I just cannot understand why it is so dreadful to some to move to Dewsbury. Our links within the city can still be maintained . Let's emphasise even more the famous 'Trinity' brand. It certainly will not work if the doom mongers are determined it will not . I am a traditionalist and have attended Belle Vue for over 60 years , but see the Dewsbury option as a realistic and sustainable one.

I agree with the comments about Cllr Box not wanting to help the club in any way possible, however he should have a duty for the people of Wakefield to supply a Community stadium.

I'm no doom monger by any stretch and if it was a temporary thing, no problem but how are we going to expand our fan base on this year say, when it holds 5100 people. How would we fit the big teams in. How are we going to grow as a club and spend the cap if we're limited. We have trouble doing that practically in the middle of the City , let alone miles out of town in someone elses Stadium. Are we going to be able to earn any money like we are at Belle Vue, through corporate,Hospitality food and drink? We don't know how many fans will even bother with the move if it happens, because it sure is a downer and people may have got to the stage of enough's enough. That's not even getting into what it looks like to the RFL and the wider community. I can hear calls for merger already. Or if Cas get their stadium up and running, we might get to rent their Commuity stadium.

Peter Box is live on BBC Radio Leeds, 'in the hot-seat' tomorrow morning, allegedly answering questions via a phone in.

It's 5.1 miles to Dewsbury stadium and it is 4.6 to Newmarket House.If Newmarket was ever realised a little further or 5 miles. So it is hardly any further and according to AA route planner a 12 min car journey. Why not make it out permanent home? Why cannot we attract corporate side of things? Would not take much to expand capacity according to Carter. Got far better facilities already than we have. Come on let's make it work if we have to. As I said before no big deal travel wise for west side of city , or even those in city itself. True some will have further to go , but I have spent most of my supporting life travelling from outer regions of Wakefield to games.

I will never get the hours back I have spent listening to the lies and denials that come out of the mouth of Box. I am not going to bother listening to anymore.

Whats the saying? 'Actions speak louder than words'

Just look at his actions over the years that tells you all you need to know.

What the most frustrating thing for me is while we've had 4 years waiting on every word of Sociopaths like Rodney Walker and Box the opportunities we've potentially lost. Several big developments have occurred around Wakefield in recent years each one of these should of been a chance for us to latch onto a 106 agreement. The Eastern Ring Road been one that springs to mind. As for Dewsbury, it's not a realistic option and I suspect all at club know this and are just using it as a negotiating position to put pressure on the seller. The trouble been we already played that card last year. Basically the Council and YCP have put us in it bigtime.

Feel free to ask him questions about the development; he'll repeat the dismissive lies he used last time - "nothing to do with us, it's an arrangement between the Club and the Developer." Which it isn't.

Legal challenge is probably all that remains, but that's expensive.

I think Mick Carter Believes waiting for Yorkcourt to cough up is like waiting for Goddo , It will never happen.

As for buying back Belle Vue , if I could get Odds, I would put money on that an 'acceptable offer' to the ban has not been made. The place is for sale, if you have the money its yours,why else would the bank hold out ?

The location itself would not put me off, hiwever the wider perception could be damaging long term. We barely get the support at BV. Give people an excuse to not watch and they will take it. A move out of the district, all be it marginally, would see crowds drop further.

Look how well nomad clubs get on in sport? That will give an indication to what's in store, especially for a regime who won't spend money on promotion of the club.

It sounds like we don't have much of a choice but as a club we certainly won't prosper playing out of Dewsbury.

Mackie played his hand 4 years ago when he shafted the club over Newcold. It was clear then what his stance was. We will get zilch out of Yorkcourt and if they were forced to they would just liquidate themselves and start up again.

Someone needs to investigate Box in all of this. Clearly there is a reason for his obstructive manner over this subject. The cynic in me suspects it's financial.

Khlav

Totally correct, but lets not forget Mackie could not have played that hand with out considerable help of Wakefield Council. In my mind they are the real villains in all this.

Salford had 2,200 there the other day in a new stadium and the noises seem to be that the location has had an impact. And that's without moving into someone else's ground. What chance has Dewsbury got of working for us realistically? I just can't see it. It looks like a slow death which ever way we turn

Fully agree, this plan has origins deep within the town hall. Box needs investigating. Another Freedom of information request needed maybe, although I can't say I expect anything of worth to have been written down.

Something that we have discussed and are prepared to do if that is all that is left open to us.

As I don't live in Wakefield, I only know of Peter Box from what I see on here (which isn't good!)

If I try to be as neutral as possible, Box's obligations aren't to the club or to Yorkcourt but to the financial welfare of Wakefield Council and the council tax payers, most of whom have no interest in rugby league. If a situation arises where Yorkcourt won't comply with their unilateral undertaking, the council has got the option of paying legal bills to enforce it, or not. I can imagine a scenario where the council feels, due to the cuts and other financial dire straits, that they just cannot afford to enforce it, and on the whole they are glad to have done something to create jobs.

What I am surprised at, if it is down to Box's intransigence, is that he has not done more as a rugby league fan. As a league fan, I'd love nothing more than for every club to prosper and in great facilities.

Hang on there Slugger. The 106 is a tax on a planning gain . The developer pays it by way of providing a public facility, in this case a community stadium. It could have been a school, surgery, etc. The public are loosing millions. Box can't just sit by and say so what I can't be bothered to enforce this, it could cost too much to take to court.

I've said many a time had it been a school/hospital then this wouldn't have got as far as it has. Regardless of anything, even if YC wanted to play ball, they is no money to fund a stadium.

I don't know much about planning obligations or legal matters to be honest so this may be completely wrong but IF we do decide to mount a legal challenge my guess that that would be against the Council as they are the ones that SHOULD have enforced the SoS decision, so the Council are going to end up footing legal bills anyway aren't they?

If nothing else, a legal challenge will mean lawyers looking into the saga in more detail which might get a few people sweating. I don't think it will deliver a stadium but perhaps some overdue comeuppance.

That would be my guess. Only someone party to an agreement can take action, but public bodies can have action taken against them for their actions, or inactions.

I see the Council are signalling the virtues of the 106 agreements with the proposed 5 towns Park development. I take nothing away from Cas they've made it work were we've failed. The difference between the councils reaction to each developments is nothing short of a scandal. If the Council were really doing there job we could of had 2 modern state of art stadiums in the district very soon. Coun Jeffery said: Quote “The total value of community benefit measures to be funded by Lateral, and which will be secured under the Section 106 legal planning agreement, are now in excess of £35 million, including the new Castleford Tigers Community Stadium.'" “In uncertain times, this investment in the Five Towns must be welcomed with open arms.” Read more: www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... z4DkA3KbGn

I see the Council are signalling the virtues of the 106 agreements with the proposed 5 towns Park development. I take nothing away from Cas they've made it work were we've failed. The difference between the councils reaction to each developments is nothing short of a scandal. If the Council were really doing there job we could of had 2 modern state of art stadiums in the district very soon. Coun Jeffery said: Quote “The total value of community benefit measures to be funded by Lateral, and which will be secured under the Section 106 legal planning agreement, are now in excess of £35 million, including the new Castleford Tigers Community Stadium.'" “In uncertain times, this investment in the Five Towns must be welcomed with open arms.” Read more: www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... z4DkA3KbGn

Believe me Slugger. Box is a dictator who has no time for anyone who disagrees with him (that includes the citizens of Wakefield and his staff). He is surrounded by his lackies who dare not disobey him. His obvious bias towards Castleford (both RLFC and the town) is obvious to a blind man. As for his first allegiance being to the council tax payers of Wakefield who have no interest in rugby league, then why does the city council run a golf course (minority sport) and a swimming pool and leisure centre (other minority sports)? I'm sure neither of those are profit making. Wakefield Trinity over the years have put an otherwise anonymous city on the map. Also, what about the Hepworth Centre? Need I say more.
The apathy of the Wakefield people to their rugby club is somewhat disappointing. You only have to go to Castleford any day of the week and every other person, including women, seem to be wearing some item of club clothing. They have a keen interest in their club. Both our towns have a similar heritage so why the difference? A Dewsbury move is surely a no go; a real retrograde step. I never thought I'd say it, but I'm almost willing to settle for a ground share with Cas.

Quote ="deeHell"I see the Council are signalling the virtues of the 106 agreements with the proposed 5 towns Park development. I take nothing away from Cas they've made it work were we've failed. The difference between the councils reaction to each developments is nothing short of a scandal. If the Council were really doing there job we could of had 2 modern state of art stadiums in the district very soon. Coun Jeffery said:“In uncertain times, this investment in the Five Towns must be welcomed with open arms.” Read more: www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... z4DkA3KbGn'" When did the stadium become a 'community' stadium?

Quote ="deeHell"I see the Council are signalling the virtues of the 106 agreements with the proposed 5 towns Park development. I take nothing away from Cas they've made it work were we've failed. The difference between the councils reaction to each developments is nothing short of a scandal. If the Council were really doing there job we could of had 2 modern state of art stadiums in the district very soon. Coun Jeffery said:“In uncertain times, this investment in the Five Towns must be welcomed with open arms.” Read more: www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... z4DkA3KbGn'" When did the stadium become a 'community' stadium?

Wouldn't want anything to do with Newmarket or York Court now time to make public all thats gone on with this development and move on. Move to Dewsbury if needs be regather and get looking for a better site better situated in the City of Wakefield and there are plenty of ideal community stadium sites. I know people were saying it was Newmarket or Nothing but look how that's turned out 7 wasted years. Under Carter the club has a lot more friends and connections than we have had previously and although hard in this current climate if we conduct ourselves in the right manner other better opportunities may arise.

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