I think we should all consider that this clubs not out of the woods just yet, its all so easy to just dismiss the debt we are in.

Well its all too easy on here at least.

Put there houses on the line?

You make some reasonable points now and then but your one man crusade against the current BOD is making you look a bit of a bell end at times

Ive not bothered posting much around the mess left by Glover and co,as i was accussed of scare mongering etc,when i raised the issues last year of how poorly the club/business was been run,wracking up ccjs etc.

However here goes and ive already got my season ticket.

The club has been on the whole an embarrassment to Super League since we arrived at the top table.

I can only imagine that the new boards decision to try and stay in Super League and cut the costs,is in the hope that some kind of restructure of the leagues will mean a bottom two finish doesnt spell relegation.
If that wasnt the intention i really dont understand why we just didnt go into admin and drop down a division and try to rebuild,instead of delaying the agony for another season.
I whole heartedly understand any supporter refusing to purchase a season ticket to watch a team that at the moment seems unlikely to be even competetive.
I cant recall any positive news coming out of the club for months,everything is negative and that just breeds more negativity.
I have a bad feeling that the sole reason we decided to try and stay in super league for another year is quite simply so investors can recoup some of their initial investment.
Call me cynical,but Mr Carter became a shareholder in Jan 2012,as a shareholder he would have been presented with the Jan 2012 accounts,as an accountant did he not see a problem?
Sorry but i have little faith in either of the new directors,for my money they were part of the problem.

I don't no what is going on. They had a great chance to market the Wakey v Cas game at the end of the season but they failed to do so. I went twice none left then I couldn't be bothad. Glover was excellent at marketing but unfortunatly he was good at letting our finances run out of control. The club needs to pull its socks up the fans are there but nothing is coming out what so ever. zzzzzzzzzzz. AS for people on about Ted that guy was a joker aswell. We have had years on years of people running the club that were in it for themselves.

You have to suspect that people like Agent XIII are not Wakefield fans let alone RL fans.
There has been some amazing rabid stuff in the press from RU hacks which means the World Cup is going well, his is the same sort of destructive crap being posted.

In agreement on this. I've stopped looking when I see the name. Wind up merchant what's the new term for folk like that..... 'troll'

With people like Agent XIII around the best advice to pass on to Michael Carter & Chris Brererton is to call in your loans & walk away from the club.

Well Agent XIII you have certainly united the board. No mean feat.

Welcome back Vasty and NGB4C. Haven't seen either of you for a while.
or have I just not been watching

Agent XIII why dont you buy the club and run it like Warrington/Wigan, The people in charge are in the poo caused by other people, they have put their heads above the parapet and are doing the best they can with very limited resources. If you cant see this why dont you go and support Leeds....

I like everyone else has to hope and trust that the people in the job are doing it better than those they replaced, I fail to see what you offer, other than liking the sound of your own voice.
You seem fantastic at predicting what we are doing wrong but can't come up with any plan b.
What do you do when you haven't got the money to pay the bills other than sell some assets you can't afford?
You've bottled it twice, your just wasting your own breath and everyone's time.
It's very simple outgoings are greater than incomings and that has to change, and until the balance is redressed we are where we are.
Your axe is growing painfully blunt...to be blunt.

We have their word for that.

But im still unsure as to how much of a risk is in "putting their houses on the line"

Have they borrowed against them?

I dont quite get it.....................we need to plug a deficit in funding of 400k,we are doing this by selling players,getting out of contracts,redunancies and reducing expenditure in many areas.Therefore it would follow that its unlikely the houses have been used as security for funding.Maybe the RFL wanted the security for the loan - but again this would only be short term as the monies are to be repaid from our Sky money,which the RFL distribute,so i dont see why the RFL would require additional security.

Sorry but in the real world business men dont put their houses on the line unless they are 99.9999% sure it will reward them.

I would also point out that the current board was appointed by Andrew Glover who still owns the club. In any other industry they are following the classic scenario of asset strippers. They move into a business reduce the overheads sell the assets then move on. I am currently waiting to see evidence to the contrary.
The fact I have brought some of the board together because they don't like what I post bothers me not one jot I am more pleased with those that are starting to ask questions about the direction the club is going.

I don't think Andrew Glover does own the club anymore.

Also the term asset strippers implies there is some sort of profit to be made. Whatever is received from players sales is being used to plug a gap.

Asset stripping or cloth cutting?
I'll ask again, what is plan b?
As far as I can see, when you don't have the dough - someone has to go.
I'll await your in depth synopsis!

i offered my services to Daddycool by PM on september 27th and 29th offering to help man the shop or ring round season ticket holders. still waiting for a reply. because of my circumstances now its probably too late for me, but if the cost of staffing the shop or the one at the ground is a problem, why not use volunteers?

I think you will find he is still the majority share holder and therefore owns the club. If the shares were bought by the current board they would need to be approved by the RFL just like Bradford were.

At the end of the day a lot the problems that still remain are still issues left from Glover and Elston, So things wont change over night we all no it has been a case of jobs for friends and family during that time, majority of the admin staff reception etc where Sarah's friends.

Give it time to see Carters full effect on the day to day running, He cant just walk in and sack everyone. I do think its getting to the point where the club needs to just sell who they need to and start again.

If the club end up selling Kirmond it would be better now than in two/three months time when the club doesn't have time to adjust and the players will need time to adapt to playing without him.

I stand by my theory of questioning everything the club does, whoever is in charge. Not much has happened to question yet. Players sold as we expected, and what else?

(There's a great irony in at least one poster here bagging (to use a colloquialism) the last mob when they are one of the first to post kissing the backsides of anyone in charge, then changing their tune when it all goes wrong. Those who were in live with Shane McNally then stabbed him in the back when he left are just utter cretins. And that's just one example.)

This offer and similar ones should be taken up by the club especially at this time of year spread paid staff with volunteers to 7 days a week if possible!

I don't know details regarding HR and legislation, but if we have made staff redundant etc, their 'work' should also have gone. If the 'work' is still there as would be so by having another body (eg volunteers) doing the work, then could the original staff go to a tribunal etc.

As I say I'm no expert in this respect, perhaps someone could clarify/put me right.

Are they the same person?

Have to say I also emailed MC with some ideas re marketing. I'm still waiting for a "thanks I will have a look at that reply". It's alright asking fans for help or suggestions but it would be nice to know if the club actually received the mail?

I agree entirely, but this used to happen at the club when we had 10 times more staff

So do we know how many people have left the club without being replaced in the last 3 months? Because when this was asked on the website Q&A Carters answer was typically wooly and didn't really answer the question.

Dear Mr Carter, Best course of action for you is to get out, enjoy life & let the wonderful people on here run the club. New sponsors would then be Nostrop. Happy Days. Yours sincerely.