Surely that's Tony Anderson's badge?

Close, but I think Applegarth has taken over. Anderson came in 2002 and saved Fax from relegation in his first season, and while they may have lost a couple more games in 2003 than us this season, they weren't nilled as many times.

. Ply W D L F A Diff Pts

Fax 27 1 0 26 372 1227 -855 0* (*Fax lost the 2 Pts for Salary Cap Breach I think)
Trin 26 4 0* 22 291 686 -686 8* (* We had 3 draws so could have been 9 pts)

Anyway up [uif you solely blame a coach for the results[/u Anderson was worse.

An average of 11 points for has really killed us this year, and by far and away has been the main issue Applegarth hasn't been able to resolve. He stays next year any enthusiasm I have for a fresh start will have dissipated, along with the suggestion that we'll be utilising the dual reg/loan market (although why Carter is commenting on that I dont know).

Leigh have shown the way to go, and if Ellis takes over we need quality, not cast offs.

Eitherway I'll still be the next February/March.

These 3 question pretty much frame up my take on the car crash if a season. Answer these and you answer what is wrong with the club.

You are correct that not being able to score points has killed us......but it was not unsolved, it just came too late.
First 13 league games we averaged 6 points per game.
Second 13 league games we averaged 16 points per game.

If Sculthorpe thinks he’s a good coach, then maybe he wouldn’t mind seeing him be the next coach of St Helens then.

He’s not a good coach and no amount of statistical manipulation, bending of theoretical physics, barrage of celebrity PR announcements or sympathy searching statements from Carter & Minards will change the lived experience of fans and players alike during this monstrosity of a season!

Il have a go then
1 big dave came back into the club saw it was a shambles on the field and stuck his hand up and basically said I'm going to lead from the front. Atoni and a few others even proctor in a few games went with him stuck their hand up and thought right wel roll our sleeves up and have a go.
2 it was plainly obvious from the start of the season that proctors legs had gone but we continued with him when we could of played young lads like eseh and crowther.
3 poaching was offered proctor but didn't want as like I said his legs had gone, poaching departs, one of the coach or Carter still sign proctor. That's my take on it

Yes but I wanted the actual answer, not your assumptions. But thanks anyway.

Your not going to get the answers from those responsible because it would admit they were wrong.
I thought you defended Proctor when I said why was he selected and you quoted his history in the second row as the reason.

I didn't defend him at all. I just pointed out where you were wrong.

Nothing much to disagree with there, when you look at minutes Proctor as been on the pitch, we have had to play 3/4 of most games with 16 players and I'm probably been generous to him there.

When you post like this it makes for good and interesting reading.

The point is, we all can see the issue. There's no doubting that. I just don't understand why.
There's no point speculating. Only Mash can answer it.

Yes, and we will probably never know.

Scarlet appeared on this board with one single agenda, just after Michael Carter took over. I therefore expect him to leave and continue his stalking elsewhere once MC quits.

I’d be happy if he just stopped moaning

I am going nowhere just to satisfy your dream of utopia without any dissenting voices to remind you of the actual facts that the current incumbents have overseen the destruction of our squad, appointed a coach who was clearly not good enough but did not sack him and then the ultimate humiliation relegation. They follow this up with a championship strategy that stands no chance of success unless they can guarantee no injuries but it does allow them to reduce the budget once again.
I believe it is a complete abdication of their duties to the club and supporters but not some of you, who still think they are not to blame despite the facts which are clear to see.
I will be glad when they are gone, I am not going to deny it and based on history it would be difficult for any new owner to do worse with regards the on field product of the last few seasons.I suppose I lack the hero worship syndrome of some of you.

They haven't even decided what squad they are having and you are already having a dig.
Can you remember a time when you were happy?

I'm also not sure why you are so against the plan to get some loan signings in.
We've had some great loan signings in the past like Kirmond and Hadley.

It's a way to get a fringe super league player in your team that would be out of reach to sign for a permanent contract. Other championship teams will be doing it.
Maybe even season long loan for someone like Eseh if he signs elsewhere if they think he's not ready.

Go on the "Some Nice News" thread and give Big Dave some positive congratulations. You will feel a lot better.

Loans I'm not so concerned about, dual reg I am. It works for the senior partner in getting game time for their fringe players, but the junior partner, by all accounts, you can prep with those players and they could be pulled last minute, leaving you short.

Plus it screams small time.

They haven't even looked at that yet. He says they might look at it.
Just a bit too keen to find something wrong with what he says. Just wait to see what they all come up with and choose your moaning strategy.

I get what you are saying about proctor, as it was plain for all to see , he simply hasn’t got any better the whole season. But my point is , surely he should have had a medical or fitness assessment before a shed load of money was thrown his way especially his age and years in the NRL which will have taken its toll .Remember Gale signing for leeds and watched the program of the tough medical he had to go through to prove that his Achilles injury had fully healed .

Indeed. From the brave keyboard warriors. The armchair critics. The know nowt know alls, who pontificate and slag off the staff, players and club almost every week, yet still keep coming back. Unfortunately