No it doesn't make you as clever as me
If you dont think the business is failing well there is no point in even discussing it.
Enjoy the game at the weekend,I'm sure the same points will be being brought up again by xomeone else.

Well first of all I'm glad you've got something to smile about, never had a problem with TRB and if you were a fan of the club neither would you, but it's noticeable your bitterness still sticks out, and if I remember rightly that was your nickname for him not mine.
I see your still as bitter as ever towards Carter, but we'll keep that between ourselves for now anyway, MCslovechild somehow doesn't have the same ring to it as mopseyslovechild does it

It wasn't created to give snide comments just take the mick out of you till I got bored, that's why I blocked you on the phone as well cos I was sick of your whinging about Carter and Kear oh and the way your rocky was treated, which I suppose that's why the character assassination, anyway good luck darn lane old boy

don't bother with the reply it won't do either of us much good.

Once more......we are a small business with limited income.

Anyone putting money in is not an investor they are giving funds with no hope of a return.

We have sponsorship who gain advertising and as far as I know (which I don't really for sure) we aren't doing bad at this compared to other seasons

We are customers, nothing more. Supporters groups are an idea that always gets raised but if you take RLfans as an example, much as enjoy debating on here, I would not want the vast majority anywhere near making decisions for the club.

point proved, hook, line and sinker
Old boy and remember mud sticks

I see somebody started a new thread on the possible return of John Kear to the club, do you have any thoughts you'd like to share on that Old Boy

Stop now both of you.

As I read this, fans are panicking because we are in a hole on the field once more.

There are two sides to Trinity: on the field and off the field.

Off the field is MC's arena. The club is in a better position than for years. We own the ground. We are financially stable (so everyone says). The ground is about to be redeveloped. MC and Mindards have done a sterling job and they should carry on.

On the field, not so good. The only criticism I can level at MC, if I really tried, was that he stuck with Chester for too long, but Chester's good couple of seasons probably gave him brownie points that bought him a season longer than perhaps should have been the case. As for Willie, we don't know if the club finances dictated his appointment, rather than advertising for someone with a greater pedigree. If it was finances, then that is just how it goes. It is hard to blame someone for on the field situations, however, when that is not his arena or forte.

As for attracting investors, there is no such thing in rugby league. Investors expect a return on the investment. Anyone who pumps money into a rugby league club does it as a hobby with money they don't mind losing. So, is it MC's fault no one is offering to waste millions of pounds? Unlikely to be a queue of people.

MC I've no issue with and I hope we don't lose him. I prefer stability over anything else. I just wish we hadn't made the same mistake as so previous years, appointing someone who is really just an assistant on the back of a sacking bounce.

A point that been laboured on here but it's clear, whoever 'invests' in the club will only ever be a wealthy fan. No business person in their right minds would 'invest'. There will be no return on that 'investment'. Carter has said many a time if anyone wants to buy the club for a notional figure they can. Guess what, there have been no takers. That says it all.

Do I think he's faultless, no, he's clearly good at what he does. Looks after the pennies and runs rhe club on a tight ship. He was an ideal owner when we were fire fighting. Sadly that only goes so far, I don't think he's the man who has the flair to take the club beyond perennial strugglers, but as with the point above, there isn't exactly a great big queue of 'White Knights' (cough, cough Eric France).

I'm not sure what 'put up or shut up' exactly means. He's not exactly saying he's either has the cash, or indeed if he did, has any inclination he wants to spend it on the club.

One of our old suitors, Steve Parkin, is about to sell Clipper Logistics for £1.3 Billion which he’ll add to his current estimated wealth of £500 Million. Alongside his other assets he’s set to be worth around £2 Billion by the end of the year or early 2023.
I wonder if anyones picked up the phone or typed him an email, just on the off chance

He was only interested when he thought he could get Guisley to Newmarket and only if we were in SL, and if he gets that amount and he wants to never see any of that money again I reckon Leeds Utd would be on his radar. Still you make a good point. He can only say no so nothing to lose.

Not true,
He promised to pay every penny of the Richardson/Pearman debt which was substantially over £3 Million
He also pledged to invest in the stadium and build a training facility that would rival a Premier League club
All he asked of the RFL was for a promise that they wouldn’t watch him spend his money and then remove Wakefields Super League licence. That’s not unreasonable given that if they relegated Wakefield he would have spent all that money for a Championship Club and taken him for a mug
Rugby League is not awash with people who have his level of wealth and for the RFL to refuse to offer any assurances and see him walk away from Wakefield and the sport was simply unbelievable.

Yes he wanted to move the Guisley 1st team into the stadium but I don’t think there was anything wrong with that at all.

I almost dare not imagine what the last 14 or 15 years could have looked like had Nigel Wood just said, off the record Steve we won’t relegate Wakefield.

You've pretty much confirmed my post, but with a lot more meat on the bone. So it's pretty much the same situation. We can't guarantee SL survival, would he be willing to 'invest' come 2023 and were are a championship club? Its certainly a question the chairman and CEO need to be asking.

The difference is in the nuance, you pretty much dismissed his interest as being all about Guisley with a bit of cynicism suggesting he wanted his hands on Newmarket. It was far far more serious than that and he really did want to buy Wakefield Trinity so much so that his lawyers spent around 2 months performing due diligence at the club at a cost of around £150k

Earlier today, somebody commented on one of the posts, I think the one about John Kear, that MC is walking away next year to live in Portugal. Take it with a pinch of salt, but doesn't he have property out there

Good for him, much better quality of life and a lot less stress.

Were we just customers a couple of years ago when most of us handed over hard earned money to the club? I would hopew MC values us more than that.

If you gave the club money, you are a customer who made a donation.
So you may be appreciated, and may be loyal, which means they should look after you, but still customers.

Which brings up another point. Can the club identify loyal customers as opposed to just passing customers.
Right now I think they'll only be able to do that through season tickets and memberships.

We are only customers not one of your best descriptions of a supporter who I believe are far more than that. If a business performed like we have over the last few seasons they would lose their customer base and go bust. A Wakefield supporter on the other hand pays their money despite get very little in return. We don’t at Wakefield ask much just a team that puts in the effort for the time they are on the field. We unlike sponsors do not get much for our money but without us the club is finished. We are starved of information from the current club unless they want us to step up and pay for some new merchandise. I wonder if we will be bringing out a new magic weekend shirt this year. I cannot remember any tweets apologising to the supporters who have invested money to go and watch the team underperform again.
I notice that Leeds are offering reduced admission for Friday giving members the opportunity to buy two additional tickets for £2.21 each, I guess it’s called marketing.

Scarlet Pimpernell Leeds can do it because of sugar daddys they are millions in det because of new stand most clubs would have gone bust .Same as Wigan ,Huddersfield .very unfair playing field

Yes but I believe we are still to start paying for the purchase of the ground, I may be wrong.

Sorry PT but to call us JUST customers is ridiculous. I am just a customer of Aldi or Asda. I am not emotionally involved with those companies but I am with Trinity.
If the product was as shabby from Aldi or Asda as it is with Trinity I would stop using them.
As it is 55 years and counting. That's not JUST a customer.

Exactly. You are a loyal customer. But in business terms that's all.
Your influence is only whether you buy the product or not. You can influence others to buy or not as a loyal customer which makes you more important but you can't alter the product. Change the staff. Or tell the owner what to do.
As loyal customers we all have strong opinions which might influence the owner, if he fears we may no longer buy the product.
That's no different to Asda selling own brand Shreddies. If you go into the store and start shouting about it, you'll just get thrown out and nothing will change. Same as if you write to the CEO about it. If loads of people feel the same way and don't buy it....they'll change the recipe.

But the opposite applies too....which I think is more your point.
If the owner loses the faith of his loyal customers, his business will die.

I'm pretty much in agreement with every word of this... in my experience the club has never been better run as a functioning business... tight financial control, with the exception of the mortgage, which is being serviced... and there are no outstanding bills, and our supply chain can rely on the club to meet its contractual requirements without resorting to threatened or actual legal action... how are you guys doing with your household budgets these days???

perhaps there could have been greater progress in the area of attracting investment, but the current business climate in the UK currently is not great, and I think the mounting debts of some of our rugby league rivals will soon come home to roost. I don't support this club because I think we will, or even can, win every week, I know that, on paper we are easily in the bottom three clubs based on playing talent. I support them because they are part of my DNA, my family, my tribe... my mob!

there may be sustainable success in the future, there may not... players, fans even custodian owners come and go... but the way I see it the current custodian owners have added more stability, surety and governance than I have seen in over 50 years... and that means that the club will probably be around for my grandchildren and great grandchildren (and their generational family in and around Wakefield).

Sustainable change only happens incrementally even with huge investment..

I first came across "if you always do what you've always done" quote in the mid 80 as a part of the TQM revolution in industry... it encourages change and innovation, but must be treated as only a part of the long term solution, for if you don't underpin change and improvement with due diligence, system and governance, you are doomed to boom and bust.

we don't have access to massive investment in the short term, so the only alternative is to make incremental changes to the business in the short term whilst seeking opportunities to create investment... but investment must attract a dividend... otherwise its just a donation... and these days there are far more deserving charities seeking angels.

And no amount of whinging and bleating with change the economics of this minor professional sport.

Away from the playing side, if you're after that stadium that earns 365 days of the year that some have mentioned, there'll need to be initial outlay there. It won't run or market itself..

It won't, but you'd like to think with two accountants running the club, that it would operate at a profit, and it would probably be money that they weren't making before.