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| Quote ="jonh"A fullback is probably the most influential player in attack these days.
Kay has done an adequate job catching the ball and tackling….but that is no longer the job of a 1.
Without a specialist 1 our attack is always going to struggle as they play as the third creative pivot and are relied on to create a lot of assists by nearly every club.
I’m not a betting man but when Max returns I can see him moving to 6 with Dagger at 1 which will give us more pace and threat in the backline than we have had all year.'"
Just what I was thinking, jonh....Max has played 6 before and done quite a good job IIRC, so if Smith doesn't cut the mustard there, then at least we have another attacking option when Max does come back
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| Quote ="FIL"Just what I was thinking, jonh....Max has played 6 before and done quite a good job IIRC, so if Smith doesn't cut the mustard there, then at least we have another attacking option when Max does come back
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Smith will not get a go at six until Gaskell is injured again ,. Said in a post that max should play 6 but will not ,for same reason as Smith
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| For all we know, this 'deal' may well save the club.
I don't like that we had to do it and different decisions in the past may have avoided it but we are where we are.
No one liked it when Spencer and Lyons went to Leeds but that deal absolutely saved us.
I almost don't care how many Sts beat us by if they do. I want the game to be used as prep for the attack against Cas. We have to win that game and we wouldn't have won it without a fullback. We need to give him all the opportunity he needs to gel with the team.
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| Quote ="PopTart"For all we know, this 'deal' may well save the club.
I don't like that we had to do it and different decisions in the past may have avoided it but we are where we are.
No one liked it when Spencer and Lyons went to Leeds but that deal absolutely saved us.
I almost don't care how many Sts beat us by if they do. I want the game to be used as prep for the attack against Cas. We have to win that game and we wouldn't have won it without a fullback. We need to give him all the opportunity he needs to gel with the team.'"
When Spencer went to Leeds we got 5 players for him .Including one of the best centres we have ever had at the club Toppo did us proud with that deal
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| Quote ="alegend"When Spencer went to Leeds we got 5 players for him .Including one of the best centres we have ever had at the club Toppo did us proud with that deal'"
But none were wanted at Leeds.
They got Spencer and Lyons
We got Rayne, Fox, Mason and Conway. All in Leeds opinion not worthy of first team rugby.
As you say, best deal ever, but no-one wanted to lose Spencer or Lyons. They were young and the best players we had.
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| Quote ="PopTart"For all we know, this 'deal' may well save the club.
I don't like that we had to do it and different decisions in the past may have avoided it but we are where we are.
No one liked it when Spencer and Lyons went to Leeds but that deal absolutely saved us.
I almost don't care how many Sts beat us by if they do. I want the game to be used as prep for the attack against Cas. We have to win that game and we wouldn't have won it without a fullback. We need to give him all the opportunity he needs to gel with the team.'"
That was a genius deal iirc. Keith Rayne, Andy Mason, Mark Conway, Phil Fox.
Andy Mason was my favourite player. Also, remember those forward passes that Conway used to fire out to Fox on the left wing? Marvellous.
Made watching Trinity good again after some fallow years in the 1980's.
And we got Spenner back a few years later for peanuts.
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| The club’s lack of foresight has cost us one of our most promising players. It was obvious to the majority that we had not got adequate cover for fullback except using Gaskell. We had one lined up who had proved himself in the RWB but no we needed another forward.
I can say without doubt that whoever negotiated the deal with Hull KR was a godsend to them, I bet they couldn’t believe their luck a possible future star for their third choice fullback and no money. We are lucky because if we had more like Hall in our squad other clubs would be beating a track to our door looking for similar deals.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The club’s lack of foresight has cost us one of our most promising players. It was obvious to the majority that we had not got adequate cover for fullback except using Gaskell. We had one lined up who had proved himself in the RWB but no we needed another forward.
I can say without doubt that whoever negotiated the deal with Hull KR was a godsend to them, I bet they couldn’t believe their luck a possible future star for their third choice fullback and no money. We are lucky because if we had more like Hall in our squad other clubs would be beating a track to our door looking for similar deals.'"
And of course everyones favourite player agent Mr Harrison got a payday out of it.
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| People on here and other forums were 'crying out ' for forwards.
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| Quote ="Borderboy"People on here and other forums were 'crying out ' for forwards.'"
And we got one from Huddersfield and one from Wigan.
But a full back was needed far more than a forward imho.
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| We've signed a fulback got a winger on loan a second rower on loan a hooker on loan where's the No 6 we desperately need
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| Quote ="Teltry"We've signed a fulback got a winger on loan a second rower on loan a hooker on loan where's the No 6 we desperately need'"
1 by getting those it frees Smith up to play
2 there are no stand offs available as far as I can see.
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| Going back to the 5-2 swap deal with Leeds,we absolutely stuffed them,and everybody knew it.Spencer was a very good player but lacked a yard of pace.We couldn't believe it, a bit like now with with the CH fiasco.
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| Quote ="Teltry"We've signed a fulback got a winger on loan a second rower on loan a hooker on loan where's the No 6 we desperately need'"
We've got a number 6, he just couldn't play last week due to injury.
Smith and Lino have the makings of a decent little partnership, not world beating but enough to guide a team around the park. It's no coincidence that our best game was against Salford with those two paired.
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| Quote ="FOREVERTRIN"Going back to the 5-2 swap deal with Leeds,we absolutely stuffed them,and everybody knew it.Spencer was a very good player but lacked a yard of pace.We couldn't believe it, a bit like now with with the CH fiasco.'"
Gary Spencer’s performances from Full Back at Leeds Kept Andrew Ettingshausen on the wing until he went to the Coach and threatened to go home unless he got the No1 shirt
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| Well good for Gary Spencer!
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| Quote ="marc271841"Hence my comment about ambition! If we genuinely wanted to help ourselves and our chances of survival, are we soooo skint that we can't throw a bit of caution to the wind?'"
In the days of solomona Sam Obst semi kotkidas ectwe erred always near the bottom of the league but these players were always a joy to watch and gave us great wins I'm afraid players in the team give us nothing not even hope
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4-2 swap deal
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| Quote ="1315trinity"4-2 swap deal'"
Fox, Mason, Conway and Raine I think.
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| Just listened to the podcast featuring both KR and Trinity Chairmen discussing the deal in detail.
KR suggested we instigated the contact although not confirmed by Mr Carter.
The rest is pretty much as expected.
We had to look short term to secure a player that could play at fullback.
Every decision at the moment is a short term decision because it is all about survival in 2023.
Impossible to plan long term with the threat of relegation. Contract extensions offered to players at the club but all have stalled because of the lack of security due to our position.
My main take away though was that Mr Carter insinuated another such deal may be on the horizon which will see a player leave and a middle join.
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| Quote ="jonh"Just listened to the podcast featuring both KR and Trinity Chairmen discussing the deal in detail.
KR suggested we instigated the contact although not confirmed by Mr Carter.
The rest is pretty much as expected.
We had to look short term to secure a player that could play at fullback.
Every decision at the moment is a short term decision because it is all about survival in 2023.
Impossible to plan long term with the threat of relegation. Contract extensions offered to players at the club but all have stalled because of the lack of security due to our position.
My main take away though was that Mr Carter insinuated another such deal may be on the horizon which will see a player leave and a middle join.'"
Yep and if it's the rumour going round it is likely to go down just as well as the last one.
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| Sorry,4-2 swap with Leeds.My initial thought was 4-2 and then somehow latched on to 5-2.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Yep and if it's the rumour going round it is likely to go down just as well as the last one.'"
So what's the rumour ??
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Yep and if it's the rumour going round it is likely to go down just as well as the last one.'"
Assume it will probably be Tanginoa they are negotiating with I would think.
Can’t think of any others clubs may want in exchange for releasing a player to us.
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| Quote ="jonh"Assume it will probably be Tanginoa they are negotiating with I would think.
Can’t think of any others clubs may want in exchange for releasing a player to us.'"
Imagine if Kelepi went to Leigh?
Multiple ironies. Get yourself some popcorn and strap in for the social media scrum.
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