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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"But we haven't been given a loan and there has been no talk of Bulls going into administration. We sold some of our assets, to ensure and secure at least some stability and future for the club. We haven't been given or handed anything by the RFL and certainly not received any preferential treatment, it was purely and simply a business deal, instigated by us and negotiated by both parties.
You and Cas need to stop feeling sorry for yourselves and stop crying.'"
not from what was on radio leeds this morning at 7-15, the RFL spokesman clearly stated that it purchased Odsal from the club and not from the council as I was lead to believed.
Hood was also like a dog with two dicks as he stated that it made the club stable
Wakefield also got a mention about its ground by the RFL briefly as to make a point that they had looked into it as well
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| Quote ="snowie"not from what was on radio leeds this morning at 7-15, the RFL spokesman clearly stated that it purchased Odsal from the club and not from the council as I was lead to believed.
Hood was also like a dog with two dicks as he stated that it made the club stable
Wakefield also got a mention about its ground by the RFL briefly as to make a point that they had looked into it as well
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And that lends to preferential treatment how exactly?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Funnily enough, the RFL concluded in the Licensing review that the Bulls were a well-run club with a clear future. But what do they know, eh?
Its hard work on here. If you have a property, and you sell it and rent it back, how does that make it a handout? Do tell us.'"
The RFL have bought your ground from Bulls who will then use the money received to give them back in rent and pocket the rest, that is essentially a remortgage - which is a type of loan.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"And that lends to preferential treatment how exactly?'"
let me see
did the bulls contact Wonga .com no the ask the RFL for a loan and got the RFL discided to help you lot from admin by buying the lease
watch the spend spree begin
oh and not to mention the conflict of interest when it comes to the next franchise
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"No, we have offered the sale of the lease, they paid cash for it.
That's a sale.'"
So its a "Sale and Leasback" which is just like a loan.
Look call it what you will but the rest of us will call it a loan.
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| Quote ="snowie"eusa_think.gif let me see
did the bulls contact Wonga .com no the ask the RFL for a loan and got the RFL discided to help you lot from admin by buying the lease
watch the spend spree begin
oh and not to mention the conflict of interest when it comes to the next franchise
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Admin, were we in admin? Where have you seen that disclosed that we were in admin or going to go into admin? Can you find me that info?
But buying something is different from loaning something. Jee whizz
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| The Bulls have made a long term commitment to pay a higher rent, in return for a short term cash injection; if they don't improve their revenue streams dramatically to meet the higher rent costs, they'll be screwed all over again, but with no lease to sweat for what would be the third time.
The Bulls fans who are choosing to be smug and combative about this should keep their powder dry; what they've done is exactly what Southern Cross did on a much bigger scale, and that business is now in the process of being picked apart by vultures.
Whatever happens, by virtue of its dishonesty and contempt shown for other stakeholders, the RFL has further diminished its own credibility and damaged what little goodwill remained towards it from RL fans outside of Odslum, who will of course be their biggest supporters.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"So its a "Sale and Leasback" which is just like a loan.
Look call it what you will but the rest of us will call it a loan.'"
I won't I will call it a handout
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"So its a "Sale and Leasback" which is just like a loan.
Look call it what you will but the rest of us will call it a loan.'"
Yes, it's a sale and leaseback, which is a..wait for it....a sale and leaseback.
A loan is a loan, not a sale and leaseback.
Deary me today.
Call it a loan if you wan't At no point or time has any of the participating parties mentioned a loan, that's only being made up by fans that seem angry and bitter towards the RFL and Bradford Bulls.
[i [size=85And if you listen carefully, it sounds just like a golf[/size[/i
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"No, we have offered the sale of the lease, they paid cash for it.
That's a sale.'"
Did you offer the sale of the lease to anyone else?
If you did, was it a Bank or other lending body?
Lende =#FF0000R o =#FF0000F Last resort!!
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Admin, were we in admin? Where have you seen that disclosed that we were in admin or going to go into admin? Can you find me that info?
But buying something is different from loaning something. Jee whizz'"
you make me laugh no your not in admin but rumours was rife for years that the club was becoming unstable, why would you sell your prize processions the Burgess's
ok lets change it to handout
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"And that lends to preferential treatment how exactly?'"
You lot are thick skinned!How many other SL clubs have the RFL bought their grounds off?No,didn't think so.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Did you offer the sale of the lease to anyone else?
If you did, was it a Bank or other lending body?
Lende=#FF0000R o=#FF0000F Last resort!!'"
I don't think so and why should we?
We achieved the best deal for us, and that was to sell it to the RFL, Who actually wanted to buy it, as seen by their recent purchase.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Yes, it's a sale and leaseback, which is a..wait for it....a sale and leaseback.
A loan is a loan, not a sale and leaseback.
Deary me today.
Call it a loan if you wan't At no point or time has any of the participating parties mentioned a loan, that's only being made up by =#FF0000fans that seem angry and bitter towards the RFL and Bradford Bulls.
[i[size=85And if you listen carefully, it sounds just like a golf[/size[/i'"
I'm not at all bitter to the Bradford Bulls or there fans but I am bitter to the RFL in the way they are conducting them selves
they are making a mockery of our sport and you are just trying to justify it
how embarrassing for you
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| Quote ="snowie"icon_lol.gif you make me laugh no your not in admin but rumours was rife for years that the club was becoming unstable, why would you sell your prize processions the Burgess's
ok lets change it to handout
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So were you just making that up then?
Perhaps the club were unstable, and they did have to sell the Burgess, but administration(as you claimed only a few posts back), was never actually mentioned.
So, let me ask you again, did you just make that up to try and validate your statements?
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Please tell me, how?'"
I actually give up. If you aren't prepared to see whats in front of you I'm not going to waste my time explaining.
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| Quote ="JINJER"You lot are thick skinned!How many other SL clubs have the RFL bought their grounds off?No,didn't think so.
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None I don't think.
How many other SL clubs have the right or tried to sell them their grounds or leases to their grounds?
The RFL don't have a commitment to keep any club up and running, however, they do have a right to purchase something that they deem valuable to them, as would appear to be the case in the recent purchase of the Odsal lease. It seems like the money that the RFL have paid for the Odsal lease with will keep us up and running for a bit. Like I said, a business deal, nothing more, nothing less.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"So were you just making that up then?
=#FF0000Perhaps the club were unstable, and they did have to sell the Burgess, but administration(as you claimed only a few posts back), was never actually mentioned.
So, let me ask you again, did you just make that up to try and validate your statements?'"
ta enough said
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| FWIW I'm not angry at you, not angry at the Bradford fans, the club. In fact I'm not even angry some are trying to defend this as an act of favouritism, it's the natural reaction to criticism.
What is the point in us complaining anymore? Not just us as in Wakefield fans, but fans across the Sport, will we ever get anywhere? Should we just be resigned to the fact that the sport will be run in anyway the RFL see fit ? Well done to Bradford, your Super League status is safe as houses for the foreseeable future and beyond, you no longer have to worry, I wish (and other clubs also) I was in the same position.
If we do things the hard way it will be much more satisfying when we return to glory, when we lift a trophy at Wembley or Old Trafford we can all look back on incidents like this, the Wigan Salary Cap, the Crusaders bungs and the countless other obvious acts of unfairness and corruption, and be proud. Many clubs may look down their noses at us now and laugh at comments like this, but it won't be this way forever.
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| Quote ="TFC"I actually give up. If you aren't prepared to see whats in front of you I'm not going to waste my time explaining.'"
I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?
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| Quote ="snowie"icon_biggrin.gif ta enough said
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Still waiting on this claim by you of BBRLFC going into admin to be true or even potentially true?
How long do you think it will be before you come back with something to validate your claim?
Perhaps a statment by Bulls or HMRC?, No?
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
=#FF0000Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?'"
not very bright are we
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?'"
I see a poorly run club whos just managed to get the last drink in the bar, you guys have been on the brink for years but you been bailed out by the RFL (however you dress it up) well done i say cos we would have done the same.
Well done again.
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| Quote ="snowie"icon_lol.gif not very bright are we
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"I see whats in front of me.
1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.
Now, what I think
I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).
Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?'"
Bradford. Have. A. Franchise. For. Life. Because. The. RFL. Own. Odsal.
In the simplest terms, to think otherwise would seem extremely naive.
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Quote ="Deano G"Absolutely spot on.
If people are saying that the governing body of what we would like to think is an important sport in this country can buy a stadium leased by one its leading clubs without disclosing the details of that deal and expect to avoid criticism and suspicion then that is just ridiculous!
How can we as fans have any confidence in the integrity of the competition when important things like this are kept secret?
The fact that the RFL appear to think their best course of action is to keep things secret speaks volumes. Failing to disclose the deal at best looks like contempt for the fans and at worst looks like a cover up. When you couple this with a failure to explain how the RFL will manage the conflict of interests going forward, it just looks really bad. Hopefully this is just amateurish errors rather than anything more sinister, but what a mess they have got themselves in on this issue.'"
This is from a much more neutral and considered view than my own, I think it sums up quite a few key emotions of the Rugby League family. Albeit not as intense as my own.
No matter how you dress this up, the RFL have got your ass covered, and as no such treatment was exercised for various other clubs, it's quite clear that you ARE getting preferential treatment, I'm sorry mate but you can come at any angle you like on this subject but I doubt you will convert anyone who has their mind made up. Like many fans of Hull FC and Bradford have already said and even used as their own justification 'We are big clubs'. At least they are being honest, and probably, more to the point, they are correct.
If you want to continue to trying to convince yourself and us Wakey fans, that this is a harmless 'Business Venture' (A business venture which has seen the RFL spend a reported SEVEN figure sum, and the likelihood of them making meaningful, or any, profit seems slender to put it nicely) then like I said earlier you are deluded.
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