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| Apply by all means would be silly not too ( and also show complete lack of respect TBH)
Unfortunatley though I can't see WTW or WT as you may be known by then getting a franchise but at this stage I do agree and think its for the RIGHT reasons. You will be starting a fresh and as is the ways with most things you need to start at the bottom and work your way up.
Will you do it - definatley you have enough dedicated and loyal supporters to work your way back up. Can't see it being this time or the next though.
Crusaders are a perfect example of the RFL getting it wrong and Widnes are a perfect example of what you need to do. Heads down hard graft and the future is bright.
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| At a meeting last night it was confirmed by the RFL that they hadn’t even discussed whether there would be promotion from the Championship to SL in three years. There probably will be but they haven’t decided on the criteria that a Championship club must meet in order to qualify.
Maybe they will preclude clubs from the heartlands of the game from applying in an attempt to spread the game geographically. Ralph Rimmer is a self confessed expansionist, he's also gone on record saying that a Cumbrian club should be included in the SL at some point in the future so there's no guarantees that we'll get back in IF we’re thrown out.
We need to fight tooth and nail; to the very end for our SL existence and I for one won't accept throwing in the towel
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| Quote ="The Clan"At a meeting last night it was confirmed by the RFL that they hadn’t even discussed whether there would be promotion from the Championship to SL in three years. =#BF0000There probably will be but they haven’t decided on the criteria that a Championship club must meet in order to qualify.
Maybe they will preclude clubs from the heartlands of the game from applying in an attempt to spread the game geographically. Ralph Rimmer is a self confessed expansionist, he's also gone on record saying that a Cumbrian club should be included in the SL at some point in the future so there's no guarantees that we'll get back in IF we’re thrown out.
We need to fight tooth and nail; to the very end for our SL existence and I for one won't accept throwing in the towel'"
Depends who they want, then they write the criteria to fit. This time round being a case in point at least until Fax 'massaged' their final game crowd figures
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| Theres no doubt we should apply with the most robust application we can produce. Sadly though I don't think it will make any difference as i'm convinced the decision was made a long time ago. And I share the concerns that the drawbridge will be pulled up in the not too distant future and if we are out we'll stay out.
Then again the RFL move the goalposts that often god only knows.
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| The thing I worry about, if we do lose the license bid, is, who makes way in 3 years, if things go our way and we get the stadium and the backer. If all the clubs have decent stadiums by then, what will separate the bids,will it come down to who's got the best stadium, the most money and wins the championship, or where Sky want to see a new team. Like others on here have said, once your out, it will be very hard to get back in. Even if the club has met all the requirements, you would be almost waiting on other clubs down falls, which isn't what this should be about.
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| At the end of the day money talks, if whoever takes over can satisfy the RFL they can bank roll the club comfortably. Criteria or not that will have an unofficial say in the license awards. As it has already been stated there are not many money men in RL and one more is only going to be better for the governing body.
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| The RFL have set the benchmark with their assistance of the Crusaders and Harlequins in the past using this model they cannot get rid of our club just because we have gone into adminstration. The RFL will know if they get rid of us they will show their true colours of double standards reguarding certain SL clubs, they cannott have one rule for one and another rule for Wakefield. i would imagine the new owners will fight tooth and nail to keep us in SL and stop any injustice. If we move to Newmarket in 2013 and have Barnsley as a stop gap in 2012, whats the difference between that and Crusaders moving from Bridgend to Wrexham??? Since we won the grand final in 1998 we have had to fight to stay in SL, whats the difference now? NO SURRENDER!!!
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| Quote ="HouriganTiger"nail on the head.....what sort of a business plan is that, someone to bankroll the club....surely the idea is the new BOD put a business plan together that demonstrates WTW can become a financially sound business, if the BP shows it takes 3 or 4 years (including it hinging on a new stadium to hopefullly attract new fans) until WTW are a financially sound business then what merrit can they award the licence....
sorry if this statement makes people think i'm a nob!!'"
There's an old saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". For a supporter of a club who's finances are not great, who don't have a new ground and who are yet to receive there final tax bill you're awfully cocky.
If I were you I'd shut up as I suspect you may be eating humble. I'm not saying Tricky Dicky has led Cas quite as far down disaster road but I know there are rocky times ahead for all clubs you included. Others will bite go the same route as us in short order IMO. I have no reason to think you will be one, I also have no reason to think you won't. If it happens let's see if you're still taking the high ground.
Yes the statement along with most of your others does make you look a total knob.
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| Ralph Rimmer, what a great name for a gay pornstar
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| Quote ="vastman"There's an old saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". For a supporter of a club who's finances are not great, who don't have a new ground and who are yet to receive there final tax bill you're awfully cocky.
If I were you I'd shut up as I suspect you may be eating humble. I'm not saying Tricky Dicky has led Cas quite as far down disaster road but I know there are rocky times ahead for all clubs you included. Others will bite go the same route as us in short order IMO. I have no reason to think you will be one, I also have no reason to think you won't. If it happens let's see if you're still taking the high ground.
Yes the statement along with most of your others does make you look a total knob.'"
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"The RFL have set the benchmark with their assistance of the Crusaders and Harlequins in the past using this model they cannot get rid of our club just because we have gone into adminstration. The RFL will know if they get rid of us they will show their true colours of double standards reguarding certain SL clubs, they cannott have one rule for one and another rule for Wakefield. i would imagine the new owners will fight tooth and nail to keep us in SL and stop any injustice. If we move to Newmarket in 2013 and have Barnsley as a stop gap in 2012, whats the difference between that and Crusaders moving from Bridgend to Wrexham??? Since we won the grand final in 1998 we have had to fight to stay in SL, whats the difference now? NO SURRENDER!!!
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Did he say going into administration would be the be all and end all? No, he didn't. Let's put our own house in order before spouting crap about conspiracy theories.
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| Quote ="trinfan71"[uAt the end of the day money talks,[/u if whoever takes over can satisfy the RFL they can bank roll the club comfortably. Criteria or not that will have an unofficial say in the license awards. As it has already been stated there are not many money men in RL and one more is only going to be better for the governing body.'"
Agreed, if our inverstor/s can generate a large sum then the RFL will find it very difficult.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Did he say going into administration would be the be all and end all? No, he didn't. Let's put our own house in order before spouting crap about conspiracy theories.'"
Agree. At this moment we are challenging these issues from a weak perspective. The club needs to start putting things right so that we can challenge them from a strong perspective.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Did he say going into administration would be the be all and end all? No, he didn't. Let's put our own house in order before spouting crap about conspiracy theories.'"
He did say adminstartion would weaken our position and the other posters on here have taken that as we have no chance of a new franchise, well that is wrong, not a conspiracy theory just a fact. Like I said they cant have one rule for one and one for another so I hope they do that to the letter...
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| i can remember a few years ago last game of season we beat cas n stayed up stood on donny rd end of ground n my son said to me b4 kick off we r goin down dad arnt we i looked him in the eyes n told him to think posative and the team will win. so all u ppl on here who think we are not gettin a licence for next 3 years y dont u think posative n get bhind our players, our new bod (when the deal is done) n cheer this grate club bk where we belong in the big time
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| Quote ="HouriganTiger"nail on the head.....what sort of a business plan is that, someone to bankroll the club....surely the idea is the new BOD put a business plan together that demonstrates WTW can become a financially sound business, if the BP shows it takes 3 or 4 years (including it hinging on a new stadium to hopefullly attract new fans) until WTW are a financially sound business then what merrit can they award the licence....
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no mate you are ok...
its not just that statement!
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"Like I said they cant have one rule for one and one for another so I hope they do that to the letter...
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And they haven't shown otherwise. The bids of Crusaders and Harlequins have advantages none of the other clubs have, but we have advantages, in terms of community work, other clubs won't have. No point hanging everything on one issue like some are, using it as another stick to beat the RFL with.
Let me ask then, to those who say the RFL, SL and the whole process is 'bent' and 'corrupt' and other such words, why do you want to be in Super League if it is that way?
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"And they haven't shown otherwise. The bids of Crusaders and Harlequins have advantages none of the other clubs have, but we have advantages, in terms of community work, other clubs won't have. No point hanging everything on one issue like some are, using it as another stick to beat the RFL with.
Let me ask then, to those who say the RFL, SL and the whole process is 'bent' and 'corrupt' and other such words, why do you want to be in Super League if it is that way?'"
I don't know about bent and corrupt, but I don't like some of how they do their business. To answer the question, you want to stay in SL to watch the best players, to watch the highest standard of RL in our country , as well as the banter and rivalry between fans. Any fan, of any sports team, wants their side to play at the highest level, it's what team sport is about. Yyou can love RL, without loving the guys who run it.
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| If anyone thinks we are going to get another franchise I'm afraid they are absolutely deluded!
At minimum, one is coming up and at least one is going down. What kind of scenario can you envisage for us to be kept in and someone else to be kicked out? I can't think of any possible way that the RFL could justify kicking a team out that hasn't been in administration and letting a team that's has been stay in. It couldn't be justified and probably leave the RFL open to legal action against themselves from who was kicked out.
The damage has already been done at the club and the damage is irreparable!
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"And they haven't shown otherwise. The bids of Crusaders and Harlequins have advantages none of the other clubs have, but we have advantages, in terms of community work, other clubs won't have. No point hanging everything on one issue like some are, using it as another stick to beat the RFL with.
Let me ask then, to those who say the RFL, SL and the whole process is 'bent' and 'corrupt' and other such words, why do you want to be in Super League if it is that way?'"
Like shifty said you want to see your team at the top level
at times i find SL dull, over hyped by the likes of eddie and stevo, ultimately deflating when we see our "superstars" stuffed by the southern hemisphere lot and as bent as it comes. Added to that i have really enjoyed watching the NL games, less hype, more individual, a bit more old fashioned in value if you like.
Would i prefer us to be in SL? probably, how do i rationalise that? i cant sorry.
Maybe a few years in NL might cure me
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| I will support Wakey whatever league they end up in and if the club dies then my love for RL will die with it. I have played and supported this great game since I first went with my Father and Grandfather in 1968 Wakefield are an integral part of my life and now I can no longer play are my only link to rugby league.
All Super League as done is cause animosity between supporters and and uncertainty in the game. The truth is it is Rugby League not now and for what it is worth never will be a national game in my humble opinion. If expansion is what they want then surely Cumbria is the first point of call.I would rather go watch Wakey play Cas,Hudds,Leeds,Bradford and the rest than go to London or France, by all means create a French league and fill it with French players, but how many people can afford to travel to the south of France to watch their team play. I have some great memories of Wakefield and they will always be with me. It is a working class game born in a working class area THAT is the appeal of the game, anyone who says otherwise are deluding themselves.
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| Quote ="Liversedge Wildcat"I will support Wakey whatever league they end up in and if the club dies then my love for RL will die with it. I have played and supported this great game since I first went with my Father and Grandfather in 1968 Wakefield are an integral part of my life and now I can no longer play are my only link to rugby league.
All Super League as done is cause animosity between supporters and and uncertainty in the game. The truth is it is Rugby League not now and for what it is worth never will be a national game in my humble opinion. If expansion is what they want then surely Cumbria is the first point of call.I would rather go watch Wakey play Cas,Hudds,Leeds,Bradford and the rest than go to London or France, by all means =#FF4000create a French league and fill it with French players, but how many people can afford to travel to the south of France to watch their team play. I have some great memories of Wakefield and they will always be with me. It is a working class game born in a working class area THAT is the appeal of the game, anyone who says otherwise are deluding themselves.'"
A very good post that cuts through the bullpat!
I've often thought exactly the same with regard to the strengthening of the French game, we introduced SL supposedly to improve domestic standards and therefore the international standards of English RL.
Surely there is reason to explore the possibilities of doing something similar in France rather than sacrificing one, two or more of our own clubs in order to shoehorn French teams into the SL.
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| Quote ="Liversedge Wildcat"I will support Wakey whatever league they end up in and if the club dies then my love for RL will die with it. I have played and supported this great game since I first went with my Father and Grandfather in 1968 Wakefield are an integral part of my life and now I can no longer play are my only link to rugby league.
All Super League as done is cause animosity between supporters and and uncertainty in the game. The truth is it is Rugby League not now and for what it is worth never will be a national game in my humble opinion. If expansion is what they want then surely Cumbria is the first point of call.I would rather go watch Wakey play Cas,Hudds,Leeds,Bradford and the rest than go to London or France, by all means create a French league and fill it with French players, but how many people can afford to travel to the south of France to watch their team play. I have some great memories of Wakefield and they will always be with me. It is a working class game born in a working class area THAT is the appeal of the game, anyone who says otherwise are deluding themselves.'"
Apart from the date - my earliest memory is of watching the 1963 cup final with my mum and brother (my dad had gone to Wembley) then going out in to the garden with my size 3 rugby ball and "being" Neil Fox ( I was 9!) - you've summed up my feelings precisely. I am totally in favour of the game expanding but it should never be at the expense of what made it the greatest game in the first place - its honesty and integrity. The RFL should be busting a gut to make the rugby league heartland a fortress of the game - a place where RU especially and football are relegated to second place. You don't do that by dumping established teams and p1551ng off large numbers of supporters.
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| Quote ="deeHell"If anyone thinks we are going to get another franchise I'm afraid they are absolutely deluded!
At minimum, one is coming up and at least one is going down. What kind of scenario can you envisage for us to be kept in and someone else to be kicked out? I can't think of any possible way that the RFL could justify kicking a team out that hasn't been in administration and letting a team that's has been stay in. It couldn't be justified and probably leave the RFL open to legal action against themselves from who was kicked out.
The damage has already been done at the club and the damage is irreparable!'"
So you know this. You're the same deeHell who spent month baiting Cas fans as to how great we were and how crap they were and now you turn heels and run deserting the club in it's hour of need - fickle or what. Just as well others stay the course isn't it. I'd of let it go as opinion but considering the posturing on your part in recent times I just can't. Where you deluded 6 month ago? Clearly you were
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| Quote ="vastman"So you know this. You're the same deeHell who spent month baiting Cas fans as to how great we were and how crap they were and now you turn heels and run deserting the club in it's hour of need - fickle or what. Just as well others stay the course isn't it. I'd of let it go as opinion but considering the posturing on your part in recent times I just can't. Where you deluded 6 month ago? Clearly you were
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more faces than the town clock has deehell even in last 24 hours he`s laying into cas fans spouting rubish he know nothing about,although he his now saying that both cas and wakey will go to be replaced by widnes and halifax.
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