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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Smurph wouldnt get infront of Grix??? Why dont you go to Cas seen as you are willing to see our young academy products go and see old crocks come in senior will be next mark my words ... Smurph did not want to go we could have kept him i dont believe for one instant smurph had made his mind up and wanted to go to the crows. Hes been pushed .. We are a feeder club.'"
I see you have thoroughly read the press release like I say Cas 8 miles crack on and support them
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| Quote ="frogcat"sorry poptart but what wildcat 48 is saying is absolutely 100%. i personally know some of the people involved and his post is correct'"
As I've posted what seems like a million times already, it's an error to believe that what players or their WAG's, Dads or favourite Uncles tell you is 100% factual; much like the messages that come out of the club, their version of events is based on their own perceptions, opinions and whatever spin they want to convey when they tell you the story.
In this instance, as in almost every other, I'd suggest that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the various versions of events that people have conveyed; some may not agree with the end result, but it's folly to believe that anyone has acted in anything than their own best interests, and that includes the player, his agent and both of the clubs involved.
What most agree on is that Murphy decided to play out the season with WTW during the infamous 'vulture-gate' episode; good for him, it showed class and loyalty and certainly helped our season be marginally less disastrous than it could have been. The rest we'll never know, as it involves wrangling and negotiations between the player and various stakeholders and is, ultimately, private and confidential; the two clubs and the agent won't talk about the details and for mine, neither should the player or his friends and family - it's a bit sordid and disrespectful.
Going forward, I hope we're in a position to be holding on to promising local players like Murphy but in the meantime, as seems to be the case here, I hope that when they do move on to the bright lights of Uncle Ken's monied emporium, they do so in a way that represents good business for WTW; if we're going to replace the Shudds academy set-up, let's at least make them pay top dollar.
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| It Could turn out like the Rayne Twins deal, None ff us cared for that when it happened but it turned out for the best for the club and that is what we need
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| One scenario that I don't think has been mentioned is as follows and is a possibility.
Huddersfield approached Murphy while we were in administration but due to Salary Cap restrictions could only offer him a relatively small contract so Murph turned them down. However, on the presumption that we were dead in the water and going down murph agreed to join them at the end of the season on a bumper contract thinking that his contarct with us would be null and void. This was going swimmingly until we git a franchise which threw a spanner in the works.
The club knowing that Murphy wanted to leave were now in a strong bargaining position and were able to negoiate the sale of Murphy for a fee as well as the 2 Huddersfield players.
Looks like a good piece of sensible business to me.
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| NGB4C - Murphys gone face facts he aint a world class player with a string of top clubs including those down under after him.The club needs strength in depth not a wafer thin squad that cant hold a hope when a couple of players are out.Just suppose some of the money the club got in the deal gets Tongia or another good player on a 2 or3 year deal now that would be a very good deal.Now get your head out of your hands wipe your tears away SMURFFS GONE.
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| Quote ="les-goose"NGB4C - Murphys gone face facts he aint a world class player with a string of top clubs including those down under after him.The club needs strength in depth not a wafer thin squad that cant hold a hope when a couple of players are out.Just suppose some of the money the club got in the deal gets Tongia or another good player on a 2 or3 year deal now that would be a very good deal.Now get your head out of your hands wipe your tears away SMURFFS GONE.'"
Not my fight BUT lets say we sign Tongia (who i think would be ok) that'll be another none GB along with the two Aussie centres who have replaced AM and LG.
Its the bigger picture that concerns me, Sandal says it'll give Walshaw a better chance and it will but it will be second fiddle to the 2 Aussies.
I understand players come and go but i don't like replacing OUR OWN with imports, it kinda defeats the object does it not.
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| BIGAL - Cant agree more and would like to see the quota drop to 2 but as it is if it helps the club in the short term so be it lets use the system.If and when Newmarket gets the go and the club moves in the club need to be around mid table to take advantage of it as opposed to being in the bottom 3.It would be a lot easier to sell the club to potential new fans that way.
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| People are suggesting we sold Murphy in exchance for Raleigh & Kirmond + Cash.
As far as i'm aware these are two seperate deals; We sold Murphy for cash and picked up Kirmond & Raleigh for free as they wanted first team rugby and Hudds had cap issues
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Not my fight BUT lets say we sign Tongia (who i think would be ok) that'll be another none GB along with the two Aussie centres who have replaced AM and LG.
Its the bigger picture that concerns me, Sandal says it'll give Walshaw a better chance and it will but it will be second fiddle to the 2 Aussies.
I understand players come and go but i don't like replacing OUR OWN with imports, it kinda defeats the object does it not.'"
Especially when everyone on here seems to be up in arms about Chase potentially playing for England.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Not my fight BUT lets say we sign Tongia (who i think would be ok) that'll be another none GB along with the two Aussie centres who have replaced AM and LG.
Its the bigger picture that concerns me, Sandal says it'll give Walshaw a better chance and it will but it will be second fiddle to the 2 Aussies.
I understand players come and go but i don't like replacing OUR OWN with imports, it kinda defeats the object does it not.'"
Pretty much agree with this but remember we need to progress on this season which has been a bit of a disaster and imports are needed for that progression - we cannot do it straight away with our own youngsters, that is going to take time.
Walshaw will be playing second fiddle as you put to it to 2 Aussies but do you honestly believe he is ready to play SL every week and command a centre spot - I have seen little of him so I don't know. He will replace an Aussie when he is ready and good enough and I would not be surprised to see him get some game time next season on the wing.
I'm all for bringing our juniors through but they have to be good enough and ready for SL before they can come through and of course when they do they have to want to stay with us.
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| Once Ken Davey pops his clogs the house of cards will come crashing down.
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| The only cash that changed hands in this deal was the money that the Giants paid AR and DK for agreeing to join the Wildcats.
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| lets be real AM is not a international class player he is average how many tries did he score last season 3-4 how many did he create for his winger?i think he his made out to be better than he actually is and i think we have a better deal out of this.we now have quite a good set of forwards (maybe a prop short)and it wouldnt matter who we have in the halfs if we didnt have a good set of forwards
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Especially when everyone on here seems to be up in arms about Chase potentially playing for England.'"
Eh? What does Chase playing for England have to do with any of this, second time you've brought this up in unrelated topics.
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| things are shaping up nicely frankie still needs some work, but seriously carnt blame agar now he aint there!!! sure pearson will sort u out now ugly hetherington has gone
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Eh? What does Chase playing for England have to do with any of this, second time you've brought this up in unrelated topics.'"
It's not unrleated, it is the issue. Young English players aren't able to get into first teams because clubs sign the likes of Winterstein and Leano who add nothing to the sport. It's hypocritical to whinge about Chase getting picked for England but then champion the club signing average imports.
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| Frankie mariano will be next. I thought you werent aloud to poach players during the season???
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| How come any report from Hudds never mentions a cash fee?? Didnt this happen with Brough as well?
Dissapointed he has gone, a, because he is good and b, because he has come through the system here and someone else will get the benefit.
The argument with regards to his number of tries and assists he provided are a bit flawed based on the fact we played a 'limited' style of play and we were struggling all season. We all said the same about Atkins 3 years ago! Amazing how players can look so much better with decent players around them.
Dependant on the amount of cash we got, i am reasonably happy with the deal. Raleigh i like and Kirmond, you know what you are getting. Not 100% sure we needed another 2 in the pack but i suppose if good players become available, you have to take them.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Pretty much agree with this but remember we need to progress on this season which has been a bit of a disaster and imports are needed for that progression - we cannot do it straight away with our own youngsters, that is going to take time.
Walshaw will be playing second fiddle as you put to it to 2 Aussies but do you honestly believe he is ready to play SL every week and command a centre spot - I have seen little of him so I don't know. He will replace an Aussie when he is ready and good enough and I would not be surprised to see him get some game time next season on the wing.
I'm all for bringing our juniors through but they have to be good enough and ready for SL before they can come through and of course when they do they have to want to stay with us.'"
Struggling to keep up with all the comings and goings at Wakey but while the net result looks to be a significant strengthening do you think there's a real possibility your 17 most weeks wont include a single homegrown player?
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Struggling to keep up with all the comings and goings at Wakey but while the net result looks to be a significant strengthening do you think there's a real possibility your 17 most weeks wont include a single homegrown player?'"
I would like to think Wildie and Davey have done enough to get regular starts. However, with Ferguson, George and Murphy now all departed, there is a very real possibility of there being no Trinity youth in the first team. All the more reason to off load Lee and refrain from signing Obst (although he is a player I admire).
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"It's not unrleated, it is the issue. Young English players aren't able to get into first teams because clubs sign the likes of Winterstein and Leano who add nothing to the sport. It's hypocritical to whinge about Chase getting picked for England but then champion the club signing average imports.'"
I'm sorry but that is a load of rubbish, the 2 things are totally unrelated and as far as I'm concerned you can have a problem with the standard of import that sometimes finds it's way into to SL and have a completely different view on a foreigner playing for the national team especially when he's no connections to the country and in Chase's case has only come about because of the scenario he finds himself in. I think you'll find that a lot of people moan when second rate imports get signed and people are moaning now with Chase.
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