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| Quote ="JINJER"But the Rfl/Super league left the Bulls to rot! Don't you read the Bulls board?
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Some of the posts on that board are laughable, it seems the RFL have treated them badly and at times hung them out to dry
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| The Bulls situation is no different from any other failing business, apart from the advance monies from next seasons pot and their re-instatement into top flight competition.
It is true that the likes of Fax, Fev and Leigh would have struggled to get ready for the start of the next SL season, so there really is no choice.
For people like ourselves, when our club seemed to be cut adrift by the RFL and then made to sweat regarding a franchise place, it does seem that there are different levels of treatment being handed out, depending where you are in the RFL's pecking order.
With rumours surrounding another 2 or 3 SL clubs being in a perilous state, it will be interesting to see what happens when the next club fails.
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| Yes the rfl have backed themselves into a corner when the next club fail.Can the new owner afford to keep the wage bill going as he has already stated he wants to make odsal the wembley of the north and the playing side will suffer until that happens.
If promoting another club they would be 12 month behind the rest of the SL clubs on the field.If the game was bigger and the championship sides could get a major sponsor then we would probs see a breakaway.Even if we reverted to P and R clubs would still have to meet the same standard for SL as they do now to get in.To think some of those bulls fans look upon the rfl letting them rot they need to get real.The one great thing is my clubs doing well and thats all that matters to me now and its a sad day for me to say sod the rest but thats how this saga has made me feel Up The TRIN
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| Quote ="bensbag"So what happens with regard to all the cash they were "forwarded" for wages etc ?'"
My understanding is that 'advance' monies paid to them whilst in admin will be deducted from next season's central funding.
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| At least another club beat them to a play off place
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| Quote ="bren2k"Quote ="bensbag"So what happens with regard to all the cash they were "forwarded" for wages etc ?'"
My understanding is that 'advance' monies paid to them whilst in admin will be deducted from next season's central funding.'"
Was it not money they were due anyway? I assume the Sky money is paid in installments.
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| Is anyone really surprised after all that has preceded this announcement?
The message it sends out not only to other SL clubs and clubs with SL ambitions but to business that supply or provide services to SL clubs is not a very respectful one.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Was it not money they were due anyway? I assume the Sky money is paid in installments.'"
Yes it is paid in instalments and as I understand it, the advances were simply paying that month's Sky money early.
By allowing the whole saga to go on so long, the RFL created their own problems - firstly because the longer the uncertainty continued, the less time was available for a potential replacement side for 2013 & 14 to assemble a reasonably competitive squad and secondly because of the precedents they've now set for the future.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Was it not money they were due anyway? I assume the Sky money is paid in installments.'"
That was my point to be honest,was it money they were due or money advanced from the next lot of Sky cash ? IF it was cash advanced from the next lot and is to be clawed back next season that is when we will find out the new boards true comittment.They will be down a lot of money and will have to cut there cloth accordingly.Sadly I still don't think we have heard the last of this farce.Even sadder, some on the Bulls board will still wallow in a massive pool of self righteoushness and indignation and blame anything in the entire universe other than the way the club was run.Talk about Emperors new clothes
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Is anyone really surprised after all that has preceded this announcement?
The message it sends out not only to other SL clubs and clubs with SL ambitions but to business that supply or provide services to SL clubs is not a very respectful one.'"
Although we will never know, what would have happened if the Bulls situation had occured at one of the smaller, less fashionable, clubs ?
This is my only real gripe with the pantomime that has gone on all season.
The outcome was certainly predictable and tbf, the championship clubs would have struggled to transform themselves in the timescale that presented itself.
It just goes to show that size really does matter !
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Is anyone really surprised after all that has preceded this announcement?
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Absolutely not. The only people who are feigning surprise are the Bulls fans. And that is just to keep up appearances.
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| The less said the better
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Have to agree. I'm pleased for the Bulls fans who wern't to blame over all this fiasco but what message does it
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Oh well.'"
It sends the message that they have no chance. Forget it. Which is sad. 1 up 1 down really must return to make this sport fair again
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| The Bulls were the club to embrace the Super League, they remain in terms of club size one of the largest clubs in the league in a city much larger than the small town of Featherstone and carry one of the largest fan bases in club rugby of either code in this country, we would have made the play-offs but for the points deduction, (not the players fault we were in this mess). Let me tell you the Bradford fans have stuck by our team when we have had uncertainty all this year. Another thing Wakefield have been in admin and are still in league, to me it seems like jealously from some fans about the Bulls successes they wanted us to suffer. I have had a terrible year whereby I have two redundancies and have stuck by my team throughout this process, luckily I managed to find a another job on a larger salary and my team are safe, but the league is much stronger with the Bulls, just speak with the bosses of Leeds, Warrington, Wigan and St Helens.
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| Quote ="BullsThe"The Bulls were the club to embrace the Super League, they remain in terms of club size one of the largest clubs in the league in a city much larger than the small town of Featherstone and carry one of the largest fan bases in club rugby of either code in this country, we would have made the play-offs but for the points deduction, (not the players fault we were in this mess). Let me tell you the Bradford fans have stuck by our team when we have had uncertainty all this year. Another thing Wakefield have been in admin and are still in league, to me it seems like jealously from some fans about the Bulls successes they wanted us to suffer. I have had a terrible year whereby I have two redundancies and have stuck by my team throughout this process, luckily I managed to find a another job on a larger salary and my team are safe, but the league is much stronger with the Bulls, just speak with the bosses of Leeds, Warrington, Wigan and St Helens.'"
Woolworths were bigger than my local corner shop but it still went belly up.
You budgeted to lose £100k a month or roughly your playing salary every month how can you justify even being in SL let alone qualifying for the top eight?
Sorry but it's a joke, and highlights the deficiencies in SL and the RFL.
Sorry about the job thing though, glad you got sorted.
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| Quote ="BullsThe"The Bulls were the club to embrace the Super League, they remain in terms of club size one of the largest clubs in the league in a city much larger than the small town of Featherstone and carry one of the largest fan bases in club rugby of either code in this country, we would have made the play-offs but for the points deduction, (not the players fault we were in this mess). Let me tell you the Bradford fans have stuck by our team when we have had uncertainty all this year. Another thing Wakefield have been in admin and are still in league, to me it seems like jealously from some fans about the Bulls successes they wanted us to suffer. I have had a terrible year whereby I have two redundancies and have stuck by my team throughout this process, luckily I managed to find a another job on a larger salary and my team are safe, but the league is much stronger with the Bulls, just speak with the bosses of Leeds, Warrington, Wigan and St Helens.'"
No we applied for the current license and it was awarded what did you say on last years application about your finances the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
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| And Little Wakey went into administration and stayed in the league, go away little boy
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| The fans have been amazing this year with what has gone on, end of the day as the St Helens Chairman said Bradford are too important to Super League not to be in it.
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| Quote ="BullsThe"The fans have been amazing this year with what has gone on, end of the day as the St Helens Chairman said Bradford are too important to Super League not to be in it.'"
So no answers then? just "look at us where the bulls" propaganda bull?
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| Quote ="BullsThe"The Bulls were the club to embrace the Super League, they remain in terms of club size one of the largest clubs in the league in a city much larger than the small town of Featherstone and carry one of the largest fan bases in club rugby of either code in this country, we would have made the play-offs but for the points deduction, (not the players fault we were in this mess). Let me tell you the Bradford fans have stuck by our team when we have had uncertainty all this year. Another thing Wakefield have been in admin and are still in league,[u to me it seems like jealously from some fans about the Bulls successes[/u they wanted us to suffer. I have had a terrible year whereby I have two redundancies and have stuck by my team throughout this process, luckily I managed to find a another job on a larger salary and my team are safe, but the league is much stronger with the Bulls, just speak with the bosses of Leeds, Warrington, Wigan and St Helens.'"
You couldn't make this up, it's the kind of argument a 6 year old girl would come up with, bloody cringeworthy.
No the problem is the preferential treatment you're shower have got in all this.
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| Quote ="BullsThe"The fans have been amazing this year with what has gone on, end of the day as the St Helens Chairman said Bradford are too important to Super League not to be in it.'"
Are you Omar Khan?
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| Quote ="BullsThe"The Bulls were the club to embrace the Super League, they remain in terms of club size one of the largest clubs in the league in a city much larger than the small town of Featherstone and carry one of the largest fan bases in club rugby of either code in this country, we would have made the play-offs but for the points deduction, (not the players fault we were in this mess). Let me tell you the Bradford fans have stuck by our team when we have had uncertainty all this year. Another thing Wakefield have been in admin and are still in league, to me it seems like jealously from some fans about the Bulls successes they wanted us to suffer. I have had a terrible year whereby I have two redundancies and have stuck by my team throughout this process, luckily I managed to find a another job on a larger salary and my team are safe, but the league is much stronger with the Bulls, just speak with the bosses of Leeds, Warrington, Wigan and St Helens.'"
Wakefield was put in admin after the RFL had refused us a £300K advance on our TV money. Wakefield had cut to cloth in a big way in the 2 years leading up to admin, everything was done to avoid admin. We had no offers to buy our ground lease. You see the difference in treatment there? In contrast your club decided to spend money that you didn’t have. In fact that’s what you’ve been doing for years. I’m sure if we could over spend by £100K a month we would a nice full trophy cabinet and record crowds that would make us too big to fail!
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| Quote ="deeHell"Wakefield was put in admin after the RFL had refused us a £300K advance on our TV money. Wakefield had cut to cloth in a big way in the 2 years leading up to admin, everything was done to avoid admin. We had no offers to buy our ground lease. You see the difference in treatment there? In contrast your club decided to spend money that you didn’t have. In fact that’s what you’ve been doing for years. I’m sure if we could over spend by £100K a year we would a nice full trophy cabinet and record crowds that would make us too big to fail!'"
Totally agree. Maybe if the RFL hadn't propped them up, the problem would have been smaller and resolved sooner. Still waiting to see how the RFL explain the Bulls financial difficulties not being flagged up in the licence process, but won't hold my breath.
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