sorry mate cant see this improving our gates!, can see exactly the opposite!

Bigger gates come with success, end of!

and without gates improving in next year or two (puts on helmet) the new ground becomes a white elephant because in revenue terms we wont be able to afford to run it, fans are NOT going to come in their thousands to watch a team in a new ground that loses week in week out.

If true we will need to sign a scrum half BJ is no scrum half not convinced Cooke is a stand off in Obst got injured we would be knacked

Complete opposite IMO. We could be a top 4 side - but if we're playing at home and it's raining we will still only get 4k regulars.

We need to move forward on the pitch / off the pitch and with the bloody pitch!

sorry mate not putting your efforts down, would never do so and i know long term its the clubs only hope in SL.

Even if we can reach the cap it may not end there. SL is a fantasy world concept that has rules like salary caps, not tapping up players before deadlines etc.

There are three clubs that I know which are up to the cap 'on paper' however their real wage bill is way above. This is done by making cash payments to players and is something we could never do with our financial structure even with a new stadium. To really compete at the highest level you need an outside financial structure that can pump money into the club over and beyond the cap. When money comes from an outside source such as this it can never be traced and the RFL can do sweet FA about it.

Players are like us they all pay tax and NI. A nice cash lump sum will always be appreciated and will always
give you an edge in contract negotiations

We will have to agree to disagree. As much as I love Belle Vue its a dump and I genuinely believe lots of people are put off by its state. A slight hint of rain a few hours before kick off and plenty are put off - I'm not talking of diehards like most on here but your'e floating fans. We need to attract a new breed of fans and I believe to do so we need 21st Century facilities which a new stadium will bring.

I agree that bigger gates come with success - no one wants to watch a losing side although I seem to have done it for most of my life - but we are restricted at Belle Vue. Winning regularly should help but we finished 5th last season and gates were down so I think the secret if success is probably a combination of both - winning and better facilities. Also better facilities gives us a better chance of attracting more investors and sponsors.

I believe our future is totally dependent on a new ground. No ground no future - I think the club would die outside Super League. Just my opinion for what its worth.

Maybe elsewhere in the universe but for some reason not in Wakefield.

We started this season winning three out of three including the prize scalp of Leeds infront of our home fans.
Followed by a very creditable away performance at Saints.

Next gig is shudds at home and due to your theory they should have been flocking in by then but we managed just over 5K.

good point mate, my research there was crap!
its a shame that those of us that make up the say 3k at home 1k away week in week out fans arn't enough, im getting irritated a bit with the monday morning fill me in on what happened cos i was decorating/gardening/cleaning the car mob, FFS JUST GO!!!!!!!!

anyway on topic im sorry hes leaving!

Is it false economy letting Broughy go before the end of the season?, on the one hand we get a lesser player plus a few quid, and some will argue that he will go for nothing at the end of the season anyway. But on the other hand what will happen if our attendances go down because of disgruntled fans' what good will the few quid we get for Brough have done if we lose it on the turnstiles. Also what effect will it have on team performances' and ultimately our league position bearing in mind both are part of the criteria for a SL franchise for 2012. What a choice to make.

I assume money talks (if true) and money in the bank is worth twice possible finances coming up... I wouldnt like to make the decision of turning down ££££ from Huddersfield now or letting him go for free at the end of the season...

I said the same when Ellis left. Would rather have seen him play out the last year of his contract than cash in on him. Same goes for Brough think he is worth more to the team than whatever is being offered. (not that I know what's being offered, if indeed there is an offer!)

two sides to the rumour at present. One is he is out and is going to return home off contract, the other is that he is going to sign for a third year and spend this year training youngsters but without a salary. To be honest - I don't beleive either!

You are not getting Kirkmond - that was Durham Giant starting a rumour off a joke between me and a friend.
You are not getting Larne Patrick - he's a prop and very little up front at present and he's played 5 of the last 5 scoring 3 tries.
You are not getting Griffin - same as above re weight.
You shouldn't get Aspinwall - he's scored 3 from 4 too I think.
I doubt you are getting cash. We don't pay fees.

By letting him go now we get £x, how much may we lose in league position money at end of season if we finish lower than we should? Hypathetical I know but at the end of the season, when it's all totted up, would it be a mistake????

bloody hell we giving him away now??

What happens if it has gone way out of our control ? remember Shudds are also involved in this and I bet they have been chipping away at him for months. If he still wants to play and give 100% its a no brainer we should do all we can to keep him. If Shudds want to take him now and also conviced DB its best for him to go ,then he may as well go. Just remember what they did to Griffin, they got to him before the season started and look how he turned out.

For me, if he wants out much better to let it happen and hope it works out for everyone.

Yes it would, a massive mistake.

Do you agree though that for Wakey to let one of their key players go now there has to be a really good deal offered from our perspective. We are unlikely to be able to replace Brough before the end of the season and perhaps you are breaking your rule of no transfer fees to force our hand.

I don't buy into we need the money, we have just saved a fair wedge on Newton's wage and if we needed the money we would just keep that and not bother trying to sign Cooke.

I have no idea on names at all - except that they are not any of those allegedly involved in any incidents! I have heard that we gave a list of 5 players that we would be interested in - and that's as far as the trail goes.

You may not pay cash, but there may be some 'under-writing' of contracts - which amounts to a similar thing, and it keeps your policy intact.

Interesting few days ahead - shame it didn't all happen in the close-season!

Then presumabley you aren't getting danny, well this season anyway??
To be honest Robinson ran him ragged so why you want him I don't know?!?!?

ok but we wont be letting him go for nowt and it would have to be to our benfit or we would say no.

Robinson is turd except when he plays against us!

ah i see we get the players and their wages are paid for too thus in effect win-win "in kind" payment to us and "policy" remains intact
clever! clever!

Thats why I put that post on, its so difficult to choose the best option. This thing with Brough and Hudds has been going on far too long for there not to be something in it. For me Brough is one of those that has a plaster for every sore, it seems that whatever you offer him there will be something else that doesnt suit him. But back to the big question though, do you let him go or do you make him stay, just glad its not my call. So long as it works out for us I'm not fussed either way.

Your not wrong there, Even when he was at Salford he always saved his best game for us.

Tell you what Wadders old boy, If Broughy does go to your place there will be plenty on your board who have sworn blind that there is no way Brough is going there left with egg on there face