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| Quote ="factsareus"Yes think sentiment is right ...and would have thought that is exactly what should be the very essence of what a club should be'"
Unfortunately sentiment gets you back to square one.
Rebuilding a squad after financial meltdown again.
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On the subject of not knowing the facts, it's been nearly a month since this news broke and we still don't know Carter's side of the story. Was the offer by York court rejected? There's less than six months to the start of next season and we have no confirmed home ground.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"On the subject of not knowing the facts, it's been nearly a month since this news broke and we still don't know Carter's side of the story. Was the offer by York court rejected? There's less than six months to the start of next season and we have no confirmed home ground.'"
We are going to stay up and be the RFL expansion team by taking all our home games on the 'road' to promote the game to the wider audience.
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Pounds in equals pounds out simple you could run the club like that..this is the rational of current management as stated by current board.not saying it's easy but if that is paramount as it would seem to be I am not sure that takes into account long term thinking
are we not allowed others views?
questioning a strategy for the future is it such a heresy ?
This forum has limited representation of the fans of the club and I have yet to speak to anyone if given the choice wouldn't like to stay at Bellevue.and I am not convince a decision to move is best long term.
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| Quote ="factsareus"Pounds in equals pounds out simple you could run the club like that..this is the rational of current management as stated by current board.not saying it's easy but if that is paramount as it would seem to be I am not sure that takes into account long term thinking
are we not allowed others views?
questioning a strategy for the future is it such a heresy ?
This forum has limited representation of the fans of the club and I have yet to speak to anyone if given the choice wouldn't like to stay at Bellevue.and I am not convince a decision to move is best long term.'"
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Some good and bad news in this article,
The clubs doing better financially and building bridges with the RFL and the local business community
Sir Rodney Walker breaks his silence and seems very optimistic over a new stadium.
The sting in the tail is the news that Brian Smith is likely to go home at the seasons end.
www.totalrl.com/wakefield-gettin ... r-control/
WAKEFIELD TRINITY WILDCATS have posted their latest accounts at Companies House.
And, although the accounts for the year ended 30 November 2014 are unaudited and don’t include a profit and loss account, they appear to show that the club made a small profit of just over £20,000 for the 2014 season.
At the end of the year the club had net liabilities of £1,511,688, but of that figure £1,016,974 is owed to shareholders, of which £853,500 is owed to Chairman Michael Carter.
“They have agreed that these accounts will not be repaid until such time as the company has adequate funds available to allow it to pay its other debts as they fall due,” says a note to the accounts.
“Following the year end the company has continued to pay its creditors as they fall due. All amounts due to HMRC as disclosed on returns filed have been pad on or before their due dates; all loan payments to the RFL have been made on a timely basis and all trade creditors are being paid on terms.”
At the balance sheet date the amount owed to the RFL was £134,750, reduced from £377,499 a year earlier.
Meanwhile Sir Rodney Walker, the Chairman of the Wakefield Community Stadium Trust, has told League Express that he is growing more optimistic about securing a new stadium for the club.
“It’s been a long haul and there is still a long way to go, but you are speaking to me at the end of a week in which we have seen more progress in terms of my optimism for a successful outcome than we’ve seen for a year or two,” said Sir Rodney.
“The problem is that I’ve had three different Chairmen to work with and a change in the economic environment. When we started this process, raising money wasn’t as difficult as it is now.
“I am more optimistic now than I have been for some time that we will get a new stadium for Wakefield fit for purpose.
“The club is very keen to go to a new stadium at Newmarket and I was with the developer 48 hours ago. They are still committed to helping the club financially wherever the decision is to have the stadium.
“There is unquestionably a groundswell among some supporters that Belle Vue should be refurbished as part of a development project for the whole of that area of Wakefield. The local Council has announced a new outer ring road for Wakefield that will pass very close to the Belle Vue area.
“But for now all I want to say that I am more optimistic than I have been for some time that we will be able to secure a new stadium for the club.”
Less promising, however, is the prospect of retaining current coach Brian Smith for next season. League Express understands that Smith is likely to return to his farm in Australia at the end of the season |
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Some good and bad news in this article,
The clubs doing better financially and building bridges with the RFL and the local business community
Sir Rodney Walker breaks his silence and seems very optimistic over a new stadium.
The sting in the tail is the news that Brian Smith is likely to go home at the seasons end.
www.totalrl.com/wakefield-gettin ... r-control/
WAKEFIELD TRINITY WILDCATS have posted their latest accounts at Companies House.
And, although the accounts for the year ended 30 November 2014 are unaudited and don’t include a profit and loss account, they appear to show that the club made a small profit of just over £20,000 for the 2014 season.
At the end of the year the club had net liabilities of £1,511,688, but of that figure £1,016,974 is owed to shareholders, of which £853,500 is owed to Chairman Michael Carter.
“They have agreed that these accounts will not be repaid until such time as the company has adequate funds available to allow it to pay its other debts as they fall due,” says a note to the accounts.
“Following the year end the company has continued to pay its creditors as they fall due. All amounts due to HMRC as disclosed on returns filed have been pad on or before their due dates; all loan payments to the RFL have been made on a timely basis and all trade creditors are being paid on terms.”
At the balance sheet date the amount owed to the RFL was £134,750, reduced from £377,499 a year earlier.
Meanwhile Sir Rodney Walker, the Chairman of the Wakefield Community Stadium Trust, has told League Express that he is growing more optimistic about securing a new stadium for the club.
“It’s been a long haul and there is still a long way to go, but you are speaking to me at the end of a week in which we have seen more progress in terms of my optimism for a successful outcome than we’ve seen for a year or two,” said Sir Rodney.
“The problem is that I’ve had three different Chairmen to work with and a change in the economic environment. When we started this process, raising money wasn’t as difficult as it is now.
“I am more optimistic now than I have been for some time that we will get a new stadium for Wakefield fit for purpose.
“The club is very keen to go to a new stadium at Newmarket and I was with the developer 48 hours ago. They are still committed to helping the club financially wherever the decision is to have the stadium.
“There is unquestionably a groundswell among some supporters that Belle Vue should be refurbished as part of a development project for the whole of that area of Wakefield. The local Council has announced a new outer ring road for Wakefield that will pass very close to the Belle Vue area.
“But for now all I want to say that I am more optimistic than I have been for some time that we will be able to secure a new stadium for the club.”
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I understand and sympathise with the disgruntled fans who feel they should have been consulted before planning to leave our ancestral home forever, particularly without any other permanent home guaranteed within the city or outside. It may seem suicidal for the club, BUT...
People forget what position we we're left in by the end of the Glover/Elston period. They saw no option than to put us back into admin. It was only MC/CB's intervention that prevented that. Where would we (and lots of creditors) be now if that had been allowed to happen? To recover from that position was something of a miracle in itself. Follow that with reduced crowds and crippling rent and repair bills, the future was still unsustainable. There was no choice. We could not stay at BV on the current terms. So, you try to reduce the rent or you move to a more viable site. It would seem that BOI are not interested in keeping us as tenants at a lower rate, so the only option is to move, hopefully temporarily.
I view it like this, moving away may well be the death knell for the club, but there's no point in worrying about a death sentence from a future trial if we've already had our final meal and the gallows are prepared for mismanagement crimes of the past. If we don't get a pardon from the current situation, we'll already be swinging from the noose long before any other project can materialise.
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Under stands a very general term, Im willing to bet they have not got a clue.
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Michael And Chris are both very aware that the club needs to be in Wakefield but, as for playing a dangerous game, that started around 10 years ago and there will be risk in every decision taken, but they still have to be taken.
Yes, some fans will not be comfortable with the outcome - whatever that is - but the Trust is committed to a new stadium at Newmarket and is working hard towards that goal. We are still 'negotiating' and now we are at the end of the holiday period we hope to publish our position very shortly.
As for the question of where we play whilst we wait, that is for the club alone to decide and, whilst I have an opinion, it is not my call and I will understand whatever the decision is!
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| Quote ="coco the fullback"I understand and sympathise with the disgruntled fans who feel they should have been consulted before planning to leave our ancestral home forever, particularly without any other permanent home guaranteed within the city or outside. It may seem suicidal for the club, BUT...
People forget what position we we're left in by the end of the Glover/Elston period. They saw no option than to put us back into admin. It was only MC/CB's intervention that prevented that. Where would we (and lots of creditors) be now if that had been allowed to happen? To recover from that position was something of a miracle in itself. Follow that with reduced crowds and crippling rent and repair bills, the future was still unsustainable. There was no choice. We could not stay at BV on the current terms. So, you try to reduce the rent or you move to a more viable site. It would seem that BOI are not interested in keeping us as tenants at a lower rate, so the only option is to move, hopefully temporarily.
I view it like this, moving away may well be the death knell for the club, but there's no point in worrying about a death sentence from a future trial if we've already had our final meal and the gallows are prepared for mismanagement crimes of the past. If we don't get a pardon from the current situation, we'll already be swinging from the noose long before any other project can materialise.'"
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| Quote ="TRB"Michael And Chris are both very aware that the club needs to be in Wakefield but, as for playing a dangerous game, that started around 10 years ago and there will be risk in every decision taken, but they still have to be taken.
Yes, some fans will not be comfortable with the outcome - whatever that is - but the Trust is committed to a new stadium at Newmarket and is working hard towards that goal. We are still 'negotiating' and now we are at the end of the holiday period we hope to publish our position very shortly.
As for the question of where we play whilst we wait, that is for the club alone to decide and, whilst I have an opinion, it is not my call and I will understand whatever the decision is!'"
Good work as always,
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Will this be a reply or just like the rest a method to kick the discussion into the long grass until the season is over. I believe it as become rather political with Carter and the less than helpful conservative MP against the Labour run council.
I hope I am wrong because the only loser will be Wakefield Trinity and we the supporters.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Sir Rodney Walker breaks his silence .
The only time he breaks silence is to break wind and this press quote is another fine example of the mans flatulence
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Rodney Walker is flip-flopping like a politician at the moment - it appears that he's either not in the loop and is reacting to things without full knowledge, or he has aligned himself with YCP's position, which appears to be at odds with the club and the Trust.
Bizarre.
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| I'm out on Walker,something doesn't ring true about him,with all his past successful projects,to let a small thing like BV stutter for as long as it as  probably me being suspicious  |
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Scarlet Pimp where do you get your description of `less than helpful conservative MP ` from. She has done more work for Newmarket in the few weeks she has been in office than all the previous Wakefield area MPs have done in the last 10 years. You are so far of the mark with that statement that I think its just political bile, Labour good Cons bad no matter what. Speak to the SWAG people, Trust members etc ie the people working to get us to Newmarket and they will tell you that Andrea Jenkins has been a breath of fresh air, not a political point just that she is not afraid of upsetting the local Labour run council who obviously have an agenda to stop is ever getting to Newmarket.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Scarlet Pimp where do you get your description of `less than helpful conservative MP ` from. She has done more work for Newmarket in the few weeks she has been in office than all the previous Wakefield area MPs have done in the last 10 years. You are so far of the mark with that statement that I think its just political bile, Labour good Cons bad no matter what. Speak to the SWAG people, Trust members etc ie the people working to get us to Newmarket and they will tell you that Andrea Jenkins has been a breath of fresh air, not a political point just that she is not afraid of upsetting the local Labour run council who obviously have an agenda to stop is ever getting to Newmarket.'"
Maybe, like me, he has seen nothing from her in writing anywhere, championing the Newmarket cause. Having said that, the only way we get to know anything is by snippets of information on here.
I'm sure many are working hard behind the scenes towards a stadium.
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Great point bellycouldtackle. As a former Wakefield resident I am pleasantly surprised to hear of Conservative MPs in the Wakefield area.
It was very interesting reading these forums in the build up to the election and the staunch political views held by many. There is little doubt the mining connections run deep in the community and the 1980s seem to crop up as a discussion point every election time. Even though that is now generational history and the landscape has changed so much since then.
Sadly, these views, rightly or wrongly, blind some people into not assessing a public figure in a fair and balanced way. I have my own strongly held political views but I will still try to assess someone for what they are. For example Corbyn has been pillared in the media and seems to be a doomsday scenario. I personally don't go for his policies yet whenever I've heard him speak I get the impression he is a man of true integrity and conviction, unlike some others.
Whilst I'd never vote for Corbyn I do think he'd do what he genuinely believes is right for the people and the country. And not be influenced by lobbies which are too powerful or lining his retirement career.
If the new MP is doing good work for Trinity then let's acknowledge it through recognition of her efforts, not criticise by being blinded by party lines and not give her a chance.
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| Quote ="wildshot"Great point bellycouldtackle. As a former Wakefield resident I am pleasantly surprised to hear of Conservative MPs in the Wakefield area.
It was very interesting reading these forums in the build up to the election and the staunch political views held by many. There is little doubt the mining connections run deep in the community and the 1980s seem to crop up as a discussion point every election time. Even though that is now generational history and the landscape has changed so much since then.
Sadly, these views, rightly or wrongly, blind some people into not assessing a public figure in a fair and balanced way. I have my own strongly held political views but I will still try to assess someone for what they are. For example Corbyn has been pillared in the media and seems to be a doomsday scenario. I personally don't go for his policies yet whenever I've heard him speak I get the impression he is a man of true integrity and conviction, unlike some others.
Whilst I'd never vote for Corbyn I do think he'd do what he genuinely believes is right for the people and the country. And not be influenced by lobbies which are too powerful or lining his retirement career.
If the new MP is doing good work for Trinity then let's acknowledge it through recognition of her efforts, not criticise by being blinded by party lines and not give her a chance.'"
I'm sure you're right in some of the things you say but come on, IDS, Grove, Osborne and Cameron in particular are like the Nazi SS.
Their policies are the most blatanty ideologically driven agenda set that I've ever seen.
Osbornes doubled the deficit
Duncan-Smith has the blood of 4,000 people on his hands
Grove has destroyed sports participation which in turn will cripple the NHS in the not too distant future
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Well said wildshot, I do not care which party an MP is from as long as they are going to fight the good cause of getting Newmarket Stadium built. All I can say that Ed Balls and his Mrs did zero to help when asked, they sat on the fence and followed the Peter Box and Wakefield Council Line. I don`t want to criticize Mary Creag as she is tidy. ( but again she did nothing but in a nice way ) . This new MP Andrea Jenkins is approachable and is working hard to help us. This is not a party political point. Its just a fact.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"I'm sure you're right in some of the things you say but come on, IDS, Grove, Osborne and Cameron in particular are like the Nazi SS.
Their policies are the most blatanty ideologically driven agenda set that I've ever seen.
Osbornes doubled the deficit
Duncan-Smith has the blood of 4,000 people on his hands
Grove has destroyed sports participation which in turn will cripple the NHS in the not too distant future
And while I'm mentioning the NHS, don't get me started'"
Can you keep your word and not get started then please.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"I'm sure you're right in some of the things you say but come on, IDS, Grove, Osborne and Cameron in particular are like the Nazi SS.
Their policies are the most blatanty ideologically driven agenda set that I've ever seen.
Osbornes doubled the deficit
Duncan-Smith has the blood of 4,000 people on his hands
Grove has destroyed sports participation which in turn will cripple the NHS in the not too distant future
And while I'm mentioning the NHS, don't get me started'"
National issues, the local MP is prepared to fight our corner on the stadium issue then this is a good thing because Mr Balls wouldn't. He knocked on my door in March canvassing and tried to sidestep talking about the stadium. Couldn't have a given two hoots about any local issues I tried to engage him on. In fact all he really wanted to talk to me about was immigration.
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IDS tried to suppress information on how many people (not scroungers) died after being put on benefit sanctions. He has blood on his conscience (assuming he has one) for setting seriously ill people to work, only for them to die shortly after. His department is under scrutiny by the UN for discriminating against disabled people.
He is one of those people who feels that they are better than the rest, that he knows better than the rest and that he is entitled to tell the rest how they should live.
Stick up for him if you want, but he's the worst kind of Tory, the kind who hides his complete lack of compassion or empathy beneath a very thin veneer of humanity.
As for the lady MP who took Ed Balls job, she has shown herself to be a committed Representative for her community and I wish their were more like her in all parties.
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My point was about people's political views blinding them to see what someone may or may not be doing about one specific issue we are all interested in on this board, that being WTW.
We can talk all day about the rights and wrongs of all the political parties (they all have faults) if you want, but this is not the forum for it.
I'm not a moderator but I'm interested in what influential people can do for our great club, so can we please stay on topic?
Thank you.
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| Quote ="wildshot"My point was about people's political views blinding them to see what someone may or may not be doing about one specific issue we are all interested in on this board, that being WTW.
We can talk all day about the rights and wrongs of all the political parties (they all have faults) if you want, but this is not the forum for it.
I'm not a moderator but I'm interested in what influential people can do for our great club, so can we please stay on topic?
Thank you.'"
I would stop following WTW if they needed to rely on somebody whose views or actions I find so abhorrent, it's a matter of conscience. |
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probably me being suspicious 
