Catalans form has picked up so i don't see why they would want him now, unless they have no desire to reach the play offs. I did hear a line that Fev were interested before they appointed Andy Hay. They dodged a bullet there.

Probably not this simple but why don't the club just sack him, let him take them to a tribunal and worry about the pay off till after the season has finished? At least give us a chance to avoid relegation.

I think it be more costly to keep him rather thsn sack him in attendaces alone

I don't believe that, if feline was our head coach she would have sorted the players out before now!

It wouldn't necessarily end in a tribunal; it's entirely legitimate to discipline someone based on poor performance - happens all the time in all workplaces - and the result of that could be dismissal; provided it was fair and reasonable in the circumstances and the proper procedure was followed, you're far from guaranteed to lose at tribunal.

One way or the other, it does seem like the end of the line for RA; pretty much none of what he does appears to be working any more, and the fans are voting with their feet.

If you want a change, change his duties to a more strategic role and thus you have the same monthly outgoings on his wage and no hefty lump sum payment. The only additional cost is then the wage of a 'new' head coach which would be the equivalent in monthly pay-out terms to that of a 'decent' SL player.

Don't agree with any of what you say nor do I think he's been the victim of any "vile" attacks. If anything he's got off lightly. I don't know him and maybe you do but frankly it's irrelevant as we are judging a the Coach not the person.

I most certainly do think he is sabotaging the club, whether that's knowingly or not - again it's irrelevant as the club not the personalities comes first and we are in serious danger.

I've watched Trinity for 25 years and I'm not going to pretend that we have not had teams as dire and lacklustre as this - we have. However the difference here is we have a coach who seems hell bent on making the situation even worse something the other culprits such as Peter Roe didn't - and I'm sorry but that is a deliberate decision - again it's irrelevant as to whether it's for the best of Agar intensions or deliberate stupidity the results tell you all you need to know. Trinity has been a failing club for 45 years and in that time I've seen mainly heroic failures whom we all loved and some average and some really poor but not in my 25 years have I seen us go out with such a gutless and defeated attitude as this from a team that could be so much more. Shocking, truly shocking and the buck has to stop at Agar. Unlike many of the other Coaches in the failed category he has to a much greater degree had the time and players to be so much better.

Hell when Kear signed he had to win was it 5 games on the bop so please let's not kid ourselves that Agar has had it rough.

RL is not and never will be a love in, it's a hard world and we now appear to be the softest club in the game and the only result of that will be relegation and then extinction in quick order.

I for one am not willing to pussy foot around as regards the merits of Agar's personality - my club is dying on it's feet and no one seems to care or see the root cause - which short term is a poor Coach.

I'm really tired of this debate to be honest as I don't see how much more obvious it can get. I want him to turn it around, I want him to be a great coach who proves me wrong, but please you tell me when that cut off point comes in your book?

Disappointed that Agar took the advice of the keyboard warriors on this forum and put Sammut and Godinet back in the halves and Mathers back to fullback. Godinet had an absolute shocker and Sammut looked lost and the whole team was disrupted again with the combination changes and that cost us the match. Also, the shocking game plan of going down the middle meant the ball never reached our centres.
Siejka and Sykes appear to have been the whipping boys, but the combination yesterday was no better and probably much worse.
Agar - stop fiddling - pick your best team and stick with it or go.

He didn't bow to us. He just adopted the same pick and hope policy he always does. We would have looked as bad no matter who played where now - the genie is out of the bottle on that one and the team is totally shot.

No I'm not letting the players off as they continue to act like losers but when your led by one what do we expect.

Sad thing is had he not unnecessarily disrupted the side in the first place Samutt and Godinet would’ve had an extra 2 months to work on a developing partnership. Apparently the forward battle was lost yesterday, no halve can create behind a beaten pack, certainly not one that Trinity could afford. Siejka and Sykes had the advantage of Trinity having plenty of ball in the opening half against Wire yet came up with nada.

He did pick his best team yesterday, alright it didn't work but Sammut n Godinet didn't have much room to work with behind a beaten pack. He needs to persevere with it now the players are in their correct (imo) positions.

We could easily have been well in that game if Kirmond had taken that pass, if McShane hadn't thrown the ball into Moores face, if Mathers try was given etc etc. So we did create that chances, just didnt finish them off.

Are you seriously suggesting Mathers on the wing again?

Mathers should play full back, at Batley (no offence Batley)

You don't have to agree Vasty, I'm fine with that. I won't copy and paste some of the comments, but lets just say social media is quite vast now and some fans attitudes and opinions mirror society. Vile, abusive and disgusting.

As far as got off lightly. Maybe so with his opinions and choices of selections, rotations and performances etc. We are third bottom of SL. Everyone has the right to question why this is so? It's not good enough! Simple and the buck stops with the coach.

I don't think it's sabotage as I believe this to be a deliberate act. What I mean by this is he doesn't want the team to deliberately fail as he has a livelihood too. You could say ruining, damaging or collapsing the club with his choices. This could even stretch to and even to the point of going out of existence. I would agree that fans have a right to think and state this. I mean if we are relegated we would seriously struggle and he was the coach.

As regards Kear, If he had lost and we would have been relegated he wouldn't have faced much criticism as it would have been easy to suggest the damage had already been done. He certainly had it rough too after that though.

Something needs to happen though Vasty, this much is clear. I won't say anything more about the person in the title of the thread.

I will say the club needs to keep improving. It has done magnificently well and the aim this year is to stay in SL. If this is achieved it would be an amazing feat and I would be extremely proud of the people that made this happen. If this is achieved the club then needs to enhance many aspects of the club. Yes the current management team have started at a severe disadvantage and yes they have had it tough. However we need to be better in lots of areas and this needs to be done quickly. There will always be issues with Wakefield Wildcats and this is apparent from being anywhere near the club. But the club can be better and needs to be better.

Not helped by once again only having one prop on the bench on a warm day. Yes Smith was in the backrow but it negates the advantage of going with a bigger starting pack if the personnel aren't there to spell them.

I was stood in "chavs corner" for the Warrington game and as Tony Smith walked past the fans gave him a round of applause. I thought if Agar walked past the Wakey crowd they would hurl their own dung at him.

I must say Smew I take a different view. We had what maybe 3-4 chances where we had breaks/opportunities to score only we didn't because we dropped the ball (Kirmond/Godinet/Moore spring to mind).

I thought Sammut and Godinet did okay. Certainly created a lot more than Sykes or Seijka do and we don't have those awful 5th and last wasted kicks from Harry.

Sammut and Godinet haven't played half back together for a while and with a few weeks they can build up a real understanding again. I'd personally stick with them. Just my opinion.

Thought Godinets' last tackle kicking was shocking yesterday. In fact I thought the half backs performances were terrible and Mathers should be no where near the team in any position.

[:2rx5peo1quote="Stanley Cat"I was stood in "chavs corner" for the Warrington game and as Tony Smith walked past the fans gave him a round of applause

Was that thanking him for taking him to Warrington??!!

Where is the source for these Warrington comments? Can't see anything online.

I heard rumours that Tony Smith has been interviewed for the Hull FC job next year.

I wouldn't have him anywhere near the team to be honest.

Looks like it was Agars last throw of the dice and it all failed anyway !

Well we have all got what we wanted - lets see what happens next with Webster.

Let's just hope Webster has enough in him to get a win over London and a couple more before the end of the season.

It was the Warrington fans stood in chavs what cheered when Smith walked past.

He self destructed himself the last 3 months what makes it worse in a way its as though he wanted it to happeb and give us our wish, he openly admitted playing sammut at full back was an experiment that went wrong he has then been that stubborn or stupid to carry on the experiment every week since until we play bradford in the biggest game of the season so far and decides to give us sammut back in the halves against a team who know all about him from that position it does not make sense

Come on Vasty you love a good shout you teddy bear

I have no idea how it happened. If it all turns into caps lock too then we are getting aggressive




I knew the situation and believe it is correct for all parties. My aim here was to offer Rich a bit of support. We all need it at times. Not being sentimental or such like mate as I have stated I wouldn't have made the choices he has and feel the decision Is the right one. Sometimes in life things don't work out as planned and we make mistakes and or things don't go in our favour. I think all of those Account for Richard Agar. It obviously didn't work out as planned, he made mistakes and certain things didn't go in his favour.

Mr Agar has left and I wish him all the best. I like him and hope he does well. I'm not going to say he's going to make a brilliant coach because I would be lying. I really don't know. But if he keeps hold of his good attributes, learns from his mistakes and learns from his experiences here then hopefully he will progress and succeed.

Moving forward Good Luck Mr Webster. Again I can't account for his abilities but wish him all the best!