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| I would guess this is due to the price of land, which has lowered significantly for commercial land since the downturn!
Lots of "property gurus" have failed due to the downturn - most people thought the price of property will never go down and always up which has been proved to be rubbish
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"Can somebody explain all this to me, why is a" water tight" contract for £1 million only worth £80.000 .'" like the banks confidence in the market and then it crashed
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| Quote ="lad13"[uHeard a rumour [/uthat he is now in an IVA and the RFL won't let someone in his position be involved in a club. Anyone heard anything?'"
Usual rumour then, now i know you are just asking but why do people who have clearly no idea start rumours and pass them around like this.
Don't suppose you want to expose this person do ya.
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| manages his personal business as he does the management of this club.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"No they didnt go bust according to companies house.
In fact the ultimate holding company of Duncan Developments is very healthy.'"
Is it the same Duncan Developments?
I thought I could remember Ted explaining at an AGM what would happen to the shares as a result of their demise. It was over 15 years ago so I could have got it wrong
I know J Duncan was our deputy chairman and D Scougall was his representative on the board.
Also seem to remember that some, if not all, the shares were in leu of upgrading the stand
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| The value of the land is probably much less than £1M but higher than £80k, to Sainsbury's it was worth the £1M when they planned to develop it into a new supermarket.
Once they changed their plans from this land to a new unit inside Trinity Walk the value of the land, in Sainsbury's estimation, would not be anywhere near the £1M mark.
They have, in their opinion, therefore settled the contract for a nominal sum of £80K and the land will remain the property of the existing owner.
As with any contract, the devil is in the detail and I assume that the solicitors acting on behalf of Sainsbury have advised them on the settlement value and will have done so in the beleif that the contract allows them to do so.
Ted and his solicitors and perhaps the solicitors representing the bank, will disagree as they feel they have a "watertight" contract for the sale of the land at an agreed fee of £1M.
In the end I think a further settlement may be forthcoming from Sainsbury but it will be no where near the original agreed price of purchase.
Where that will leave Teds finances is anyones guess.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Usual rumour then, now i know you are just asking but why do people who have clearly no idea start rumours and pass them around like this.
Don't suppose you want to expose this person do ya.'"
Oh yeah wild rhumour al, clearly wide of the mark!!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Oh yeah wild rhumour al, clearly wide of the mark!!
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I must have missed him stepping down on friday, or maybe he did and i just missed it.
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| Quote ="Overground"Is it the same Duncan Developments?
I thought I could remember Ted explaining at an AGM what would happen to the shares as a result of their demise. It was over 15 years ago so I could have got it wrong
I know J Duncan was our deputy chairman and D Scougall was his representative on the board.
Also seem to remember that some, if not all, the shares were in leu of upgrading the stand'"
Could possibly be a different company if the original went bust that long ago,as i dont believe you can have two limited companies using the same name.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Could possibly be a different company if the original went bust that long ago,as i dont believe you can have two limited companies using the same name.'"
I'll give you a wave tonight if your watching it on the telly
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"I must have missed him stepping down on friday, or maybe he did and i just missed it.'"
The first part of the wild rumour was correct, the second part regarding him having to step down may yet have some mileage in it.
I am lead to believe that ted stands as guarantor to the rfl as to the financial stability of the club, if this is the case then who knows!
Hardly a wild rumour, and as it surfaced before even TRB knew about it, it must be from very close to ted indeed.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I'll give you a wave tonight if your watching it on the telly
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Hi Mate
Yes,give me a wave,will be watching on telly.
In middle of moving house,which fitted quite nicely with the fact i didnt want to waste the petrol money after recent performances.
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| Quote ="The Clan"The value of the land is probably much less than £1M but higher than £80k, to Sainsbury's it was worth the £1M when they planned to develop it into a new supermarket.
Once they changed their plans from this land to a new unit inside Trinity Walk the value of the land, in Sainsbury's estimation, would not be anywhere near the £1M mark.
They have, in their opinion, therefore settled the contract for a nominal sum of £80K and the land will remain the property of the existing owner.
As with any contract, the devil is in the detail and I assume that the solicitors acting on behalf of Sainsbury have advised them on the settlement value and will have done so in the beleif that the contract allows them to do so.
Ted and his solicitors and perhaps the solicitors representing the bank, will disagree as they feel they have a "watertight" contract for the sale of the land at an agreed fee of £1M.
In the end I think a further settlement may be forthcoming from Sainsbury but it will be no where near the original agreed price of purchase.
Where that will leave Teds finances is anyones guess.'"
I would be very surprised if any Bank (yes - even those now with significant taxpayer stakes) had lent £ for £ on the contract purchase price so hopefully any settlement will be sufficient to see Ted end up with his creditors paid off, even though he may not be left with spare cash at the end of it.
I think that there have been a lot of views on this thread that are very short sighted and suggest that Ted has overseen poor financial management at the club. What those posters have forgotten is that it was Ted who saw the club through the darkest of our financial days when the club was subject to a Company's Voluntary Agreement following the Pearman fiasco (the equivalent to his own situation now) and thanks to Ted's hard work with the bank over many years the club is no on a much sounder financial footing. It's also worth remembering that Ted takes very little (if any) wage from the club, relying on his other interests for his income.
I wish Ted well in sorting things out.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"The first part of the wild rumour was correct, [uthe second part regarding him having to step down may yet have some mileage in it.[/u
I am lead to believe that ted stands as guarantor to the rfl as to the financial stability of the club, if this is the case then who knows!
Hardly a wild rumour, [uand as it surfaced before even TRB knew about it,[/u it must be from very close to ted indeed.'"
Quite cleary states friday just gone HTH.
Does that really matter and for what its worth its not true.
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| Keep dreamin al, everythings rosie!!!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Keep dreamin al, everythings rosie!!!'"
Whats difficult to understand, no one stood down friday and your quote of who knew and when is incorrect.
So me pointing out 2 facts is dreaming and being rosie.
Thanks a bundle.
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| Who knew and when! Explain?
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Who knew and when! Explain?'"
Thas like a dog with a bone at times
I knew monday evening and this thread was started thursday pm and before anyone starts with the " old pals act" the info came from a poster on here who [ufound public information on a public site,[/u nothing to do with Ted telling anyone.
So its fair to say that all four mods were made aware.
Kinley, i hope that does not come over the wrong way, its not intended.
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| From what i've heard and understand his posistion is untenable and he will step down once a successor has been found.
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| Quote ="mwildcats"From what i've heard and understand his posistion is untenable and he will step down once a successor has been found.'"
I would imagine that to be the case, trouble is who will be the successor.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Who knew and when! Explain?'"
i found out sunday but imnot upthe clubs ass
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| Quote ="RDM"I would be very surprised if any Bank (yes - even those now with significant taxpayer stakes) had lent £ for £ on the contract purchase price so hopefully any settlement will be sufficient to see Ted end up with his creditors paid off, even though he may not be left with spare cash at the end of it.
I think that there have been a lot of views on this thread that are very short sighted and suggest that Ted has overseen poor financial management at the club. What those posters have forgotten is that it was Ted who saw the club through the darkest of our financial days when the club was subject to a Company's Voluntary Agreement following the Pearman fiasco (the equivalent to his own situation now) and thanks to Ted's hard work with the bank over many years the club is no on a much sounder financial footing. It's also worth remembering that Ted takes very little (if any) wage from the club, relying on his other interests for his income.
I wish Ted well in sorting things out.'"
cheers for that are you diane
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"i found out sunday but imnot upthe clubs ass'"
No - you've found other ways to improve our lot....
oh, wait...???
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| Quote ="TRB"No - you've found other ways to improve our lot....
oh, wait...???
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you should take your seat on the board
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"sleepy.gif you should take your seat on the board'"
Maybe - one day!
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