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| Quote ="owiepob"sorry I don't buy this RL is different line. The examples from other sports suggest that ground shares = bigger crouds and better fnancial health for both clubs. I'm more comfortable working from evidence rather than conjecture.
I agree with you about the likely result of a poll. I do however feel that the opinions of the fans of 2009 is a very small consideration in the decisions about the ongoing sustainability of our 2 clubs. As I said before this decision is about attracting the next 4 or 5 generations of fans not just about us.
The cost of having 2 (or 3) grounds with a WF post code will be the best part of a hundred million (for 3 bog standard developments). Is our desire for our club to play within a walk of the pub worth that much?
I have to show my hand I already drive 80 miles for a home game so I recognise that our views will be different'"
I see your point but who is going to get the kids interested? For arguments sake wakey get there ground built i wouldnt follow cas in wakey, so my young neices and nephews who i am planning to take to there first cas game in the next few years wouldnt have anyone to take them, and if no one takes them to watch the rugby how are they going to end up as supporters? If you alienate one generation of fans you are going to kill off the future generations imho.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I have no idea who you are, I may know you and then again I may not. I do know TRB as do most on here. You do seem from your comments to be "in the know" and if what you say about funding being in place and I have no reason to doubt you then the only obsticle to overcome is planning. This should not be a problem IF we have the FULL SUPPORT of the Council and they are prepared to "fast track" it within the rules.
My reasons for speaking in favour of a ground share was my concern over funding. Castleford have had a planning consent for I believe around 2 to 3 years but work has not started as they have not had the funding. Some have said its in place but if it had been the stadium would have been built by now. They may be nearer with funding now but my guess is that they are still a way off having all the funding needed to commence construction.
One stadium in the neutral venue of Stanley would be easier to fund than 2 but if Castleford feel that Stanley is Wakefield even though its eqi-distant from both Castleford and Wakefield then I can fully understand their feelings. I certainly feel that Glasshoughton is Castleford as its around 1m from Castleford and 7m from Wakefield.
If we have the funding in place and we feel that planning will not be a problem and Castleford are not interested in a ground share then lets go it alone.
I do however think that this matter is not over yet.'"
i would certainly feel that stanley is more a wakefield location than a castleford one, stanley has no links with castleford whatsover, but has links with wakefield. Its outside of the town so i think you can half castlefords attendances straight away if we moved there, in fact the only example of out of town stadia i can think of in rl is swinton which has been a complete disaster.
Some may think this view point parochial, but from my point of view it would make as much sense for wakefield to share at glasshoughton as nearly everyone of the fans would have to travel by car, bus or train, and the transport links are already in place at glasshoughton, with the extra distance minimal. Many of you would object to this on the grounds of loss of identity in the same way the castleord fans would about sharing in stanley however and thats why the idea can never work.
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| Quote ="pyeman"I see your point but who is going to get the kids interested? For arguments sake wakey get there ground built i wouldnt follow cas in wakey, so my young neices and nephews who i am planning to take to there first cas game in the next few years wouldnt have anyone to take them, and if no one takes them to watch the rugby how are they going to end up as supporters? If you alienate one generation of fans you are going to kill off the future generations imho.'"
Nobody ever took me to a Wakefield match, my father died when I was 8 so I missed out on that. However, I knew of Wakefield Trinity and after following them in the local paper for a number of years I made my own way to BV when I was 17 and have been going ever since.
I understand the points being raised that should the clubs merge/share venues, future generations would care not about local rivalries and out of it could come hugely successful club/s to challenge for honours. My main concerns is would the clubs survive the initial standpoint of the hardcore supporters who would no doubt refuse to go and watch their teams (or a hybrids) home matches somewhere other the town/city they are from.
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| Quote ="pyeman"I see your point but who is going to get the kids interested? For arguments sake wakey get there ground built i wouldnt follow cas in wakey, so my young neices and nephews who i am planning to take to there first cas game in the next few years wouldnt have anyone to take them, and if no one takes them to watch the rugby how are they going to end up as supporters? If you alienate one generation of fans you are going to kill off the future generations imho.'"
clearly passing your fan passion on through the generations is a key way of generating and sustaining support. The answer to your question is that I don't know who will take them.
It strikes me however that if they don't both throw money away on building a stadium each they will be able to invest more in community and youth developement and marketing. I don't doubt that some will stop following clubs on principal if they share. Equally I think they will attract fans to a new, purpose built, fit for the 21st century stadium.
I'm in the minority but I'd be just as happy in Glasshoughton as Stanley.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Nobody ever took me to a Wakefield match, my father died when I was 8 so I missed out on that. However, I knew of Wakefield Trinity and after following them in the local paper for a number of years I made my own way to BV when I was 17 and have been going ever since.
I understand the points being raised that should the clubs merge/share venues, future generations would care not about local rivalries and out of it could come hugely successful club/s to challenge for honours. My main concerns is would the clubs survive the initial standpoint of the hardcore supporters who would no doubt refuse to go and watch their teams (or a hybrids) home matches somewhere other the town/city they are from.'"
You should have said - you could have come with me!!
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"You should have said - you could have come with me!!'"
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| Quote ="pyeman"i would certainly feel that stanley is more a wakefield location than a castleford one, stanley has no links with castleford whatsover, but has links with wakefield. Its outside of the town so i think you can half castlefords attendances straight away if we moved there, in fact the only example of out of town stadia i can think of in rl is swinton which has been a complete disaster.
Some may think this view point parochial, but from my point of view it would make as much sense for wakefield to share at glasshoughton as nearly everyone of the fans would have to travel by car, bus or train, and the transport links are already in place at glasshoughton, with the extra distance minimal. Many of you would object to this on the grounds of loss of identity in the same way the castleord fans would about sharing in stanley however and thats why the idea can never work.'"
I take your point but Glasshoughton is Castleford as its is much closer to Castleford Town Centre than to Wakefield. Wakefield fans would feel that we were playing in Castleford not Wakefield. I felt that Stanley in neither in Wakefield nor Castleford as it around 3 miles from both centres so therfore neutral to me. Clearly you feel that Stanley is Wakefield so therefore lies the problem with a ground share.
I hope that we both get new stadiums but I fear that wont be the case as I cannot see funding being found for 2 multi-million pound stadia so close together.
I of course am in the Stanley camp but if at the end of the day Glasshougton was the only alternative to stay in SL rather than dropping to the NL I would take it. I'm sure there are Castleford who would accept Stanley in the same position but there will be fans of both teams who would rather play in the NL rather than in a shared stadium in SL - that their choice - I like SL and do not want to ever go back to the NL - but thats my choice.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I take your point but Glasshoughton is Castleford as its is much closer to Castleford Town Centre than to Wakefield. Wakefield fans would feel that we were playing in Castleford not Wakefield. I felt that Stanley in neither in Wakefield nor Castleford as it around 3 miles from both centres so therfore neutral to me. Clearly you feel that Stanley is Wakefield so therefore lies the problem with a ground share.'"
Once upon a time Stanley had its own council. Its borders stretched from Dent Drive on Eastmoor including Parkhill Colliery over to St Johns Colliery at Normanton, Kirkhamgate used to be in Stanley and you had the farcical sight on Dewsbury Rd where Abduls is of 3 lots of Dustbin lorries emptying bins, those being Ossett Wakefield and Stanley councils. The area of Stanley at one time was huge. Just one thing is the new stadium being built in Stanley or is it being built in Methley because Methley has a Leeds postcode and therefore neither of us would be playing in Wakefield.
Just one other thing fwiw Newmarket Colliery was in the No8 Castleford area.
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| I love it- using the old bin rounds to justify Stanley really being a part of Cas - Are you Alistair Campell, or Shane Warne - great at spin either way
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| Quote ="owiepob"I love it- using the old bin rounds to justify Stanley really being a part of Cas - Are you Alistair Campell, or Shane Warne - great at spin either way'"
Give chissit credit, i wouldnt have thought of that one in a million years!
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| Chissitt is right, it was Stanley Urban District Council. Wakefield was the old Wakefield City Council and Stanley was not part of Wakefield. I believe the City of Wakefield started on Stanley hill just below the Btish Oak. It only became part of Wakefield when Wakefield District Council was established as did Castleford.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Give chissit credit, i wouldnt have thought of that one in a million years!
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Credit where its due I wouldn't refuse him the credit he's due for that one, not trying to trash his contribution for one moment. Bin trying to think of how to spin a stadium share since this thread was launched but all my ideas were rubish!
I'm on my way to the coat ack by the way
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| Quote ="owiepob"Credit where its due I wouldn't refuse him the credit he's due for that one, not trying to trash his contribution for one moment. Bin trying to think of how to spin a stadium share since this thread was launched but all my ideas were rubish'"
Save your sarcasm for the Cas fans matey its wasted on me. I was just trying to qualify what Sandal cat wrote about Wakefield and Stanley being two seperate entities. Perhaps you and Pyeman should get together and discuss the merits of ground sharing between you, on a personel note it does not interest me. Oh and fwiw the only credit I'm interested in is that whats left on my flexible friend hth
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