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| Quote ="snowie"Quote ="gizmo"The only alternative site located near Belle Vue is the former Power Station site. And if feasible would have been a far better opportunity than Newmarket to develop a new stadium, then again LEEDS would have moved the boundary AGAIN so that they can take a percentage, as is the case at Newmarket.'" you obviously don't know Doncaster Road in Wakefield, at its peak hours in the day its an atrocious road to use, the site would of been big enough and there was a railway track that could of been used but Newmarket will do fine
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Considering the fact there is only one access road into the former power station of Doncaster Road they could have always used the back access road from the back of Eastmoor, then again one access road already in place is better than no access road at all as is the case now at Newmarket. That sir is how well I do not know that area.
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| There's two issues here,
Franchising
stadium delivery
I know to some extent they are entwined but the club or clubs that eventually deliver a stadium will be the ones that have a long term future.
If the PI delay costs Trinity a franchise but the Newmarket development gets built sometime down the line then the club will win out eventually.
On the other hand if Castlefords perceived greater progression toward a stadium wins them a franchise for now, their inability to deliver a stadium will be their downfall in the end.
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| Quote ="The Clan"There's two issues here,
Franchising
stadium delivery
I know to some extent they are entwined but the club or clubs that eventually deliver a stadium will be the ones that have a long term future.
If the PI delay costs Trinity a franchise but the Newmarket development gets built sometime down the line then the club will win out eventually.
On the other hand if Castlefords perceived greater progression toward a stadium wins them a franchise for now, their inability to deliver a stadium will be their downfall in the end.'"
Don't see it that way at all mate. The land loans are apparently dependent on the clubs being in super league. They will be reviewed again after the franchise decision has been made. We won't have a franchise, I'm sure of that. Cas will take on the land loan intended for us, because it's all about delivering a stadium in the WFD area, and Wakey council will have delivered. The remaining celebrations in front of the town hall you can imagine for yourself.
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| Quote ="gizmo"Considering the fact there is only one access road into the former power station of Doncaster Road they could have always used the back access road from the back of Eastmoor, then again one access road already in place is better than no access road at all as is the case now at Newmarket. That sir is how well I do not know that area.'"
that would cost a lot of money to build a road their with a river and a railway to cross.
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| Quote ="TRT"Talking to a WMDC Cabinet Councillor Cas fan today who described WTW as being in the poop now due to the PI which he claims we have known was going to happen all along, but then went on to say Cas were equally in the poop because even though they were putting in for Planning Permission this week, their funding package was a few million short. I know it's been said before, but just thought I would repeat it!'"
this sounds like councillor mark burns williams and ive always found him to be straight talking and someone who tells the truth "well he`s always been accurate with what he`s said in the past" not bad for a person from the council.he would be right in saying cas are 2 million short to complete the build on the stadium but thats without any sponsorship money or initatives like the buy a brick scheme and there will be more chances to invest at a later date.
imho getting the last 2 million should be straight forward and much easier to get sponsorship and funds has the investers see the stadium going up,their will certainly be plenty of business`s up at exscape alone than will want to be advertised within the stadium,once this fpp has been accepted that will then become the clubs focus.
also makes you wonder why nobody else from either swag or wtw didnt think newmarket would go to a public inquiry when concillors new all along thats how it would go and the ones i spoke to said the same.anyway now it has gone to a public inquiry i hope its a quick process for you and yorkcourt stand by you so newmarket can happen it the not too distant future.
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| Quote ="braytontiger"this sounds like councillor mark burns williams and ive always found him to be straight talking and someone who tells the truth "well he`s always been accurate with what he`s said in the past" not bad for a person from the council.he would be right in saying cas are 2 million short to complete the build on the stadium but thats without any sponsorship money or initatives like the buy a brick scheme and there will be more chances to invest at a later date.
imho getting the last 2 million should be straight forward and much easier to get sponsorship and funds has the investers see the stadium going up,their will certainly be plenty of business`s up at exscape alone than will want to be advertised within the stadium,once this fpp has been accepted that will then become the clubs focus.
=#BF0040also makes you wonder why nobody else from either swag or wtw didnt think newmarket would go to a public inquiry when concillors new all along thats how it would go and the ones i spoke to said the same.anyway now it has gone to a public inquiry i hope its a quick process for you and yorkcourt stand by you so newmarket can happen it the not too distant future.'"
Oh, you mean the 'hidsighters'! It's easy to say they 'knew' all along, when the truth is that no-one 'knew' and different people in the council had a different opinion of the outcome. We genuinely felt that there was a good case for NM - which was not shared by the regional office.
The main point of note here should be that ALL the parties involved here have resolved to see through this process to it's succesful conclusion!
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"the club was all on for the power station but got talked out of it by the council. the council wanted the land for other things and talked theminto thornes park.'"
Ladies and Gentlemen - we have a winner!
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| Quote ="braytontiger"this sounds like councillor mark burns williams and ive always found him to be straight talking and someone who tells the truth "well he`s always been accurate with what he`s said in the past" not bad for a person from the council.he would be right in saying cas are 2 million short to complete the build on the stadium but thats without any sponsorship money or initatives like the buy a brick scheme and there will be more chances to invest at a later date.
imho getting the last 2 million should be straight forward and much easier to get sponsorship and funds has the investers see the stadium going up,their will certainly be plenty of business`s up at exscape alone than will want to be advertised within the stadium,once this fpp has been accepted that will then become the clubs focus.
also makes you wonder why nobody else from either swag or wtw didnt think newmarket would go to a public inquiry when concillors new all along thats how it would go and the ones i spoke to said the same.anyway now it has gone to a public inquiry i hope its a quick process for you and yorkcourt stand by you so newmarket can happen it the not too distant future.'"
£2m short? Is that before or after WR has been sold.
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| Quote ="TRB"Ladies and Gentlemen - we have a winner!
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It would have been nice to have the new ground there but the roads are not up to much in that area.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"£2m short? Is that before or after WR has been sold.'"
Posted this before, but my personal (i.e. educated guesswork) it will be after the sale of WR but before any sponsorship.
Sale of 'The Coliseum'! 4.9M - people seem to be saying that is realistic, the original agreement was 6.9M but we all know whats happened since then!
WMDC Loan - 2M
Waystone contribution already agreed - 1M (however they did say this may well be upped)
Buy a Brick and Club 50 - 300k (Bricks have sold well so another 'issue' should be imminent)
So about 8.2M.
As I said though thats without ANY sponsorship - PROBIZ have put a significant amount of money in and there is the sale of boxes, stand naming etc etc.
Definitely enough to build three stands and meet the RFL SL's criteria, however with all the opportunities the club can explore the fourth may well go up next year as well.
As I said that is only my best guess but it is conservative, if anyone knows more please add on your info.
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| Quote ="Shameless"Posted this before, but my personal (i.e. educated guesswork) it will be after the sale of WR but before any sponsorship.
Sale of 'The Coliseum'! 4.9M - people seem to be saying that is realistic, the original agreement was 6.9M but we all know whats happened since then!
WMDC Loan - 2M
Waystone contribution already agreed - 1M (however they did say this may well be upped)
Buy a Brick and Club 50 - 300k (Bricks have sold well so another 'issue' should be imminent)
So about 8.2M.
As I said though thats without ANY sponsorship - PROBIZ have put a significant amount of money in and there is the sale of boxes, stand naming etc etc.
Definitely enough to build three stands and meet the RFL SL's criteria, however with all the opportunities the club can explore the fourth may well go up next year as well.
As I said that is only my best guess but it is conservative, if anyone knows more please add on your info.'"
Many thanks.
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| Quote ="Shameless"Posted this before, but my personal (i.e. educated guesswork) it will be after the sale of WR but before any sponsorship.
Sale of 'The Coliseum'! 4.9M - people seem to be saying that is realistic, the original agreement was 6.9M but we all know whats happened since then!
WMDC Loan - 2M
Waystone contribution already agreed - 1M (however they did say this may well be upped)
Buy a Brick and Club 50 - 300k (Bricks have sold well so another 'issue' should be imminent)
So about 8.2M.
As I said though thats without ANY sponsorship - PROBIZ have put a significant amount of money in and there is the sale of boxes, stand naming etc etc.
Definitely enough to build three stands and meet the RFL SL's criteria, however with all the opportunities the club can explore the fourth may well go up next year as well.
As I said that is only my best guess but it is conservative, if anyone knows more please add on your info.'"
sadly ive never been to WR so i dont know what its like.is the £4.9million for the sale of WR,the carparking area and a training ground or just the stadium ?.
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| Quote ="j.c"sadly ive never been to WR so i dont know what its like.is the £4.9million for the sale of WR,the carparking area and a training ground or just the stadium ?.'"
the club own the whole land inc stadium,training pitch,and car park.
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| Quote ="j.c"sadly ive never been to WR so i dont know what its like.is the £4.9million for the sale of WR,the carparking area and a training ground or just the stadium ?.'"
I believe that is for the whole site mate.
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| Quote ="j.c"sadly ive never been to WR so i dont know what its like.is the £4.9million for the sale of WR,the carparking area and a training ground or just the stadium ?.'"
I would imagine it's all in. BV sold for £2.8m and it's a smaller.
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| thanks for that.i keep thinking that must be a large piece of land for that price.
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| I have heard of a one horse race but its just gone from bad to worse now that Castleford have submitted final planning. Barnsley here we all come and I am not looking forward to that for three seasons. We just get further and further behind. What next a proposed partner at Newmaket jumping ship. WE are just like the Titanic sinking fast, let us all hope we spend less time in the lower division than it took to find the Titanic. The next stumbling block will be if the club is sustainable on shrinking gates and in division 1. Then theres the squad we think its bad now and thats in super league my god whats it gonna be like in twelve months time, and where the hell is the money going to come from to put a squad together in 2014 but more than likely 2016 if as expected they extended the licence period by two years. And lets be honest we may by then have a new stadium but what about Leigh and the expected application from Tolouse and we all know that the RFL have only ever wanted one club from the area in Super League, my god it gets worse we are never going to get back in. Maybe those wise men that started Super League where right at the beginning of it all and MERGER was the only option. But that takes foresight and there is one thing that is certain the club is lead by people who do not have any.
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| Do you feel better after that Gizmo!
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| Quote ="j.c"sadly ive never been to WR so i dont know what its like.is the £4.9million for the sale of WR,the carparking area and a training ground or just the stadium ?.'"
Come down next season whilst we're still there.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Come down next season whilst we're still there.'"
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| I think in light of whats going on here as fans we need to work together! we really don't wanna lose either club do we? if we do we lose 2 big games a year. in its place will be a taffy team that make its own rules at our expense! ground envy as made a few of us miss what is really going on out there!!
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| Good post!
But it's bigger than just us, it's supporters of all clubs who value tradition and fair play!
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| The problem is that the BOD of the top five clubs and the RFL do not care a jot about the traditions of the game.
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| Quote ="baztiger"I think in light of whats going on here as fans we need to work together! we really don't wanna lose either club do we? if we do we lose 2 big games a year. [uin its place will be a taffy team that make its own rules at our expense! ground envy as made a few of us miss what is really going on out there[/u!!'"
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