vastman on this one, been at Saints and Salford and also at Hull, so not really 'a not very good player'.
You don't stay in SL unless you got a bit of something about you.
Maybe a victim of his versatility, that he can do a job when asked.
Unfortunate to get injured not long after he signed, give him a chance under BS?'"
Who would you have picked him before last season, Godinet, Sio or Moore?
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"Six clubs since 2011, he's done well to squeeze them in!
Got to go with Vastman on this one, been at Saints and Salford and also at Hull, so not really 'a not very good player'.
You don't stay in SL unless you got a bit of something about you.
Maybe a victim of his versatility, that he can do a job when asked.
Unfortunate to get injured not long after he signed, give him a chance under BS?'"
Who would you have picked him before last season, Godinet, Sio or Moore?'"
Howarth I believe was signed before Sio and Moore to give back up to McShane, as Godinet was struggling with an injury.
He got an injury, Sio came in and then Moore for McShane.
Moore got an injury also but Howath is still recovering from his injury.
Unfair to judge a player who is injured not long after he arrives and write him off.
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| Quote ="cheshirecat57"They 're on about Howarth .'"
Oh that makes more sense....... Doh!
I'll get my coat.
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"Howarth I believe was signed before Sio and Moore to give back up to McShane, as Godinet was struggling with an injury.
He got an injury, Sio came in and then Moore for McShane.
Moore got an injury also but Howath is still recovering from his injury.
Unfair to judge a player who is injured not long after he arrives and write him off.'"
I asked who YOU would have picked him before last season?
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I asked who YOU would have picked him before last season?'"
And that question is hypothetical, as he was injured.
So on that basis, the answer to your question, is all of them
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"And that question is hypothetical, as he was injured.
So on that basis, the answer to your question, is all of them'"
So we agree he was 4th choice hooker? 4th choice hooker in a team that finished bottom by a long way? Not really a ringing endorsement.
And Sio was signed before Howarth got injured.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"So we agree he was 4th choice hooker? 4th choice hooker in a team that finished bottom by a long way? Not really a ringing endorsement.
And Sio was signed before Howarth got injured.'"
Not what he said is it - we get it, he's your fourth choice, some of us can't make such a judgement call - maybe we are just not as smart as you.
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| Quote ="vastman"Not what he said is it - we get it, he's your fourth choice, some of us can't make such a judgement call - maybe we are just not as smart as you.'"
I don't think you are.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I don't think you are.'"
If you say so
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"So we agree he was 4th choice hooker? 4th choice hooker in a team that finished bottom by a long way? Not really a ringing endorsement.
And Sio was signed before Howarth got injured.'"
When did WE agree he was 4th choice hooker?
You may think he is but I'm willing to give a fit Howarth a chance to prove himself.
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"When did WE agree he was 4th choice hooker?
You may think he is but I'm willing to give a fit Howarth a chance to prove himself.'"
Well for my money Howarth gave his all the first time we had him, as a young kid playing with commitment. He's with us and in our hour of need he may well prove his worth.
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| Quote ="vastman"icon_lol.gif
If you say so'"
Why did you edit that? Read it back did you?!
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"When did WE agree he was 4th choice hooker?
You may think he is but I'm willing to give a fit Howarth a chance to prove himself.'"
And I admire you for that. But even a fully fit Stuart Howarth isn't good enough for Super League.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"And I admire you for that. But even a fully fit Stuart Howarth isn't good enough for Super League.'"
Looks like I'm going to have to bow to your superior player knowledge.
And maybe take this debate back up when the season starts.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"Well for my money Howarth gave his all the first time we had him, as a young kid playing with commitment. He's with us and in our hour of need he may well prove his worth.'"
This ^^
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| Based on performances up until the MPG game he could have potentially been in front of Moore.
I would have preferred a deal just until the end of the season, but we had to do what we had to do. Sio/Moore are not going to be fit all season, so as a potential 3rd choice hooker and loose forward cover, we have had a lot worse.
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| Hooks are not the must they used to be. From the point of view of the scrum almost any player from other positions can take up the role and quite often do. At the play the ball a well organised hooker should be able to spot weaknesses and take advantage of it.
Time will only tell if Howarth can perform the role to B S liking.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Why did you edit that? Read it back did you?!'"
I did and I decided I was being a bit cruel.
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| Quote ="pocket 4's"I think we also need to cover goalkicking options - Hall was probably our main kicker at the start of the year but was erratic after a good start (like the rest of his form) and the other options are Arundel, Miller and Finn. Not sure any of these are considered to be A+ goalkickers though. Its a bit of a weakness
Liking the recent signings though.'"
I think you'll find that Finn broke the world record whilst at Fev for most consecutive conversions - not bad for a player who you don't rate as a kicker
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| Quote ="Fordy"I think you'll find that Finn broke the world record whilst at Fev for most consecutive conversions - not bad for a player who you don't rate as a kicker
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| Quote ="PopTart"I thought Howarth was OK at 9 to be honest.
I don't like Sio at 13. It's ok as cover but our pack strength changed when we played Molloy and Simon in the back row and in particular when we played Simon at 13. Size matters to us and we have an abundance of big back rowers now. No point putting a smaller guy out of position in that spot.
As was pointed out Kirmond and Tupou run opposite sides of the field so will work well together. Molloy, Simon, Arona and maybe Annakin would all fit at 13 before Sio.'"
Possibly NRL Ex Cronulla Sharks player Arona will play at 13 from what's been said about him with Simon reverting to impact prop off the bench?
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| Bjb
Johnstone,Gibson,hall,tupou
Miller,Finn
Scruton,sio,Anderson
Tupou,Kirmond
Arona
Moore,England,Simon,Ashurst
My choice and looks decent to me
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| I'm 50-50 on Hall. I've said I'd like him in centre too but I'm thinking I'd start with Tupou in centre a let Hall prove his form.
I think Aruna can play 10 as well so maybe keep Simon at 13. I've liked him there this season.
Looks a good 17 though either way.
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| Quote ="vastman"I did and I decided I was being a bit cruel.'"
Really? Really? We know why you changed it. Now go and play while the misters talk about Rugby.
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| Quote ="Deeencee"Bjb
Johnstone,Gibson,hall,tupou
Miller,Finn
Scruton,sio,Anderson
Tupou,Kirmond
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Moore,England,Simon,Ashurst
My choice and looks decent to me'"
Exactly mine too. Or at least it will be when Moore is confirmed
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