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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"There is one person in this discussion who knows the exact sums offered, and it ain't you, and the person who does has said it didn't interest him. I'd take his judgement over yours.'"
So carter does want more money?
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| Quote ="RED LEAGUE"So carter does want more money?'"
You're an idiot
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"You're an idiot'"
Why because I'm saying it how it is. Yep I must be then.
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| Quote ="RED LEAGUE"Didn't mention money I said the space on the Salary cap. All of those clubs above will be spent up to the cap.'"
With the number of players that you have signed, you may need to swot up on just how the cap works.
Unless some of your players are splitting their income, between work down at the stables and playing RL, you're going to have fun being under the cap.
You may be advised trying to find some additional fans for your shiny new stadium.
Even our perpetually struggling club attracts numbers of fans that Dr K can only dream about.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"With the number of players that you have signed, you may need to swot up on just how the cap works.
Unless some of your players are splitting their income, between work down at the stables and playing RL, you're going to have fun being under the cap.
You may be advised trying to find some additional fans for your shiny new stadium.
Even our perpetually struggling club attracts numbers of fans that Dr K can only dream about.
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Your spot on our attendances are as about as good as your accounts, fans come with a winning team simple if Marwan builds a winning team they'll come.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"There is no deal to be done? Salford have made 2 offers. Both refused. No further offer forthcoming. Therefore no decision left to be made?'"
thanks for that...when folk from within the game start saying its true I believed it ...so glad its not . We need the beard to be Feared
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| Quote ="RED LEAGUE"Why because I'm saying it how it is. Yep I must be then.'"
No - because you're confusing what you think with "how it is".
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| Quote ="RED LEAGUE"So carter does want more money?'"
More than you've offered so far yes.
We dont want to sell Danny and he doesn't want to go, however if Dr Moneybags offers a ridiculous fee then yes that may change things. So far however you haven't offered enough for us to consider it worthwhile when taking into account what it would cost the club in terms of support.
Thanks for your input, now do one!!
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| The only thing I will say on this is that if there is the potential that we may need to sell DK, then given the strength of felling amongst the fans, I would hope that via the ST we would be told how much we needed to raise to avoid the situation and the timescale applicable. This would at least allow us the opportunity to try and do something about it.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"The only thing I will say on this is that if there is the potential that we may need to sell DK, then given the strength of felling amongst the fans, I would hope that via the ST we would be told how much we needed to raise to avoid the situation and the timescale applicable. This would at least allow us the opportunity to try and do something about it.'"
A good suggestion but it would be a waste of time. The fans have spoken. Why should they fork out to keep the better players at the club?!
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"A good suggestion but it would be a waste of time. The fans have spoken. Why should they fork out to keep the better players at the club?!'"
I see your point, but I for one would at least want to know I had the opportunity to contribute and stop it happening and am sure others would do too if they could. It would also give agent xiii chance to do something positive!
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"A good suggestion but it would be a waste of time. The fans have spoken. Why should they fork out to keep the better players at the club?!'"
Don't know where I heard this one but I think we could put £1 on the entrance fee in order to ........
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"I see your point, but I for one would at least want to know I had the opportunity to contribute and stop it happening and am sure others would do too if they could. It would also give agent xiii chance to do something positive!'"
Apologies for being facetious. It is a good point and there will be many who would contribute but to raise £100k + would be a huge order when many won't (not including the people who can't) pay for a season ticket to keep the squad broadly intact.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Apologies for being facetious. It is a good point and there will be many who would contribute but to raise £100k + would be a huge order when many won't (not including the people who can't) pay for a season ticket to keep the squad broadly intact.'"
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If we could get a straight £100K for DK or better still a little bit more, I think it would make good business sense to sell him on.
In fact I believe all the deals done so far have been very good business if the figures quoted are true.
What worries the hell out of me is that there are no players being signed up. If we start to sign some decent replacements It may get some positivity back into our fanbase,
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| I guess its a double edged sword for us at the minute.
We are reluctant to sell but until the debt is bridged; signing players will be bloody tricky - and for obvious reasons.
It could be argued that holding onto players is delaying the rebuild, but personaly think its the right thing to do.
Others may disagree of course but i'd prefer us to keep hold of players such as DK as long as possible - if we think that at some point we will reach the tipping point and things will be going back in our favour.
If MC did not think this was going to be the case then you could argue not selling was putting us behind the eight ball for recruiting for next season, so i am assuming this is the case; which is heartening IMO of course.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"If we start to sign some decent replacements It may get some positivity back into our fanbase,'"
Agreed, the sooner the better. It may be even more of a reason to cheer England on this weekend if they end up playing France.
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| agree with you Kinley.
it's OK saying "we can build a team around Kirmond", but keeping Kirmond means it'll be hard to make any signings.... Argh.
I thought him signing a new contract was a shrewd move to inflate his value, although this was just the Hercule Poirot coming out in me
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"agree with you Kinley.
it's OK saying "we can build a team around Kirmond", but keeping Kirmond means it'll be hard to make any signings.... Argh.
I thought him signing a new contract was a shrewd move to inflate his value, although this was just the Hercule Poirot coming out in me'"
Note to self: never borrow loose change from DAVE@CAS.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"agree with you Kinley.
it's OK saying "we can build a team around Kirmond", but keeping Kirmond means it'll be hard to make any signings.... Argh.
I thought him signing a new contract was a shrewd move to inflate his value, although this was just the Hercule Poirot coming out in me'"
Must be the moustache!
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| Shock horror, another Danny Kirmond to Salford related topic and RED LEAGUE is all over it (again) embarrassing himself and 99.999% of the rest of us Salford fans. Can you please refrain from advising Michael Carter on how to save Wakefield RLFC, he seems to be doing a very good job of it on his own. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to make the decisions he is, but it would seem (from an outsiders perspective) he is only making them in order to do the very best he can for the future of the club. I hope Wakefield aren’t required to sell Danny Kirmond, but if they are its obvious it will only be because there is no alternative. If Michael Carter was just after the cash, he would have accepted our previous two offers. Clearly he wants Danny Kirmond to stay at Wakefield just as much as the rest of the fans.
Best of luck for the near future.
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| I am one of many genuine Salford fans who wish WTW the very best in difficult times. I have read the posts that Red League has put on your forum and would like to redress the balance.
I remember last year when we were in a similar position to yourselves. It's an awful feeling when the club you love is in the balance. I personally would support Salford if they were playing in the amateur leagues.
Last Christmas time I attended a meeting and came out thinking there'd be no more Salford for me or anyone else for that matter. I was distraught and after watching salford for about 40 years thought the time had come.
At the time everyone was slagging off John Wilkinson who tried for 30 years to keep our club going. Due to a number of reasons, new ground costs, the economy, his personal business declining he just about kept Salford going.
Then the good Doctor came along and we were in a better position. It was too late to do anything for this year but we had a season where our youngsters played really well. Although we finished bottom the youngsters performed admirably. It's a season I never thought we'd have but I'm sure all Salford fans preferred having a team to support.
What I'm really saying is to get behind Mr Carter because what I understand, he has personally uinvested a lot into WTW. Try and understand that some that things happen behind the scenes are for the future of WTW and we don't know all the facts.
Support your team as best you can and I hope to have many more trips over to Wakey between our two clubs.
Once againn sorry about the lack of compassion and understanding from "Red League" and all the best in your fight.
All the best.
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| Cheers guys.
Most of us are aware how embarrassing Red League is to all decent Salford fans.
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| Thanks guys. It is nice to hear from sensible posters.
You guys are always welcome on here.
If Danny does go, please don't suggest Red League as part of the deal. He has to stay with you no matter what.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Cheers guys.
Most of us are aware how embarrassing Red League is to all decent Salford fans.'"
Perhaps you need to recognise that saying 'D*nny K*rm*nd' (see what I did there?) is like saying 'Beetlejuice' three times.
On a vaguely related note - and at the risk of taking this thread off topic (not necessarily a bad thing) - how has Wakefield ended up in this situation? I genuinely don't know what happened and have wanted to ask but didn't want to start a thread about it, as I can fully appreciate having Salford fans on here isn't what you want at the moment (thanks for that, Red League). Last season you seemed to be pulling in decent crowds and were on the up.
Best of luck. We know what you are going through, and most of us recognise how awful it is.
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