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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"No, we have offered the sale of the lease, they paid cash for it.
That's a sale.'"
Did you offer the sale of the lease to anyone else?
If you did, was it a Bank or other lending body?
Lende =#FF0000R o =#FF0000F Last resort!!
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Admin, were we in admin? Where have you seen that disclosed that we were in admin or going to go into admin? Can you find me that info?
But buying something is different from loaning something. Jee whizz'"
you make me laugh no your not in admin but rumours was rife for years that the club was becoming unstable, why would you sell your prize processions the Burgess's
ok lets change it to handout
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"And that lends to preferential treatment how exactly?'"
You lot are thick skinned!How many other SL clubs have the RFL bought their grounds off?No,didn't think so.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Did you offer the sale of the lease to anyone else?
If you did, was it a Bank or other lending body?
Lende=#FF0000R o=#FF0000F Last resort!!'"
I don't think so and why should we?
We achieved the best deal for us, and that was to sell it to the RFL, Who actually wanted to buy it, as seen by their recent purchase.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Yes, it's a sale and leaseback, which is a..wait for it....a sale and leaseback.
A loan is a loan, not a sale and leaseback.
Deary me today.
Call it a loan if you wan't At no point or time has any of the participating parties mentioned a loan, that's only being made up by =#FF0000fans that seem angry and bitter towards the RFL and Bradford Bulls.
[i[size=85And if you listen carefully, it sounds just like a golf[/size[/i'"
I'm not at all bitter to the Bradford Bulls or there fans but I am bitter to the RFL in the way they are conducting them selves
they are making a mockery of our sport and you are just trying to justify it
how embarrassing for you
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| Quote ="snowie"icon_lol.gif you make me laugh no your not in admin but rumours was rife for years that the club was becoming unstable, why would you sell your prize processions the Burgess's
ok lets change it to handout
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So were you just making that up then?
Perhaps the club were unstable, and they did have to sell the Burgess, but administration(as you claimed only a few posts back), was never actually mentioned.
So, let me ask you again, did you just make that up to try and validate your statements?
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Please tell me, how?'"
I actually give up. If you aren't prepared to see whats in front of you I'm not going to waste my time explaining.
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| Quote ="JINJER"You lot are thick skinned!How many other SL clubs have the RFL bought their grounds off?No,didn't think so.
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None I don't think.
How many other SL clubs have the right or tried to sell them their grounds or leases to their grounds?
The RFL don't have a commitment to keep any club up and running, however, they do have a right to purchase something that they deem valuable to them, as would appear to be the case in the recent purchase of the Odsal lease. It seems like the money that the RFL have paid for the Odsal lease with will keep us up and running for a bit. Like I said, a business deal, nothing more, nothing less.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"So were you just making that up then?
=#FF0000Perhaps the club were unstable, and they did have to sell the Burgess, but administration(as you claimed only a few posts back), was never actually mentioned.
So, let me ask you again, did you just make that up to try and validate your statements?'"
ta enough said
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| FWIW I'm not angry at you, not angry at the Bradford fans, the club. In fact I'm not even angry some are trying to defend this as an act of favouritism, it's the natural reaction to criticism.
What is the point in us complaining anymore? Not just us as in Wakefield fans, but fans across the Sport, will we ever get anywhere? Should we just be resigned to the fact that the sport will be run in anyway the RFL see fit ? Well done to Bradford, your Super League status is safe as houses for the foreseeable future and beyond, you no longer have to worry, I wish (and other clubs also) I was in the same position.
If we do things the hard way it will be much more satisfying when we return to glory, when we lift a trophy at Wembley or Old Trafford we can all look back on incidents like this, the Wigan Salary Cap, the Crusaders bungs and the countless other obvious acts of unfairness and corruption, and be proud. Many clubs may look down their noses at us now and laugh at comments like this, but it won't be this way forever.
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| Quote ="TFC"I actually give up. If you aren't prepared to see whats in front of you I'm not going to waste my time explaining.'"
I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?
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| Quote ="snowie"icon_biggrin.gif ta enough said
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Still waiting on this claim by you of BBRLFC going into admin to be true or even potentially true?
How long do you think it will be before you come back with something to validate your claim?
Perhaps a statment by Bulls or HMRC?, No?
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
=#FF0000Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?'"
not very bright are we
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?'"
I see a poorly run club whos just managed to get the last drink in the bar, you guys have been on the brink for years but you been bailed out by the RFL (however you dress it up) well done i say cos we would have done the same.
Well done again.
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| Quote ="snowie"icon_lol.gif not very bright are we
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?'"
Bradford. Have. A. Franchise. For. Life. Because. The. RFL. Own. Odsal.
In the simplest terms, to think otherwise would seem extremely naive.
From the Virtual Terrace
Quote ="Deano G"Absolutely spot on.
If people are saying that the governing body of what we would like to think is an important sport in this country can buy a stadium leased by one its leading clubs without disclosing the details of that deal and expect to avoid criticism and suspicion then that is just ridiculous!
How can we as fans have any confidence in the integrity of the competition when important things like this are kept secret?
The fact that the RFL appear to think their best course of action is to keep things secret speaks volumes. Failing to disclose the deal at best looks like contempt for the fans and at worst looks like a cover up. When you couple this with a failure to explain how the RFL will manage the conflict of interests going forward, it just looks really bad. Hopefully this is just amateurish errors rather than anything more sinister, but what a mess they have got themselves in on this issue.'"
This is from a much more neutral and considered view than my own, I think it sums up quite a few key emotions of the Rugby League family. Albeit not as intense as my own.
No matter how you dress this up, the RFL have got your ass covered, and as no such treatment was exercised for various other clubs, it's quite clear that you ARE getting preferential treatment, I'm sorry mate but you can come at any angle you like on this subject but I doubt you will convert anyone who has their mind made up. Like many fans of Hull FC and Bradford have already said and even used as their own justification 'We are big clubs'. At least they are being honest, and probably, more to the point, they are correct.
If you want to continue to trying to convince yourself and us Wakey fans, that this is a harmless 'Business Venture' (A business venture which has seen the RFL spend a reported SEVEN figure sum, and the likelihood of them making meaningful, or any, profit seems slender to put it nicely) then like I said earlier you are deluded.
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| Quote ="TFC"Bradford. Have. A. Franchise. For. Life. Because. The. RFL. Own. Odsal.
In the simplest terms, to think otherwise would seem extremely naive.
From the Virtual Terrace
This is from a much more neutral and considered view than my own, I think it sums up quite a few key emotions of the Rugby League family. Albeit not as intense as my own.
No matter how you dress this up, the RFL have got your ass covered, and as no such treatment was exercised for various other clubs, it's quite clear that you ARE getting preferential treatment, I'm sorry mate but you can come at any angle you like on this subject but I doubt you will convert anyone who has their mind made up. Like many fans of Hull FC and Bradford have already said and even used as their own justification 'We are big clubs'. At least they are being honest, and probably, more to the point, they are correct.
If you want to continue to trying to convince yourself and us Wakey fans, that this is a harmless 'Business Venture' (A business venture which has seen the RFL spend a reported SEVEN figure sum, and the likelihood of them making meaningful, or any, profit seems slender to put it nicely) then like I said earlier you are deluded.'"
Well they also own other grounds, do the clubs that operate from those stadiums have a franchise for life? No they don't, if this was purely the case then they would. I'm not dressing anything up, it's there in black and white, as you have done so already, you'll make your own judgement up on it, more than to be likely clouded by anger, envy and sorrow though so it's understandable why people seem quite so bitter.
I don't need to convince myself of anything, I can see it for what it's for.
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| Quote ="newmarket cat"Just read on the offical SL website that Rugby League has bought Odsal to secure the future of the Bulls. I wonder what help we are going to get ???
It makes you laugh how we have been treated in the past by the RL'"
STAGGERING!!!! REALLY??!! I can barely believe it. I wish Bradford no ill whatsoevr; I don't subscribe to petty glee at other's misfortunes, but this cannot be the way for a fair sport to progress.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"I don't need to convince myself of anything, I can see it for what it's for.'"
Good. Then you'll obvious see that the RFL have performed a rescue operation, and nothing more, secured against a very fragile asset. I have no problem with it, it's one that they had to perform in the short and medium-term interest of the sport. They've been somewhat disingenuous in the way they've tried to sell the deal to the fans of the sport, but to have a third Super League club crash within the space of a year would have serious implications for the credibility of the sport, certainly in terms of sponsorship and advertising revenues.
Bradford are still regarded as one of the top clubs in the competition (by outsiders, if no one else), even if they're living off the success they've enjoyed in the recent past. They have a large enough fan base to operate as a going concern, if they cut their cloth to suit their purse.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?'"
1. I see the RFL buying the lease to Odsal to stop your club going to the wall and trying to dress it up as best they can so they don't appear to be doing anything underhand.
2. I see the RFL making up some nonsense about preserving historical grounds when what they actually want to do is to get everyone into modern stadia and they don't care 2 hoots about history.
I imagine Bradford are happy because they have secured the immediate future of their club.
I imagine the RFL are happy because they have avoided the negative publicity of one of their "big" clubs going t*ts up.
I imagine any fan of Rugby League in general that is not a Bulls fan sees this as what it is, which is a blatant act of support for one club when they have refused to help others.
As for your dreamworld of the RFL developing Odsal in the future, how long has this been in the pipeline and yet nobody has been able to afford to do it, but you think the "cash-rich" RFL will have the finances to do it. If you believe any of what you have put on here then you are as mad as the people in charge of our game.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Good. Then you'll obvious see that the RFL have performed a rescue operation, and nothing more, secured against a very fragile asset. I have no problem with it, it's one that they had to perform in the short and medium-term interest of the sport. They've been somewhat disingenuous in the way they've tried to sell the deal to the fans of the sport, but to have a third Super League club crash within the space of a year would have serious implications for the credibility of the sport, certainly in terms of sponsorship and advertising revenues.
Bradford are still regarded as one of the top clubs in the competition (by outsiders, if no one else), even if they're living off the success they've enjoyed in the recent past. They have a large enough fan base to operate as a going concern, if they cut their cloth to suit their purse.'"
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| If it means going under tough,no club as the god given right to be bailed out while others have struggled.I wouldn't loose any sleep if bulls fell by the wayside.R.F.L are a joke and corrupt.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"If it means going under tough,no club as the god given right to be bailed out while others have struggled.I wouldn't loose any sleep if bulls fell by the wayside.R.F.L are a joke and corrupt.'"
I wouldn't lose sleep, only maybe for Wakey but I wouldn't want them to fold. Hardly good for the sport in general and wouldn't wish it on their fans after experiencing what we did last year. I wouldn't want any RFL charity we'd never here the bleeding last of it. Anyway if and when we get sorted off our own steam we will have much more cause for celebration
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| After what we've been through,and still going through....ie....ground upgrade and NM decision,I find it hard not to be bitter over today's anouncement.
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| Wouldn't want to lose any club tbh and I've always had plenty of time for the Bradford, they've got a good set of fans.
All I can think of is during all this, is if this was Wakefield that had been helped out in this exact same way, say for example when Ted was looking for help, i'd imagine a lot of those fans at Bradford and other clubs would suddenly very much have a problem with it.
Anyway I just want to get the season started and then get good news about Newmarket and it will all be gravy.
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