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| Quote ="dboy"Is the super bowl site also covered by the ACV?'"
No, but there are issues linked to access to the rugby ground.
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| I don't think for one minute that the Muslim community gives a toot about R L and the club in the area. I can see this becoming very messy and the council will have to take care . The one things that's for sure is that the Muslim community will band together to raise funds in a very short period of time.
What's next on the agenda from the club's point of view.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"I don't think for one minute that the Muslim community gives a toot about R L and the club in the area. I can see this becoming very messy and the council will have to take care . The one things that's for sure is that the Muslim community will band together to raise funds in a very short period of time.
What's next on the agenda from the club's point of view.'"
One step at a time!
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| So thing at a critical stage . Can the fans assist now and if not should we be prepared to jump to it at a later stage.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"So thing at a critical stage . Can the fans assist now and if not should we be prepared to jump to it at a later stage.
Good luck .'"
Nothing planned at this stage, but it could change quite quickly.
The ACV had to wait until a new lease was in place and then another of technical issues were resolved, but was one of the issues we've been dealing with.
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| Quote ="TRB"No, that's not right - unless they intend to use it as a Rugby League ground, for it is registered as valued to the Rugby League fans and its community. Anyone else wanting to buy it would be seen as outside our community.
You do know this is good news and something we've been working on for a long time!?'"
It still doesn't mean the bank has to sell it to the trust. If, for example, the trust offers the 600K and the Mosque group offers 700K, whose bid do you think they will take even it it means waiting a few extra months? And once they have it expect the rent to quickly go up unsustainable levels at the reviews and the change of use can then be applied for once they have got shut of us. The ACV may be helpful in that it buys us time but it doesn't really change much ultimately. I don't wish to undermine anyones efforts on achieving this but i'd be a lot more confident of it's effectiveness if it was a different group we were bidding against, they will throw as much money at this as needed to get the result they want.
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| I thought the "Mosque" group were only interested in the Super bowl building not BV? Isn't the idea to convert SB into a mega mosque?
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"It still doesn't mean the bank has to sell it to the trust. If, for example, the trust offers the 600K and the Mosque group offers 700K, whose bid do you think they will take even it it means waiting a few extra months? And once they have it expect the rent to quickly go up unsustainable levels at the reviews and the change of use can then be applied for once they have got shut of us. The ACV may be helpful in that it buys us time but it doesn't really change much ultimately. I don't wish to undermine anyones efforts on achieving this but i'd be a lot more confident of it's effectiveness if it was a different group we were bidding against, they will throw as much money at this as needed to get the result they want.'"
Of course they don't have to sell to the Trust but they cannot sell to anyone but the Trust for 6 months. They may choose to wait but using your example.
What if the £700,000 bid has conditions attached such as obtaining planning etc. But the £600,000 is unconditional. The bank can have £600,000 now or wait a fair amount of time,possibly 12 months or more with all the associated risks of the deal falling through. They may choose to take the unconditional offer.
Also a simple solution in your example is that the Trust could increase its bid to £700,000'.
One thing is clear that without the ACV we would not be having this discussion, we could bu out of Belle Vue .
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The trust could up their bid but so could the other party. And in the meantime the bank is still earning revenue from us via the rent so another 12 months probably won't matter to them so much if the gain at the end is greater. In fact they could push the rent cost back up themselves in october to force the issue.
Apologies but i'm just overly negative where this club and ground issues are concerned. Its been one disappointment after another for so long that until i see the deeds back in the club/trusts name then i'm scepitical of anything going right!
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| Can anyone enlighten me as to why it is so wrong for one stand up for the traditions and beliefs that one was raised with.
All I ever ask for is fairness, not the suppression of the above feelings.
That has absolutely nothing to do with racial or religious prejudice.
The irony is that some sectors are allowed to vociferously and aggressively progress their beliefs.
On a personal level I have worked with and socialised with people from a wide variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds.
I say again fairness ,not political correctness.
Let's all hope that the above appertains as decisions are made which will affect so drastically the future of the Rugby League Club I love so much.
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The other party cannot up their bid in the 6 months moratorium - only the Trust can negotiate during this period. If the seller wants to allow other parties to up their bids he has to wait 6 months and do it all again.
I can understand your frustration but how do you think we who are living and breathing this pretty much everyday feel. Others involved in this process will agree that I'm one of the most cynical bar stewards that there is but we have to go along with what's happening and hope for a positive outcome because the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
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| So can we say 100% that Newmarket is officially dead cos we have nothing about NM just bv ??
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Can anyone enlighten me as to why it is so wrong for one stand up for the traditions and beliefs that one was raised with.
All I ever ask for is fairness, not the suppression of the above feelings.
That has absolutely nothing to do with racial or religious prejudice.
The irony is that some sectors are allowed to vociferously and aggressively progress their beliefs.
On a personal level I have worked with and socialised with people from a wide variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds.
I say again fairness ,not political correctness.
Let's all hope that the above appertains as decisions are made which will affect so drastically the future of the Rugby League Club I love so much.'"
It's nothing to do with traditional beliefs or ethnicity. You need to think of the mosque in the same way as if it were, say, B&Q wanting to build a superstore that would attract custom to the area and jobs. That could gain much more local support from those people in Agbrigg who would benefit from having a new employer close by and the ability to buy a hammer at 8.45pm. As far as the Bank of Ireland are concerned, their duty is to their shareholders and to get the best possible price. As for those wanting a mosque, it's just a big fat parcel of land on their doorstep. The fact that they are muslims is irrelevant. It's the fact that there is land and another interested buyer.
The issue isn't that they are muslims. It's the fact that someone else owns that plot and owns Belle Vue, and the blame for that can be found in numerous steps in the last thirty years of Trinity ownership.
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I don't envy what you have gone through in the slightest and have complete respect for all your efforts, please don't ever doubt that. I certainly wouldn't have had the patience. And you are correct that the alternative outcome doesn't bear thinking about. But as a word of caution what is supposed to happen in the ACV and what actually does on the qt are two completely different things, trust me i've seen it happen. In the end money talks and given who the opposition is it is that worries me more than it would if it was a commercial business or a developer who were in it for a profit. Everything is crossed for a fair fight and a positive outcome.
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Jeez, if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle!
If, but, maybe. I'm not going to explore all the possibilities on here, but I'm sure glad we've done what we have!
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| What we need now just to top up todays brilliant win is some positive news about bv or nm
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"It's nothing to do with traditional beliefs or ethnicity. You need to think of the mosque in the same way as if it were, say, B&Q wanting to build a superstore that would attract custom to the area and jobs. That could gain much more local support from those people in Agbrigg who would benefit from having a new employer close by and the ability to buy a hammer at 8.45pm. As far as the Bank of Ireland are concerned, their duty is to their shareholders and to get the best possible price. As for those wanting a mosque, it's just a big fat parcel of land on their doorstep. The fact that they are muslims is irrelevant. It's the fact that there is land and another interested buyer.
The issue isn't that they are muslims. It's the fact that someone else owns that plot and owns Belle Vue, and the blame for that can be found in numerous steps in the last thirty years of Trinity ownership.'"
Yeh your reply exhibits exactly the point I am trying g to make.
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| I maybe off the mark but comparing a mosque to B&Q is a bit lop sided, I know a lot of people like to worship at B&Q on a Sunday and if your over 65, on a Wednesday.
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| Quote ="TRB"
I'm sure you are. I'll take your previous track record as a guide to whether i'll proceed with confidence.
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In that case you won't mind me taking your track record in terms of contribution.
I'm a nobody, but I do try, and in trying we've kept this process alive when it could so easily have been buried long since!
There is still hope!
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| I'm having a problem imagining the good people of Agbrigg forming a line outside B & Q with an application in hand. Interesting thought though.
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We are all nobodies in the scheme of things, that is the problem, the players are the money men. Yeah there is hope and hell i desperatley hope we are successful but every bit of 'good news' we ever get tends to have lead us to absolutely nowhere other than back to square one hence my cynicism. And ACV's sound great on paper but in reality the effect they end up having is minimal in anything other than buying a bit of time. Thats handy to have yes but it isn't a game breaker, it still comes down to money at the end of the day. Been there, done it, seen the pub become a tesco. Still onwards and upwards. Hopefully.
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You are right, it's no good on its own, but it is helpful towards the current situation. It's also taken some doing, so it's a small, but significant win. It also marks a genuine positive contribution from the much derided council!
Don't get me wrong, it doesn't absolve them of blame for where we are, but it could mark the beginning of a new attitdude towards resolving our situation!
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Its about time they did something useful thats for sure. Keep a close eye on them though, they will now think that they've done enough for us for another couple of years. Don't trust them!!
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