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| Quote ="trintalk"Can you say who has been asked to join the new trust.'"
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| Which members of the supporters trust have been invited to meet Walkers new trust
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| Gets better Sandal cat doesnt it
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| Quote ="bren2k"So Rodney is working with YC to create a Trust that excludes the most vocal/objectionable (in their eyes) members of the original Trust?
There will be a part of most of us that thinks "whatever - if it gets built I don't care." I don't like it though - the Trust existed as a vehicle to deliver this project, and it shouldn't be for the developer to pick and choose how that vehicle is constituted. It stinks.'"
+1 from me, Bren and it's getting smellier by the day !!!
If those 3 reprehensible characters are the only ones making decisions on this, then it will only be for their respective benefit, one way or another
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Why do you think he can deliver something with a new Trust when he has failed to deliver with the existing Trust that was specifically set up by the Council to facilitate the delivery of the Community Stadium for the people of Wakefield that the developer promised in the PI.'"
Because he's chosen to make it a Rodders glory thing. By going on his own, he can flaunt his success. I'm not sure he would if he thought it would end in failure.
It does seem strange that he has chosen this route when there appears to be new statements of intent from the developer and the council. I don't for a minute suggest there's anything honourable in it. The fact that he's done this, however, makes me think that he's seen a finishing line ahead, and he wants to cross it alone, arms aloft.
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| Quote ="bren2k"But they won't - because they have none; what's happened with this project is SOP in the developers world, and LA's are powerless to manage them.
This is from an article in the Guardian a couple of years ago:
"Bankers have faced our collective wrath, but what about developers? The economy goes in fickle booms and busts, cycling merrily through bubbles and crises, but cities, built in concrete and steel, generally stay put. What we are making now, we will all have to live with for a very long time. The iniquities of the banking crash have been intricately unpicked, but the wilful destruction of the places where we live and work remains something of a mystery. We may rant and rage against ugly additions to the skyline, but what of the mechanisms that are allowing it to happen? How did it come to this?
The principal reason can be traced to the fact that awarding planning permission in the UK comes down to a Faustian pact. If the devil is in the detail, then the detail is Section 106 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990, a clause which formalised “planning gain”, making it in the local authorities’ interests to allow schemes to balloon beyond all reason, in the hope of creaming off the fat of developers’ profits for the public good.
Introduced as a negotiable levy on new development, Section 106 agreements entail a financial contribution to the local authority, intended to be spent on offsetting the effects of the scheme on the local area. The impact of a hundred new homes might be mitigated by money for extra school places, or traffic calming measures. In practice, since council budgets have been so viciously slashed, Section 106 has become a primary means of funding essential public services, from social housing to public parks, health centres to highways, schools to play areas. The bigger the scheme, the fatter the bounty, leading to a situation not far from legalised bribery – or extortion, depending on which side of the bargain you are on. Vastly inflated density and a few extra storeys on a tower can be politically justified as being in the public interest, if it means a handful of trees will be planted on the street."
This is much smaller scale, but it frames the relationship between developer and LPA, and makes very clear which party holds the whip hand.'"
Very illuminating thanks. I guess it is more obvious what is going on now you read that. I just hope the benefit the local authority extracts is, this time, our stadium!
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Which members of the supporters trust have been invited to meet Walkers new trust'"
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Because he's chosen to make it a Rodders glory thing. By going on his own, he can flaunt his success. I'm not sure he would if he thought it would end in failure.
It does seem strange that he has chosen this route when there appears to be new statements of intent from the developer and the council. I don't for a minute suggest there's anything honourable in it. The fact that he's done this, however, makes me think that he's seen a finishing line ahead, and he wants to cross it alone, arms aloft.'"
The Sir Rodney Stadium, do agree though politicians do not normally tie themselves to a lost cause.
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| Whoever finalises the deal, the supporters of this club know who drove the campaign, who worked hard in their own time to keep the pressure up. It doesn't matter who gets to pose in the paper. If there's a new stadium, I know who to thank.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Because he's chosen to make it a Rodders glory thing. By going on his own, he can flaunt his success. I'm not sure he would if he thought it would end in failure.
It does seem strange that he has chosen this route when there appears to be new statements of intent from the developer and the council. I don't for a minute suggest there's anything honourable in it. The fact that he's done this, however, makes me think that he's seen a finishing line ahead, and he wants to cross it alone, arms aloft.'"
But he could have easily taken the glory as Chair of the existing Trust.
He states in the Star article that he needs Wakefield Trinity to be anchor tenant so why leave the Trust that you Chair and on which sits the 2 guys that own the Club and can make that happen. Answers on a postcard please.
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| When will the white smoke be released
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"But he could have easily taken the glory as Chair of the existing Trust.
He states in the Star article that he needs Wakefield Trinity to be anchor tenant so why leave the Trust that you Chair and on which sits the 2 guys that own the Club and can make that happen. Answers on a postcard please.'"
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| What seems to be overlooked during this discussion is that whatever ground we end up with we are talking of several years into the future. What guarantees are there that we'll even have a club when the ground is delivered? The RFL will only allow us to live a nomadic life for so long before they call time.
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| As stated previously....
=#FF0000Having spoken with a certain member of the Trust, I know that they are disgusted with the way that Rodney Walker has acted throughout his involvement in this process so far, so we therefore have to ask the question, what is going on ??
The Trust's sole aim has been to provide a Community stadium for the people of Wakefield and the Trust members have all given numerous hours of their own time over the past umpteen years to try and achieve this, obviously at considerable cost to themselves in both time and travelling etc and none of them have ever sought to seek financial gain, (heck, one of them is even a Rhino's fan !!!) and rightly or wrongly, they brought in Sir Rodder's to try and assist in the process.
Unfortunately, it would appear that his ego took over, as usual and he then insisted on attending subsequent meetings alone with the Council and Yorkcourt (none of which appear to have been minuted) and inexplicably agreed to the Newcold development not counting towards the 60,000 sq. m trigger point for the stadium build. Now why would he do that ???
The "genuine" members of the Trust eventually got wind of this and Sir Rodder's clearly found his position un-tenable and stepped down, yet here he is, forming a new Trust and lo and behold his two previous best buddies now say that they won't deal with the existing Trust and they will only deal with him, once his new Trust has been formally ratified BY THEM !!!
I SMELL A RAT !!
I bet the genuine Trust members, along with MC, are absolutely livid at the disgusting, underhand way they have been treated by these three disgraceful, devious individuals.......BUT........ let's just assume for one nano-second that the three wise monkey's have suddenly had a change of heart and do actually build us a stadium before hell freezes over, then who can we really thank for forcing them into a corner and making them perform a U-turn ????
The genuine members of the Trust, that's who, the guys who have been so passionate about this quest from the outset, who have fought bureaucracy and stone-walling, year in, year out, from a triumvirate of despicable individuals who have now evidently turned into glory hunters, only because they have been backed into a corner and have no other options open to them.
So, TRB, SC, IA, MC and CB (and others who have undoubtedly helped along the way..Fordy, was one, I believe ??), gentlemen, take a bow, because you are the true un-sung heroes in all of this !!!!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Whoever finalises the deal, the supporters of this club know who drove the campaign, who worked hard in their own time to keep the pressure up. It doesn't matter who gets to pose in the paper. If there's a new stadium, I know who to thank.'"
But also if Rodney does somehow pull it out of the bag then he will be due some credit too, despite his seemingly odious behaviour in these matters.
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/work-on-new-10m-wakefield-stadium-to-get-underway-this-year-1-8616734
What is this guy on??'"
That reads like the council have approved the new trust and negotiations with the developer are in full swing
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| Anybody reading that Express article without reading all the correspondence on this Forum over the last few years regarding this subject will just be sitting back, stroking his chin and thinking: "Mmmmm! Good old Rodney. He's getting a nice new shiny ground for Trinity. What a jolly good and cleverchap he is".
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| Quote ="Redscat"Anybody reading that Express article without reading all the correspondence on this Forum over the last few years regarding this subject will just be sitting back, stroking his chin and thinking: "Mmmmm! Good old Rodney. He's getting a nice new shiny ground for Trinity. What a jolly good and cleverchap he is".'"
Anyone reading that Express article without reading all the correspondence on this forum over the last few years will be thinking, "I've read this article before, a few years back."
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"=#0080FF“I have no more wish than to give credit to the supporter groups for staying with this project and it’s the least they deserve. That’s why I have decided to invite two representatives from the supporters group to join the new Trust."
I'd like to know who the "lucky" couple are?'"
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No one involved in the Trust is doing this for credit or kudos and if the Council and Sir Rodney Walker were able to pull this off then we would be perfectly happy for them to be carried shoulder high around the streets of Wakefield to the adoration of the people of Wakefield.
It's not about credit it's about justice for the people of Wakefield.
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| Why does it say if we can purswaid WT to become anchor tenants.Do we need purswaiding.
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| Quote ="AKA kellyseye"Why does it say if we can purswaid WT to become anchor tenants.Do we need purswaiding.
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Thats one for Chris and Michael but I guess it all comes down to the terms of the tenancy which as far as I am aware have not been discussed with the Club.
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| Quote ="AKA kellyseye"Why does it say if we can purswaid WT to become anchor tenants.Do we need purswaiding.
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Depending on a number of factors:
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We may very well need persuading.
On the other hand, it could be perfect and our holy grail.
I guess time will tell.
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