I really dont get it.

"There are doubts over everything"

People have been led to believe that all was required,was outline planning for the full development -- which would in turn fund the stadium.
The people seem to believe funding was in place and the development was viable.

There is quite clearly more to this than can be discussed on a public forum,but ive got one quite sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

Planning has been put back until September -- whos decision was that???

This is starting to sound more like Durkar/Thornes Park fiasco over again.

Im going to have a gamble now and take a guess at:

The council no longer want to support the development,hence why planning is delayed.The council would like to see Wakey and Cas share at Glasshoughton and will support that scheme.I reckon the fighting every inch of the way,is to try and convince the council to support the Newmarket scheme.

Let everyone know when the timing is right the clock is ticking. Well obviously its going to be in support of the proposal whose against it in a Wakefield shirt?? A protest for the ground going ahead will help give us some much needed ammo if you ask me. St Helens went through the town centre that helped them so im sure Wakefield can.There have not been many times Yorkcourt have failed we have got some great developers. Just hope common sense prevails.

I am for a ground share but why at Glasshoughton it should be on the border of wakey and cas or wakey we are the city cas are the town you don't hear Leeds saying what about Armley what about Hunslet do you? Leeds are for themselves like we should be Cas should like it or lump it you don't like the ground in wakey or the border then tough. I will once again blame our main council leaders been from CAS, its pathetic.

IF the club had certainty over the approval and timing of Newmarket - as in signed and sealed contracts with delivery dates on them - then we wouldn't be worried about a licence and we wouldn't have any trouble recruiting players - would we?

The reality is that the deal is not done and, whilst we anticipate approval for the plans, there is no certainty until it is done. Until that time we have to keep the pressure on as much as we can - and that is what we are doing - SWAG / the club / the developer and the Trust.

TRB & SWAG: Keep up the good work, I hope those twitchy people will twitch over to The Cats Bar when PP is delivered, because i think TRB and Feline might be owed a few drinks...

The rest of us mere mortals: CHILL OUT!!!! HAVE SOME FAITH!


(Monthly blogs; LOL- someones been at the "Richard Wright Big Book of Management!- Lies, lies and more lies!!!)

Ok, I may be a negetive person of late, but look at this way,

Cas
over the last 15 years have had everything they wanted. Millions upon millions have been spent on cas. The grant funding for Cas Panthers, Lock Lane, and next Fryston is huge, swimming baths, that new bridge at another x amount of pounds, and the infrastructure at Glasshoughton, the exscape complex, the list goes on.

Wakey

No pool, every amateur club is a disgrace in terms of club house and facilities, my club included, no funding for anything, a total and utter disgrace.

The end result ( Nostradamus)

No new ground in Wakefield, forced to play out of Glasshoughton, thanks alot Mr Box, call me a miserable pratt, but I am 150% convinced we will get the shaft the first chance they (council & RFL) get the chance

like custers last stand

why should we (Cas) like it or lump it, as far as i know we have never been after a ground share and i definatly dont think it is a good idea. also you are the only one as far as i can see that has been on the cas board begging for us to share with you. so i ask again why should we like or lump a ground share, infact no i will not ask i will just say that from my point of view we will lump it mate.

Right then, If we're onto J32......

Cas don't actually have outline planning permission.
They need a compulsory land purchase to build a stadium on their proposed site as it needs a new link road, the owners of the land needed are unwilling to sell, so Waystones and Cas petitioned for the council to front the money for that (to be payed back at a later date). Still no word on that to my knowledge.
They still have massive restrictions on selling The Jungle in terms of the chemical licence, which will still be months if not years before it is revoked.. And according to "posters in the know" value the land in the region of 4 million+ (which in itself is laughable).
They don't have funding. Detailed designs are still not complete..
And to top it off... The application that was reviewed in Nov 07 will become null and void in less than 5 months, RW insists a detailed application is due any day, but so is his blog!!!!!

Top and bottom is there is much more work (and money to be spent- public or otherwise) to get J32 off the ground than Newmarket.

And journalist or Cas fan that insists they have outline planning permission is wrongly informed and wide of the mark (At least until Waystones act upon conditions that were set 3 years ago).

How come everyone is going nuts for that gravy? It's nice but wtf?

I think you will find Castleford have had thier outline planning permission for some time www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... 6292495.jp Yes I belive their is some negotiation regarding an access road however the scheme itself has been given the green light. If and when it will happen that is a different story, however Cas are infront of Wakefield on the planning permission front.

I think you will find Castleford have had thier outline planning permission for some time www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... 6292495.jp Yes I belive their is some negotiation regarding an access road however the scheme itself has been given the green light. If and when it will happen that is a different story, however Cas are infront of Wakefield on the planning permission front.

tbh i aint fussed about the gravy! good old Ketchup for me! oh and NGB4C get a life you moron it was not a direct attack it was more a tongue icheek comment..... you know the kind... how would you say it....erm.... haha is that better?

get a life and go count your annual earnings seen as you go on about them so much. you swap sides of the fence so much youve actually pushed it over ffs

This is why you should like it or lump it because you have had everything your way! GOOD post my friend.

TRB,with time being such an important factor,why has planning been delayed??

Ongoing issues and details to be resolved. TBF it took Cas 12 months to get outline - we've only been at it for 6.

We don't like the delay, but - assuming it is dealt with in September - it will be OK.

Quote ="tropical1"=#BF0040I think you will find Castleford have had thier outline planning permission for some time www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... 6292495.jp Yes I belive their is some negotiation regarding an access road however the scheme itself has been given the green light. If and when it will happen that is a different story, however Cas are infront of Wakefield on the planning permission front.'" I think you need to do some homework. It is resolved now, as Waystone have signed the 106 agreement, but before then it was an approval in principal only. Cas are indeed ahead of Wakefield on the planning front at this time.

Quote ="tropical1"=#BF0040I think you will find Castleford have had thier outline planning permission for some time www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... 6292495.jp Yes I belive their is some negotiation regarding an access road however the scheme itself has been given the green light. If and when it will happen that is a different story, however Cas are infront of Wakefield on the planning permission front.'" I think you need to do some homework. It is resolved now, as Waystone have signed the 106 agreement, but before then it was an approval in principal only. Cas are indeed ahead of Wakefield on the planning front at this time.

Not quite:



Carry on!

You have just dropped some of them straws you were clutching. For weeks you have been making a song and dance about the 106 agreement undermine the Cas Scheme. You also state in an earlier post that it took Cas 12 months to get outline planning whilst still suggesting you will get it sooner. What frustrates me is you want to pull Glasshoughton apart, a scheme which is testimony to the problems you face, Without acknowledging you are in the same boat but years behind.

For example access roads that Castleford are having difficulties with, the chances are you will face the same kinds of problem as do lots of building programmes without establish links.

Another example is the time scale, Cas were applying for permission on land that was brown field, in the middle of an already built leisure complex, on the edge of an industrial complex. The wakefield proposal is on greenbelt, in the middle of rural housing on the boundary of another city, and is dependent on the granting of a massive industrial development. Surly common sense tells you that it will take much longer to have permission granted.

... and here she is!!

Are you addressing me? If you are, you have the wrong person!

I have never believed that the 106 agreement was anything other than a technicality as it was in Waystones hands, not the council.

I have not pulled Glasshoughton apart - as a RL fan I wish for all clubs to have access to suitable venues to ply their trade in, and that includes all 3 clubs in WMDC. The main issue is that because of a lack of activity over several decades, all 3 clubs have fallen behind the times. I wish no ill on Cas, but it's not my job to promote their efforts, my job is to ensure that we have facilities in Wakefield - and I know a really good place to build them!



PS - the links are included in the overall package, so are not a problem - but thanks anyway!

A lot of you moaners on here just don't understand how life with local authorities and funding bodies work. It is a long drawn out process that includes a lot of talks/discussions/fine-tuning behind the scenes that HAS to have confidentiality as part of the arrangement between the parties.

As for the Wakey v Cas ground thing, I really wish it was resolved one way or another sooner rather than later, because none of the fans going on about it in the manner as on these boards give either club any credit when they are trying to knock down the other club's bid. Togetherness is what both clubs need - to try and get what we BOTH want, our own stadiums, none of this rubbish about ours is up first, ours is behind - rubbish.

To TRB and those involved with the logistics of it all, good luck - you deserve peace and quiet while you do your hard work. And more than that, you deserve respect and appreciation. Without you guys, we would be a long way off where we are now. [i(Though you are often too humble to receive it - Thank you from the silent majority!)[/i

So why quote the 106 agreement if you new it was just a technicality, I dont remember you adding the caveat that it is just a technicality to your posts.

And indeed you may be right about the link roads, my point was really that your plans will run into problems just the same as Glasshoughton has, for instance if you need to put up sound barriers will you may not own the land they need to go on.

I see you have not bothered to answer my main point. That Glasshoughton took 12 months to get permission on land that was brown field and in the middle of a leisure complex, yet you seem to think Newmarket can get permission quicker despite being on greenbelt on in a rural location and been a hybrid with a massive industrial development.

Its not Greenbelt if you did your homework ours in Brownfield

Not it's not!



Ours is 'Greenbelt' but not 'Greenfield'.

This is subject to change when the UDP is replaced by the LDF in 2012.

Come on NGB4C - if your going to try and play this game, at least try not to embarrass yourself!

0 out of 10 for your homework.




It is all "Greenbelt" unless we are in 2013 and Wakefield MDC have re-designated it!!