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| Quote ="victarmeldrew"Chris Chester is fast becoming Richard Agar. his loyalty to players who are past it or out of form . and his treatment of our own especially Jowitt who never gets even mentioned by him is just like the treatment of such as Cowling by Agar.'"
It's fair to be critical of Chester but to be compare him to the likes of Agar is well out of order.
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| When you see how many tackles we defended on our line against the widely praised attacking side like Cas, and we had plenty of chances to win, I'd say we did ok.
The weather was not good for either side but once they nudged ahead made it harder to chase a game.
I didn't really agree with the Fifita decision but I can see why they gave it the way they did.
The off side on the line was completely wrong and not only that, some of the angles on the Cas line which showed how off side they were made that even worse. You can't pick and choose those decisions.
There were a few other decisions that were only small, both ways, but those two made a big difference to us.
I'd say the right team won, but it was very close. And that can only be good for us.
We could lose to Hull on Monday and still be a great team that is pushing for top 4 at the business end of the season.
I look forward to the hard grounds and clear weather for us.
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| Not sure why everyone so tetchy with Printer.
A big pack is a good thing for heavy weather as the faster players can't get away from them. He's right.
However, as also said our play isn't to bash big trundling forwards up the middle. We tie players in with those players and off load or play the ball quickly. The heavy forwards logic went out in the 70s.
I think we should be able to adapt a little better but to be honest Cas has a very strong middle defence and our big pack was starting to stress them in the second half. They won because their big defenders really got stuck in.
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| I came away from last nights game really happy with the teams performance. Had a couple of really tough calls against us that both then led to Cas scoring points. No complaints though with the result as I thought Cas hardly put a foot wrong and contained us really well. A close game in horrendous conditions and I think this season is looking bright for both clubs.
That comparison to Agar has to be the daftest comment I've seen on here for a while
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| Quote ="victarmeldrew"Chris Chester is fast becoming Richard Agar. his loyalty to players who are past it or out of form . and his treatment of our own especially Jowitt who never gets even mentioned by him is just like the treatment of such as Cowling by Agar.'"
Which of the players Agar overlooked have proved him wrong?
The only time fans haven't complained about selection is when we only had enough decent players to get 13 players on the field we liked.
But more to the point, you can't play everyone. If Grix is playing better he get's the shirt. I'd be more concerned if Jowitt was being played because he is a local junior rather than playing the form player.
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| Easter weekend, plenty of opportunity to rotate the squad. Thought we went OK last night, had enough chances to win and got over the line 3/4 times. Bit more luck and composure and who knows, we could of won, we didn't. Don't see the need for the nooses all of a sudden.
Chances are we'll be the the 9th to 5th bracket. It's particularly competitive in these positions with all teams capable of beating each other.
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| For me the main difference between the teams last night was game management. Cas were patient, didn't panic when attacking our line, played percentages, the whole team were on the same song sheet, and were disciplined.
We in the first half, pushed passes that led to mistakes and loss of field position, did not take the two - again, were not patient and looked disorganised in attack.
On the plus side I thought we looked great in defence apart from Paulie Paulie who was poor again. Woody looked great, Miller was poor.
Chester has done a good job with the defence but with ball in hand we need to get back to basics of no risk Rugby
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| Quote ="Willzay"10 losses on the bounce against these lost - there is no pride in these derbies anymore.
At the risk of offending, Finn and Grix are starting to make Smith and Mathers look quick. Horo and Pauli are turning out to be uninspired signings.'"
Pauli was decent last night and and I feel for some reason he is getting hard done by on this forum. H ehas been steady away but I think some are expecting him to be some David Fifita. Fifita is top class... Pauli has only played about 4 games and was out with injuries for the last 18 months. Get a grip. Give him some time and he may become a quality forward for us.
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"Pauli was decent last night and and I feel for some reason he is getting hard done by on this forum. H ehas been steady away but I think some are expecting him to be some David Fifita. Fifita is top class... Pauli has only played about 4 games and was out with injuries for the last 18 months. Get a grip. Give him some time and he may become a quality forward for us.'"
Would agree with this. Fifita took time to settle, gave plenty of penalties away and pushed stupid passes. He now has season and a half behind his back and seems to be the clubs talisman.
Pauli ain't gunna get match fit without playing so were going to see the work in progress on the field. That said I didn't think he did too bad last night and if Bishop had somehow managed to collect that offload people would be praising his affect on the team. Fine margins.
Another thing to note is he is competing against seasoned props and not blocking a talented up and coming player.
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| Quote ="steadygetyerboots-on"In fairness I agree with the poster you quoted. The wakey pack may be huge, but they're not the old fashioned lumps who trundle it up. They're fast, fit & have a quick ptb to put their backs away. It's the distribution to those backs that isn't quick enough to do the damage it could, but that's another story!'"
Couldn't disagree more.
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| Interesting post on Trinity heritage since 2011 we have had Childs 31 times winning 5.
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| Quote ="poplar cats alive"Interesting post on Trinity heritage since 2011 we have had Childs 31 times winning 5.'"
It's Child - and I maintain that it's entirely Richard Agar's fault.
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| Quote ="bren2k"It's Child - and I maintain that it's entirely Richard Agar's fault.'"
CC was not happy with at least 2 of his 'decisions' last night - not Agar's
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| We didn't get any of the 50/50's that actually mattered, but still the game was winnable right up to the last minute.
Its not been mentioned anywhere so mebbe I'm wrong but I though McMeekins try was forward from Roberts, I mean, that pass is a some you win some you lose job, so I make it a 50/50 that went against us.
On the next set from the kick off, Roberts did it again to webster but got pulled for it....course, it wasn't as important on their 40m line.
The England loose carry over the line I thought was a 50/50 too, but it was sent up as a no try on the back of what Child thought had happened, they couldn't disprove the knock on in the same way they wouldn't have been able to prove it had it gone up as a try.
Fifita's over the line ball steal, well it wasn't even a 50/50, it was a steal straight up but if you call it a 50/50, we didn't get it.
The off side penalty on our line near the end, wrong or not, I didn't think it had much bearing on the result.
Over all, we needed to produce more to overcome the conditions, the 50/50's and great defense from Cas managing their lead, it was there right to the end but we couldn't quite get the breaks.
Can't complain about anybody in the squad, they all did their bit in a mud bath, to single anyone out like Pauli or Miller is pretty harsh imo, they didn't look any worse than the rest of both teams splattering about in a muddy field.
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| Quote ="deeHell"It's fair to be critical of Chester but to be compare him to the likes of Agar is well out of order.'"
Agree
Crazy comment
Chester’s doing a great job
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| Quote ="Upanunder"We didn't get any of the 50/50's that actually mattered, but still the game was winnable right up to the last minute.
Its not been mentioned anywhere so mebbe I'm wrong but I though McMeekins try was forward from Roberts, I mean, that pass is a some you win some you lose job, so I make it a 50/50 that went against us.
On the next set from the kick off, Roberts did it again to webster but got pulled for it....course, it wasn't as important on their 40m line.
The England loose carry over the line I thought was a 50/50 too, but it was sent up as a no try on the back of what Child thought had happened, they couldn't disprove the knock on in the same way they wouldn't have been able to prove it had it gone up as a try.
Fifita's over the line ball steal, well it wasn't even a 50/50, it was a steal straight up but if you call it a 50/50, we didn't get it.
The off side penalty on our line near the end, wrong or not, I didn't think it had much bearing on the result.
Over all, we needed to produce more to overcome the conditions, the 50/50's and great defense from Cas managing their lead, it was there right to the end but we couldn't quite get the breaks.
Can't complain about anybody in the squad, they all did their bit in a mud bath, to single anyone out like Pauli or Miller is pretty harsh imo, they didn't look any worse than the rest of both teams splattering about in a muddy field.'"
I would add the Webster(?) touch on the ball from Miller's kick. Maybe it's my bias but in my view he moved his foot towards the ball. It didn't strike him.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I would add the Webster(?) touch on the ball from Miller's kick. Maybe it's my bias but in my view he moved his foot towards the ball. It didn't strike him.'"
Agree with above
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| Nothing in the 2 teams apart from a v dodgy 3 pens and a blatent ball strip. We are playing well just need some luck.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I would add the Webster(?) touch on the ball from Miller's kick. Maybe it's my bias but in my view he moved his foot towards the ball. It didn't strike him.'"
Forgot about that, yeah I've seen them given for much less, usually fast ones that clip somebody on the way through at a hundred miles an hour and you wonder if they actually knew much about it, it wasn't a fast one, gotta go down as another 50/50 we didn't get tbh.
Although, that wasn't an event directly involving a score like the McMeekin, Fifita and England decisions.
I think CC's moan at Child is completely justified, though I keep coming back to the fact that despite it all, the game was still there to be pinched right till the end.
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| Can't understand why people are having a go at Horo and Pauli. Must have short memories. Remember when Bill Tupou first came to the club ? We had the same sort of thing ..now he is getting rave reviews . I know some players can move to a new club and immediately play to their full potential eg Randell. but most take a few months.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Nothing in the 2 teams apart from a v dodgy 3 pens and a blatent ball strip. We are playing well just need some luck.'"
There isn't much between the two teams & thats as much as needs to be said really. The ref had a reasonable game all things considered & I'm yet to read anyone's comments on here about the decisions he might have got wrong that favoured Wakey, unless that didn't happen of course!
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| Quote ="steadygetyerboots-on"There isn't much between the two teams & thats as much as needs to be said really. The ref had a reasonable game all things considered & I'm yet to read anyone's comments on here about the decisions he might have got wrong that favoured Wakey, unless that didn't happen of course!'"
Fair point that steady, personally I don't think Child got much wrong for either side, that's two games on the trot now he's had a decent game for us in comparison to previous shambolic displays of refereeing from him.
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| Quote ="steadygetyerboots-on"There isn't much between the two teams & thats as much as needs to be said really. The ref had a reasonable game all things considered & I'm yet to read anyone's comments on here about the decisions he might have got wrong that favoured Wakey, unless that didn't happen of course!'"
By all means even up the debate. It's going to be Trinity biased on here.
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| Quote ="steadygetyerboots-on"There isn't much between the two teams & thats as much as needs to be said really. The ref had a reasonable game all things considered & I'm yet to read anyone's comments on here about the decisions he might have got wrong that favoured Wakey, unless that didn't happen of course!'"
I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't remember them.
What went the other way?
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm not saying you are wrong but I don't remember them.
What went the other way?'"
The only one I can remember was the Cas knock on from Grix's kick off, I thought it went backwards.
The biggest mistake I felt Child's made was just prior to the Cas try, Millington drove towards the posts and ran straight into his own team mate affecting our defenders ability to make the tackle. Millington himself put up his hand as an apology but Child's waved play on, they scored shortly after.
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