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| Quote ="BRIGGY"Yes and bare in mind the statement by BS in the express a few weeks back where he told Finn to put his kicking game on the back burner and experiment with his (BS) own ideas, hope this does not backfire as his is a pivotal role and is instrumental in getting the team into an attacking position.'"
And that's the worry, because Finn is very limited as a playmaker.
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| Quote ="sarge1"And that's the worry, because Finn is very limited as a playmaker.'"
As a supposed Cas fan why should anything regarding Wakey be a worry for you?
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| Quote ="chissitt"As a supposed Cas fan why should anything regarding Wakey be a worry for you?'"
Maybe he's just missing him
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| Quote ="chissitt"As a supposed Cas fan why should anything regarding Wakey be a worry for you?'"
Because I don't like to see West Yorkshire clubs doing badly.
You may not be interested in other clubs but don't assume we all have the same insular attitude.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Maybe he's just missing him
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Are you trying to provoke me into the same sarcastic comment, because it wont work.
My previous comments are genuine and not in any way meant to be over critical, but it appears there are some very sensitive souls on here.
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You are very welcome to your opinion but I think the message back to you is that your opinion seems strong based on one friendly game.
As the last league game at Cas was a Wakefield win I could choose that game and say you'll finish below us. It would be based on just as sound logic.
I think the general consensus at Wakefield, since you care about us so much, is that we are improving under Smith but we still have limited and new players so it will still be a struggle but we are lightly optimistic for the season.
I hope you are back in a few weeks after the league game. It could easily be the same score as Cas are clearly on the up but I reckon we'll be ok
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| Finn was one of the best players on the field against Leeds on Boxing Day wasn't he and controlled the game? Give the lad a chance..
Trinity need to be competitive in the forward battle which it sounds they weren't against Cas.
The best half back in SL wouldn't have much chance at that level if the pack weren't winning the ruck area and making decent yardage and quick play the ball.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Finn was one of the best players on the field against Leeds on Boxing Day wasn't he and controlled the game? Give the lad a chance..
Trinity need to be competitive in the forward battle which it sounds they weren't against Cas.
The best half back in SL wouldn't have much chance at that level if the pack weren't winning the ruck area and making decent yardage and quick play the ball.'"
Or the defence were never 10mtrs from the play the ball
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| Quote ="sarge1"Because I don't like to see West Yorkshire clubs doing badly.
You may not be interested in other clubs but don't assume we all have the same insular attitude.'"
Very commendable attitude if I may say so, where you are off the mark though is in assuming that I'm making an assumption that you have the same insular attitude as me, but you did get one thing right though when you assumed I'm not interested in any other club. HTH.
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| Quote ="JINJER"If I was a coach, with a team of limited skills, the last thing I'd want is my team going all out in a friendly, showing all our planned moves to the opposition. And I think BS has this in mind.
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I was saying this to a friend of mine, Castleford seemed to be puttin plenty of moves where it seemed we didn't even try any. I hope this is the case anyway, we'll find out eventually.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Very commendable attitude if I may say so, where you are off the mark though is in assuming that I'm making an assumption that you have the same insular attitude as me, but you did get one thing right though when you assumed I'm not interested in any other club. HTH.'"
One thing I am now sure of, is that anyone who is not wholly a Wakefield fan cannot come on here and voice any level of criticism even though it is meant with the best of intentions.
You obviously wont agree, but it is obvious that other than Wakey fans are not welcome, so in future I don't think I will bother trying to join in with a thread with a title such as this one.
Maybe if Wakefield are flying high in second place (Cas being top - lol) our views may coincide. Until then, best of luck for the coming season - Byee!
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| Quote ="sarge1"One thing I am now sure of, is that anyone who is not wholly a Wakefield fan cannot come on here and voice any level of criticism even though it is meant with the best of intentions.
You obviously wont agree, but it is obvious that other than Wakey fans are not welcome, so in future I don't think I will bother trying to join in with a thread with a title such as this one.
Maybe if Wakefield are flying high in second place (Cas being top - lol) our views may coincide. Until then, best of luck for the coming season - Byee!'"
Calm down sarge people can get a little bit twitchy, it's always healthy to have opinions from outside our bubble, keep posting. You shouldn't feel that you're being hounded out mate, we got knobs coming on here from other teams, and conversely we have our own knobs (you know who you are).
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| Quote ="sarge1"One thing I am now sure of, is that anyone who is not wholly a Wakefield fan cannot come on here and voice any level of criticism even though it is meant with the best of intentions.'"
I don't think it matters whose board you go on, you don't need any invitation but you came on here and used your very first post on RL Fans that's assuming you don't have another account and promptly criticised Liam Finn, what do you want a round of applause for having a pop at one of our players, what a pity
Quote ="sarge1"You obviously wont agree, but it is obvious that other than Wakey fans are not welcome, so in future I don't think I will bother trying to join in with a thread with a title such as this one. '"
Your right I don't agree and the only thing that's obvious to me is your naivety if you think that everybody is going to agree with you when you criticise other clubs players, it is only my opinion but whichever board it's on is equally as valid as yours.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I don't think it matters whose board you go on, you don't need any invitation but you came on here and used your very first post on RL Fans that's assuming you don't have another account and promptly criticised Liam Finn, what do you want a round of applause for having a pop at one of our players, what a pity
Your right I don't agree and the only thing that's obvious to me is your naivety if you think that everybody is going to agree with you when you criticise other clubs players, it is only my opinion but whichever board it's on is equally as valid as yours.'"
Sorry mate, your over-sensitive attitude sucks. Wont be posting on here again - BYEE!
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| Quote ="sarge1"Sorry mate, your over-sensitive attitude sucks. Wont be posting on here again - BYEE!'"
Where's old tigerade gone to, he's not half as sensitive as you
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| Quote ="chissitt"Where's old tigerade gone to, he's not half as sensitive as you
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| Quote ="chissitt"Where's old tigerade gone to, he's not half as sensitive as you
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Still here old chap.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Still here old chap.
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| Quote ="JINJER"If I was a coach, with a team of limited skills, the last thing I'd want is my team going all out in a friendly, showing all our planned moves to the opposition. And I think BS has this in mind.
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Spot on matey. I’m surprised the super coaches on here didn’t spot it.
I don’t think either of us are suggesting Smith sent them out to play quite that poorly. However I suspect he told them to treat it very much as a training exercise and not risk any injuries. The fact that Cas were clearly up for it didn’t help the score line.
One of the few positives from last season is that we will in the minds of many opposition players be considered easy beats. You’re only as good as your last game and none of our recent games have been good. I’d much rather it be this way than teams preparing for us thinking we are good - it’s our only special weapon - certainly early season.
Once a team enters a game with the mindset that the opposition is easy it’s very hard to rectify that mentality in 80 minutes if they prove otherwise.
Might not work with Leeds, Wigan or Saints - fair doo’s might not even work with Cas but I can think of a few teams it might be an advantage.
Smith will know we only have so many good games in us and I’m sure he is wise enough to know when and where - and a friendly at Cas isn’t it.
We need to play well 8 times this season IMHO and if with a little luck they all produce wins we might just take 8th spot. Doesn’t sound many but from a base 3 last season it will take a vast improvement. We really need to keep our powder dry and as many players as fit as possible.
Of course it could just be that we are still poor but I'm still feeling that we have improved significantly - fingers crossed.
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| Quote ="vastman"Spot on matey. I’m surprised the super coaches on here didn’t spot it.
I don’t think either of us are suggesting Smith sent them out to play quite that poorly. However I suspect he told them to treat it very much as a training exercise and not risk any injuries. The fact that Cas were clearly up for it didn’t help the score line.
One of the few positives from last season is that we will in the minds of many opposition players be considered easy beats. You’re only as good as your last game and none of our recent games have been good. I’d much rather it be this way than teams preparing for us thinking we are good - it’s our only special weapon - certainly early season.
Once a team enters a game with the mindset that the opposition is easy it’s very hard to rectify that mentality in 80 minutes if they prove otherwise.
Might not work with Leeds, Wigan or Saints - fair doo’s might not even work with Cas but I can think of a few teams it might be an advantage.
Smith will know we only have so many good games in us and I’m sure he is wise enough to know when and where - and a friendly at Cas isn’t it.
We need to play well 8 times this season IMHO and if with a little luck they all produce wins we might just take 8th spot. Doesn’t sound many but from a base 3 last season it will take a vast improvement. We really need to keep our powder dry and as many players as fit as possible.
Of course it could just be that we are still poor but I'm still feeling that we have improved significantly - fingers crossed.'"
Absolutely spot on there old boy, Catalan Dragons are a classic example and Castleford to a lesser extent of making the top eight through home wins.
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| Hall again showed at Fev and against the Yowies that he is our only creative outside back, we have some strong runners but zero creativity. So who ever we play in the centres can run hard etc but against SL they will not create an opening. Whether you like it or not Tansey is the second most creative outside back we have.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Can't believe people think Tansey and Hall are super league quality'"
Can't believe people like you think Hall isn't - you clearly can't judge ability.
If you were to say he's lazy, erratic or lacking guts and determination I'd agree. However if you are talking quality then you're a million miles off. He's not just the most naturally gifted and intelligent footballers at our club he's one of the potentially best in SL. However he's a problem player, for whatever reason he just can't or won't perform consistently - nor will he rise to the occasion and take responsibility as a senior player should. Sport is full of such individuals and 20 years ago Hall might just have got away with it - the enigmatic genius - nowadays for better or worse those players are not tolerated.
If Brian Smith could unlock the potential even just for a season we'd have one of the best in SL on our books - however it's pretty much a waste of time IMHO as the die is cast in this case. Sad really really but HKR knew what they were doing when they dumped him.
Tansey is a shirt filler - may get a little burst out of him and he's fairly versatile - SL class? Bottom end perhaps so he's where he belongs.
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