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| Quote ="PopTart"We need to be at Bradford for their game in full force.
You can bet they will see this as their big chance and will drag every stay away fan back to make it a big atmosphere for them.
The players need to see and hear the red, white and blue'"
Agreed Pop Tart
Although you "just know" they will be given some of the 6 points back, we can go there and show them that it is Wakefield that deserve to be in the top flight and not the RFL Bulls with their iconic this, that or the other.
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| Has anyone found out who is sitting on this independent panel just so we know it is Independent like.
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| Quote ="les-goose"Has anyone found out who is sitting on this independent panel just so we know it is Independent like.'"
it sounds very independent when very concidently they are waiting until we play Bradford to annouce the result...
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| If they beat us home and away it would add weight to their argument.
This game is more than a four pointer, if we win; psychologically it would damage the bulls I'm sure. If we lose; it could give the RFL an opportunity to push the bulls cause, give the bulls a huge boost and make for a Hollywood-esque style run in to the end of the season and a million pound game style saga.
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| If Bradford lose, it puts the panel in the position of effectively relegating a team, and possibly destroying a new business. That puts them in an impossible position.
I don't think the RFL will want any outcome that suggests they got it wrong at the start of the season, that they derailed Bradford's season by getting it wrong, so I don't buy the "let's have a million pound game" desire. But if we win, I reckon the points will be cancelled out in some way. If Bradford win, I reckon it will stay the same, cancelling out their two points, confirming the correctness of the earlier decision.
A lot depends on the parameters of the tribunal. Two possible questions:
1. Complete rehearing, looking at new criteria, a second bite of the cherry as it were. That could result in a reduction of the sanction
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2. Was the RFL decision unreasonable? That's a different question. Someone can have a different opinion on something without the conflicting opinion being unreasonable. The tribunal could rule, on that question, "we would have maybe come to a different view, but the RFL decision was reasonable in the circumstances, given the criteria they had to apply". Which would mean the points stay the same.
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| from the VT thread
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Marc Green bought the Bulls out of Administration probably because it was cheaper and didn't leave him liable for the debts, that's just a pure business decision, morally questionable maybe but he's a businessman so I'm not judging him.
The reality is that he's bought the Bulls so it's safe to say that for whatever reason he at some point wanted to buy the Bulls and he did so by purchasing them on the cheap from the Administrator rather than the more expensive option of pre Administration which, as explained above, would have been more costly both in the short and long term. The downside to buying after Administration is that the RFL would impose a 6 point penalty but presumably Mr Green being an astute businessman would have done his due diligence and understood this before making his decision.
It's a simple thought process really,
[iI want to buy the Bulls
(Option 1)I can pay top dollar, pay the creditors and have no points deduction
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(Option 2) I can buy them cheap, pay no creditors but suffer a six point penalty
Option 2 it is then![/i
So Marc Green has enjoyed the financial benefits of buying his Rugby League club post Administration in the full knowledge that they had a 6 point penalty but is now crying foul about that penalty despite knowing it was there before making the decision to buy the Bulls., he wants the benefits of both options and none of the responsibility!
After laughing him out of the room the Independent Panel should then publicly lambast him for his waste of time and money and for dragging Rugby League into the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
One last thing, where's the Force Majeure?'"
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| Quote ="The Avenger"from the VT thread'"
Hope you're ready for a two-page response from Ferocious Aardvark, in which your post is broken down into small paragraphs and to which you'll never reply because you'll have lost the will to live before the end.
Force Majeure means events beyond the control of the parties concerned. If Marc Green issued the winding up order, or whatever it was that took them into administration, then it seems a poor argument, because it was in his control. I'm assuming the argument is that it was someone other than him that took them into administration, nothing to do with him, so why should he suffer?
If he wins, that suggests that every buyer of a club in administration can argue the same thing. "Nowt to do with me". etc.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"
If he wins, that suggests that every buyer of a club in administration can argue the same thing. "Nowt to do with me". etc.'"
What's the betting that if they do win the appeal, the RFL immediately change the rules so no one else can benefit from using the same argument?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"What's the betting that if they do win the appeal, the RFL immediately change the rules so no one else can benefit from using the same argument?'"
The most vocal Bulls fans are trying to make it technical, saying that it was the Robbie Paul (or whoever) business plan that had no merit and cost six points, not the Marc Green plan, which came later. What hasn't been said is what does Marc Green's plan say about repaying creditors and what are his intentions?
A lot of smoke being pumped out by some and not much fire.
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| Shouldn't really matter after watching them today. They are absolutely woeful!!
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| Quote ="Trinity Till Death"Shouldn't really matter after watching them today. They are absolutely woeful!!'"
You gone and jinxed it now. Well done
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| I'm not confident about next week at all. And we have a habit of kickstarting London's season too. The one plus point is that although they'll beat us, I'm not sure they'll beat anyone else.
If Agar can't get them up for this game, he has to be toast. The Bulls couldn't be any lower than they are at the moment.
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| No one is jinxing anything. If this side can't beat Bradford next week then we might as well give up
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| 46-4 to the Catalan dragons; I thought it might have been a closer run thing.
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| I genuinely don't think you have much to worry about barring another financial meltdown, but Carter seems to have things under a tight reign from what I hear from your fans.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I genuinely don't think you have much to worry about barring another financial meltdown, but Carter seems to have things under a tight reign from what I hear from your fans.'"
Got a letter this morning asking for more lottery participation and I feel confident enough in the regime to give some. I do honestly think he is rebuilding the right way, provided we can get through this season.
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| WTW need to forget about Bulls and their imminent points deduction appeal.
From watching them today - if you don't beat them and finish well above them, you (like Bulls) don't deserve to be in SL. Its in the coaching team's and the players hands now.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"WTW need to forget about Bulls and their imminent points deduction appeal.
From watching them today - if you don't beat them and finish well above them, you (like Bulls) don't deserve to be in SL. Its in the coaching team's and the players hands now.'"
I think we have enough in the squad to win quite easily but have not got to gift field position and possession like we did on Sunday.
It's about not conceding early doors and working into the game instead of chasing it.
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| Although Bradford lost today they look stronger, better organised, better structured than we have all season. They will start as strong favourites next week
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| Er. . . OK BCT
If you say so
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| They won't necessarily be the bookies favourites but they'll be favourites among the fans. It's a four pointer and we all know that Wakefield wouldn't know a four pointer if it slapped them round the face.
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| I dispair at the level some of our supporters have reached in their negativity towards the coach and team. We are criticised for our points conceded but Bradford are not, I would be surprised if their supporters feel the same.
I watched today's game and despite what many of you saw as Bradford showing spirit which we apparently do not have. I saw a team imploding with some openly criticising others on the field, others whose appeared to have lost interest and were just going through the motions.
I know for some of you this is not what you want to hear because it does not fit your own personal agendas.
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| I don't think we should even be mentioning that game yet. 2 points against Warrington later and that's a 10 point gap and above Salford and level with Hull. Let's just deal with it when it comes along, we'll be purring if we beat Wire.
Come on!
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I dispair at the level some of our supporters have reached in their negativity towards the coach and team. We are criticised for our points conceded but Bradford are not, I would be surprised if their supporters feel the same.
I watched today's game and despite what many of you saw as Bradford showing spirit which we apparently do not have. I saw a team imploding with some openly criticising others on the field, others whose appeared to have lost interest and were just going through the motions.
I know for some of you this is not what you want to hear because it does not fit your own personal agendas.'"
I fully agree with you but don't get hung up on here this board consists of an extreme minority of the overall support of the club. To be honest I used to be an avid member but this board has become a bit of a joke
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| Don't matter if your a positive or a negative view of our team or coach the one thing this team and coach has to do is take one game at a time.We have an appointment with Warrington first and a mountain to climb if they and us play like last weekend.You never know the weather of the last few days just might have helped us and lets not get away from it they were beat by Bradford only a few weeks ago.Blooming heck I must have my usual Sunday optimistic we can do it head on instead of the other days of the week reality head.
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