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| It's not a comparison between ted and glover. What good does that do us or the franchise?
It's glovers chance to show his worth and his responsibility now. I thank him for taking us on and it looks good so far but I think we all appreciate there is more to do.
The comment of what's going on behind closed doors above rings true.
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| Im comparing owners ! As Ted was there when Peter Row was there i.e. this is why im talking about Ted what is the topic???? == Peter Roe !!!
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| NGB4C! with all that is going on has, gone on etc there must be plenty of stuff you can replace Atkins and that tart off BB at the bottom of your posts.
Keep the Toby, by all means, but dump the other two please.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Have you noticed the new found buzz around the place. We have a team that arent world beaters but yet there is a buzz around Belle Vue its not just me fans are believing again that we could go somewhere with this guy. This is because your beloved Ted as left. He was driving this club into the ground. Can't you see the changes Mr Glover is making???? Hes allready done more than Ted in 3 month than Ted as done for 5 years. We needed change and its benefiting us. Ted was untrustworthy Mr Glover is a breath of fresh air.Just becuase you are some kind of friend of Ted and im sure hes in touch with you now
??? No ! Mr Glover deserves his chance he is young and hungry and its helping the club. You are just Bitter !!!'"
To be fair you seem more intent on provoking certain individuals on here into another ted vs glover competition just so you can bag ted himself.
In all honesty nobody has said glover has done anything other than make any positive steps. Nobody is saying glover has been bad for the club but just cautious at this stage and that is understandable.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"To be fair you seem more intent on provoking certain individuals on here into another ted vs glover competition just so you can bag ted himself.
In all honesty nobody has said glover has done anything other than make any positive steps. Nobody is saying glover has been bad for the club but just cautious at this stage and that is understandable.'"
Read the Topic !
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| Why, does it say ted vs glover??
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| I think what a lot of AG has done already is more than cosmetic.
Full boxes, new catering that trin profit from, bar promotions, cats bar, advertising, ticket promotions, people walking round selling cold drinks/beers etc.
Sure they dont cost the earth but they are revenue streams. Maximise these to maximise profits. This is the way to a bigger fan base, spending to the cap, business franchise points etc
Cosmetics I would suggest are paint jobs etc that dont in them selves make money.
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| Like talking to a brick wall. It says Peter Roe who was in charge when he was here it was Ted. Its important Mr Glover treats people better than what Ted did. Stop argueing at look at the facts !
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Why, does it say ted vs glover??'"
I can understand a few references to Ted and Co but we all need to move on, we can't live in the past. AG is the new owner and you either back him or you don't.
Its SAD.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I haven't given a great deal of thought until now as to weather he's grinding an axe or not (if im honest i probably thought he might be after his stint) but if as you say he was paid up in full by the club, then he should have no reason (as you rightly say) to be bitter.
So perhaps he's just saying it as it is, i've also heard something similar, from elsewhere (although this could be associated with bitterness or the renewed enthusiasm, i don't know) maybe the honest truth is/was, we had no chance of gaining a franchise under TR for whatever reasons, and now we are moving in a more professional manner we are looking a different prospect? Just a guess.
Now as for being a cheerleader for AG, me? certainly not. A cheerleader for good management of the club i love dearly? dead right.
If TR had run the club over the last few years in such a proactive manner, i would have supported him, but he didnt.
Now what i want to know is why, when there is such positivity round the place, do you feel the need to bring gloom and negativity, because that's what it is, you aren't just stoicly swimming against the tide as you may want us to think?
Nobody is saying everything is perfect, just better than it was, but all you do is post negativity, lies/mis-truths and then try and hide behind others ('im still waiting for AI to back you up by the way) when you are proved to do so.
Clearly you are a fan of long standing, but i fear your love of TR far outweighs your love of the club.
Going back to your anti AG post on the Belle Vue thread, if as i thought you were a member of SWAG i dont understand how you could post such comments knowing that they were at that meeting and so was AG, clearly you are not kept in the know or are creating mischief.
I think you need to stop acting like a spoilt child who's not got his own way and thrown a temper tantrum and start supporting the "club" you claim to love, nobody expects you to like everything thats going on, just get behind the momentum when we have it.
There will be problems in the future, as long as they are addressed in the professional manner they have been so far i will support AG, if he goes down the TR route i will be the first to decry him.
My Loyalty is to Wakefield Triniity Wildcats, not one man, and despite what you might think, currently things are vastly improved and perhaps, just perhaps the RFL may look upon us differently now (although I'm not throwing away my A-Z of NL1 clubs though just yet
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Whilst I can only dream that I could have the loyalty of someone such as you I can but try - you're such a wally you really are.
Let me assure you that though I could never attain your level of understanding or comprehension of everything my loyalty to the club is 100% whilst my loyalty to Ted a man I have never met outside of SWAG business is secondary
Has it ever crossed your mind that the reason I ended up in a position to know Ted and co was so I could find out what was happening, be involved and have the first hand detail to make my own mind up. This was preferable to having to listen to self proclaimed experts such as yourself who frankly seem to think they know it all despite an utter inability to view it from any other angle than that which suits the their own bitter agenda. All you really want to do is kick a man when he's down, you can flower it up any way you like but that's what you really enjoy. a good old fashioned scapegoat.
I'm not loyal to Ted anymore than I am unloyal to AG - I'll leave such childish and lame preoccupations to you. Fact is I know the full(ish) story and history regarding Ted era first hand. Thus due to my modest involvement I am in a position to make a first hand assessment. It's not the final say on the issue it's just my view of events. I wasn't that in the know but it's based on some first hand knowledge at least. And thats really kills you, myself and a group of people who won't be cow towed into accepting your baseless finger pointing version of events.
TR made some big mistakes and made a gamble that didn't pay off, but ultimately he was guilty of nothing more than eventually killing off a club that had been on it's last legs for 30+ years and simply had to die. Wow, like that's the first time that's happened in sport or business in general. A club ironically he'd done more to keep alive than most, especially after Pearman when there was no AG in the wings to save the day and when by rights the club should have ceased to exist. If you were anything like the loyal fan you claim to be you know all that wouldn't you. Your comment on good management is especially hilarious, you base this on 4 month at the helm, jeez give your brain a rest.
What you are is a bandwagon jumper - who I guarantee will be the first to jump ship when/if things go wrong for AG - I can see it now. And there will be big problems because RL is not a business, not even close and your silly notions that it is would have any SL Chairman is hysterics. To be honest you make me feel a touch nauseous if I'm honest (and you like honesty) when you try to apply your homespun theories.
Ted is long gone, and unless you are in a position to take out a private prosecution using the mountains of of evidence you almost certainly don't possess it's best left that way Andrew Glover is now in charge and warrants exactly the same scrutiny than anyone else would in that position - Wakefield Trinity is not one man is it - only a fool would think otherwise.
Now feel free to splutter out some more bile in response, you seem to have plenty.
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| I see from your pov there walrus and I say cosmetic as these alot of those things listed should be expected from a proffessional business in the top league.
We have lacked these for a while and glover has brought them up to scratch which I think needs applauding.
Now he has done a few things that are a bit more than cosmetic re; tv adds and ticket offers mainly which have been positive aswell.
As for spending full cap we aren't doing that as yet and if he fulfills that promise ( maybe dependant on franchise) then that is more of a substantial change.
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| i agree ted and what is past is past. We know that the past regime had flaws and we don't need to dwell on it.
The new regime is important and so far so good.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"i agree ted and what is past is past. We know that the past regime had flaws and we don't need to dwell on it.
The new regime is important and so far so good.'"
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| Quote ="vastman"Whilst I can only dream that I could have the loyalty of someone such as you I can but try
- you're such a wally you really are.
Let me assure you that though I could never attain your level of understanding or comprehension of everything my loyalty to the club is 100% whilst my loyalty to Ted a man I have never met outside of SWAG business is secondary
Has it ever crossed your mind that the reason I ended up in a position to know Ted and co was so I could find out what was happening, be involved and have the first hand detail to make my own mind up. This was preferable to having to listen to self proclaimed experts such as yourself who frankly seem to think they know it all despite an utter inability to view it from any other angle than that which suits the their own bitter agenda. All you really want to do is kick a man when he's down, you can flower it up any way you like but that's what you really enjoy. a good old fashioned scapegoat.
I'm not loyal to Ted anymore than I am unloyal to AG - I'll leave such childish and lame preoccupations to you. Fact is I know the full(ish) story and history regarding Ted era first hand. Thus due to my modest involvement I am in a position to make a first hand assessment. It's not the final say on the issue, I wasn't that in the know but it's based on some first hand knowledge. And thats really kills you, myself and a group of people who won't be cow towed into accepting your baseless finger pointing version of events.
TR made some big mistakes and made a gamble that didn't pay off, but ultimately he was guilty of nothing more than eventually killing off a club that had been on it's last legs for 30+ years. Wow, like that's the first time that's happened in sport of business in general. A club ironically he'd done more to keep alive than most, especially after Pearman when there was no AG in the wings to save the day and when by rights the club should have ceased to exist. If you were anything like the loyal fan you claim to be you know all that wouldn't you.
What you are is a bandwagon jumper - who I guarantee will be the first to jump ship when/if things go wrong for AG - I can see it now. To be honest you make me feel a touch nauseous if I'm honest (and you like honesty)
Ted is long gone, and unless you are in a position to take out a private prosecution using the mountains of of evidence you almost certainly don't possess it's best left that way Andrew Glover is now in charge and warrants exactly the same scrutiny than anyone else would in that position - Wakefield Trinity is not one man is it - only a fool would think otherwise.
Now feel free to splutter out some more bile in response, you seem to have plenty.'"
The usual level of bluff and bluster from the self appointed self righteous vastman. A comprehensive assessment of nothing.
I was trying to help you out, but, you keep posting the negatives and you show yourself as the twisted fool you are.
Try and come to some sense, see that things have improved and show some level of support for someone who is trying to make a decent show out of "our" club.
In case you haven't noticed the band waggon you jumped on has gone and left you looking foolish.
AG is at this time the future of our club, lets back him 100% show him what this club is about, you dont have to over excite yourself too much, but at least back him when he's/they are working hard to clean up the mess and put us on a even footing.
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| Quote ="vastman"Correct, just need to keep an eye on the new lot whoever they may be.'"
Its a shame you weren't keeping an eye on the old lot, oh hang on you were!
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| Can you feel the love??
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| Quote ="vastman" Correct, just need to keep an eye on the new lot whoever they may be.'"
Quote ="kinleycat"Its a shame you weren't keeping an eye on the old lot, oh hang on you were!
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Can't believe you two didn't get together to create this one-two. Better than Morcambe and Wise!
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| Quote ="vastman"a group of people who won't be cow towed'"
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| both are serious breaches in human rights!!!
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| and possibly animal welfare issues!!!
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| I back Mr Glover 100% and our crowds this year it looks like others are too.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Its a shame you weren't keeping an eye on the old lot, oh hang on you were!
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Was I - that's another one to add to my list of war crimes against kinleycat.
Ha, just noticed the three stooges posted in a row, dumb and dumber and well who the hell knows
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| Quote ="kinleycat"The usual level of bluff and bluster from the self appointed self righteous vastman. A comprehensive assessment of nothing.
I was trying to help you out, but, you keep posting the negatives and you show yourself as the twisted fool you are.
Try and come to some sense, see that things have improved and show some level of support for someone who is trying to make a decent show out of "our" club.
In case you haven't noticed the band waggon you jumped on has gone and left you looking foolish.
AG is at this time the future of our club, lets back him 100% show him what this club is about, you dont have to over excite yourself too much, but at least back him when he's/they are working hard to clean up the mess and put us on a even footing.
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From the man who felt he knew me well enough to presume I had Ted Richardson's interests above the clubs - that's a bit rich. Your arrogance and conceit clearly knows no bounds.
This inability to differentiate between a genuine and fair minded cautious approach to the new regime and disloyalty and criticism is becoming tiresome - is your mind not functioning properly? If so I'll leave you alone - I don't want to appear to be picking on you, otherwise I suggest we all move on.
I won't reply to you again on this one, I'll let you have the last word - I suspect you're used to that.
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| Quote ="vastman"Was I - that's another one to add to my list of war crimes against kinleycat.
Ha, just noticed the three stooges posted in a row, dumb and dumber and well who the hell knows
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You need to start reading your own posts.
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| Quote ="vastman"Was I - that's another one to add to my list of war crimes against kinleycat.
Ha, just noticed the three stooges posted in a row, dumb and dumber and well who the hell knows
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Leave me out of it smiler - we might disagree on most things, but you can't lump me in with NGB4C; that's a low blow!
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