Amor was ripping it up down the middle until RA saw fit to bring him off cant understand why as he was making the Pies pack work hard.

we need 2 props who can really back up Amor and Raleigh. imo our defence is best when Amor, Aiton, Southern, Raleigh and Lauititi are on. We need replacments who can keep the same steel in defence

I didn't expect us to beat Wigan, but conceding over 50 points (and it could have been 60 with the missed goal kicks) against a team missing a whole host of first team regulars is not acceptable. Especially as at the same time, Widnes were running St's very close and Cas were hammering the Giants.

Week in week out the same problems are there and yet nothing appears to be being done to address them : -

(1) poor marker defence allowing teams easy yards from acting half

(2) poor line speed, again allowing teams easy hards and to get a head of steam up making them harder to stop

(3) poor tackling technique (Aiton, Washbrook and usually Kirmond (although not today) excepted). Too many falling off tackles or grabbing at thin air. First man in should be round the legs - lost count of the number of times they made extra yards cos the first man went to try and smother the ball.

(4) slow play the balls, hardly any of the team struggle in the tackle to either gain a quick play the ball or a penalty

(5) forwards not coming onto the ball from deep and at pace - today was a classic example where Wigan forwards were steaming on to the ball and running with aggression, Wakey (Amor and Ali apart) ambling in making minimal yardage and not looking like breaking a tackle

(6) Too many individual errors from forced passes, wrong options. Almost trying to score on every tackle instead of trying to build pressure and then play when were in their half,

(7) Too much throwing the ball out wide quickly without drawing a man first. The times today we did draw the man, the gaps appeared

(icon_cool.gif Baffling rotation of the subs from Agar again. Amor has a stormer in his first stint and then we don't see him again for ages. Walshaw has limited minutes, Wood comes on when game lost and as others has said is not offering enough to maintain a place. For me James and Ellis should be on the interchange bench for the Giants game

As others have said, may as well try some of the young players out between now and the end of the season to see what they can do, can't do much worse than some of the current first team.

Not sure how recruitment is going for next year, but with Amor's future yet to be confirmed and rumours around Aiton going to Leeds, thats two of the best players from the current squad potentially gone, leaving a lot of work to be done.
I should add that having now seen plenty of Mathers, I sincerely hope we do not sign him beyond this season, particularly not on the sort of money he was rumoured to be on at Cas.

Anyway there were some positives today, a 9k plus crowd, it didn't rain and Aiton put Tomkins on his booty with a couple of great hits. Speaking of which for all the great stuff he did, Tomkins feigning injury after the first Aiton hit, acting as if he was out cold only to leap up when he realised he wasn't getting a penalty, was a poor reflection on him

Aiton's got a 2 year contract, it would be the year after unless they come in and pay a fee and I can't see us wanting to part company.

I would imagine Leeds would offer us some fringe players as part of the deal, if it were to happen

Moore, Smith and Kirke?

What happened to this class player Lee Smith that the Leeds fans were telling us how lucky we were to get? He was pants during the 1st 20 minutes when the rest of the guys were holding their own.

Can't understand why Mathers didn't accidently obstruct Tomkins when he kicked through. Every other fullback in the league would've pulled that stunt.

I don't know what Hock is on but I could do with shot of it.

From me simple: Far to many errors and not enough imagination.

Giving Agar a 3 year contract is pretty much the only important thing this current regime have got wrong....but it's a very big thing. As all teams get their grounds up to scratch, what happens on the pitch is going to matter more and more. I don't see Agar being able to improve this squad and I don't trust he has the ablity to use money wisely and get more out of a better squad. He had a better squad at Hull and even our shattered and makeshift side turned them over last season. I think this squad is a little worse than I had hoped but I still feel they are grossly underachieving. I would bet a good sum that John Kear would have had them organised and we would have had 3 to 5 more wins on the board by now. So would a lot of competent coaches. How long do we persist with this weekly groundhog day? How much are we paying Agar? For me, the crowds we will slowly lose will cost more than paying him off and, if there has been no sign of us improving on these hopeless and depressingly repetitve patterns of play and mistakes, then he has to go, we cannot afford 3 years of a side that continue to look like they don't actually turn up for training.

No idea mate just speculating on how Leeds would look to try and do the deal if it were to happen. Interesting the rumour we had signed L'estrange from Bradford ties in with the Aiton to leave one (although I could be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5)

only good thing from today was seeing Tomkins getting smashed by Aiton.

With this squad of players we should be miles better than we are,when you stand back and give any side the room they will cut you up.We should be getting up and knocking them down and no player should be left looking at a team mate thinking you should have made that tackle.The defence is a shambles and aint getting better what the hell do they do in training.I would say a few other coaches would have us further down the line now and at least 4 more wins.

My son and i were staying at the same hotel in Cardiff as the said Refferee during a Magic Weekend . I have never met a person in his position so lacking in social skills as him . On more than one occasion and by several different people he had to be reminded that good manners cost nothing .

Regards , EW

In all fairness he has only been at the club a couple of days so you can't expect too much from him. Having said that it was a strange debut performance and he did not look too enthusiastic about being at Wakefield.

my gripe is ball retention and a poor kicking game the completion rate was a joke and has being for most of the season on the few occasions we did put a decent kick in the chase was poor the kick in the 2nd half a classic example when Tonkins got a pen a result of players stopping thinking the ball was dead he should have being nailed
Kirmond was clearly unfit and should not have played Smith had a very bad day at the office and Wood what is Agar looking at the Ellis situation is nothing short of a disgrace
Ben,Amor,Aiton and Fox all did well shocked a bit that Fox appears to have lost his pace when clear in the 2nd half and should have cut inside Trout needs more game time

Yes Wigan were the better team a good team made to look world beaters mainly due to us giving them the ball time and time again cut this out and the score is respectable 52 points at home is a disgrace the buck stops with P poor coaching Andrew Glover is doing a great job but please wake up before the season ends and get rid of Agar he is the weakest link

Send him back and give the kids a chance

It typified our season. Lots of fizz, lots of effort, but no reward. Wigan were good when they woke up, but we looked a beaten side during the second half. It was a pleasure to watch the double-kick try by Tomkins. Couldn't help but applaud that. Absolute class.

The side needs more than a couple of additions. I don't think the pack needs too many additions, because it is young and strong, but the backs do not provide much of a threat. Plenty of effort, but nowhere is there any real threat.

Totally agree with this Slugger.

Exactly. This needs explaining to the stupid woman sat in the stand screaming for him to "pack your bags and get back to Leeds" 3 mins into the second half. Is this a record, 43 mins into a debut???

As poor as we were, and as much as a none event it turned into, some of the things getting shouted (mainly from folk sat in the east stand!) were just daft. It was embarrassing!
Tim Smith was getting abused everytime he touched the ball by a few in there. The guy is one of only a couple of players we have that has a little bit of extra class but he cant win the games on his own and certainly not when Ollie goes back to the days when he cant hold the ball and we have a completion rate well below average.

On another note has Jamie Rooney been giving Ben lessons on kick offs?

West stand we wish

Edited for accuracy!

He did not sound too enthusiastic either on the interview on Wildcats TV on Thursday. Heard a rumour yesterday that he doesn't actually want to be here and wanted to go to Hull KR. I can't see the point of him being here to be honest. Our season is shot, surely it is time to give Cowling, Grayston a shot and see if they're up to it - let's be honest neither of them can be any worse than Smith was yesterday.

If he's here to put himself in the shop window he didn't do himself any favours yesterday.

Time for a complete change I think for Huddersfield.

Cockayne
Fletcher
Sykes
Cowling
Fox
John
Smith
Amor
Aiton
Raleigh
Lauititi
Kirmond
Washbrook

Ellis
Wilkes
James
Mariano/Johnson/Trout/Walshaw

Put Wildie in there instead of John and I may be tempted to go and watch that team against shudds

Isn't Cowling still recovering from injury? That said I agree its time to shake it up a bit and see what a few guys can do. Guys like Ben Kaye who got thrown in at Wigan, did ok and hasn't been seen again, Matt James who looked like he had something to offer then disappeared and Walshaw & Trout need an extended chance to show what they can do. Same goes for Andy Ellis who has to be a better bet than the championship-standard Kyle Wood. The season is now an uninspiring battle for 11th, we may as well see what these guys have to offer.

Tony

Morton (had a cracking match in the reserves can't do any worse IMO)
Cockayne
Sykes
Fox/Fletcher

Wildie
Smith

Amor
Aiton
Lauitiiti
Washbrook
Kirmond
Johnson

James
Mariano
Ellis
Wilkes/Raleigh