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| Quote ="vastman"Does the wording really matter, although if you read this thread back it is available.
What matters is why he even bothered to reply. He wasn't required to, considering the situation wouldn't anyone other than a mischief maker just politely decline?'"
Mr vastman, as far as i know RW was asked a question and replied via this so called letter.
Who the question came from i dont know, what was in the letter i dont know.
No one as put the actual wording on this forum, we can all surmise, but no one know as of yet.
I think until we do know i think we should hang fire in name calling.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"Mr vastman, as far as i know RW was asked a question and replied via this so called letter.
Who the question came from i dont know, what was in the letter i dont know.
No one as put the actual wording on this forum, we can all surmise, but no one know as of yet.
I think until we do know i think we should hang fire in name calling.'"
I understand your position, and usually i'd agree with you but in all honesty there is 99.9% probability that what ever he wrote wasn't to the benefit of WWRLFC, and that's probably the reason they are upset without the full facts.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"As anyone got the actual wording of this letter.
I havent seen anything yet in reguards the wording.
So until i do i'll hold fire on condeming anyone.'"
I have a copy but will not post it on here. Its not what its says but the context. If you had been today you would have heard that WMDC must satisfy the inspector of a need and benefit of the whole development in order to justify green belt planning permission. One major factor in this case is trinitys 'need ' for a new stadium. Knock this one back and all of the rest will fail with it and the development will be refused. The nimbys will also know that, so how do they go about disproving that trinity have an over riding need for a new stadium ? they contact Wright and ask him if he can help. (by the way his last para says he is glad to help and will be happy to provide any further assistance).
He basically says Cas have a stadium in the bag at Glasshoughton..Not a community stadium but a Cas stadium. They would like Wakefield to share it. It is very close to Newmarket so taking this on face value Wakefield do not really need the stadium at newmarket there is a viable alternative almost ready.
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| I'll post it:
"I have been asked to comment on the position of Castleford tigers with regard to the possibility of another club playing at our new stadium at Glasshoughton.
In the first instance I can confirm that we are looking for new organisations to use our new facilities in a number of ways and we would be happy for this to be in the form of another sports club using the stadium subject to a suitable agreement being put in place. It is a community stadium and it is our objective that it is used regularly by the community.
More specifically we did agree to participate in a Wakefield Council funded feasibility study in July 2010 to determine the best location for a new community stadium in the Wakefield district; this would accommodate a ground share between ourselves and Wakefield wildcats. The Council, to our disappointment, were forced to abandon this study when Wakefield wildcats refused to participate.
However, whist we have made significant progress with our site at junction32, including a detailed planning consent in April 2011, our position with regard to sharing our new facility at Junction 32 with another club has not changed. We plan to increase revenues into the stadium from a number of sources and provide significant benefits to the community.
If you need any further information do not hesitate to contact me."
So, which part is not true?
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| It may be true but his option to reply in a negative way to NM speaks volumes.
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| Is he not supporting the objectors and damaging the chances of a new RL stadium being built.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I'll post it:
"I have been asked to comment on the position of Castleford tigers with regard to the possibility of another club playing at our new stadium at Glasshoughton.
In the first instance I can confirm that we are looking for new organisations to use our new facilities in a number of ways and we would be happy for this to be in the form of another sports club using the stadium subject to a suitable agreement being put in place. It is a community stadium and it is our objective that it is used regularly by the community.
More specifically we did agree to participate in a Wakefield Council funded feasibility study in July 2010 to determine the best location for a new community stadium in the Wakefield district; this would accommodate a ground share between ourselves and Wakefield wildcats. The Council, =#FF0000to our disappointment, were forced to abandon this study when Wakefield wildcats =#FF0000refused to participate.
However, whist we have made =#FF0000significant progress with our site at junction32, including a detailed planning consent in April 2011, our position with regard to sharing our new facility at Junction 32 with another club has not changed. We plan to increase revenues into the stadium from a number of sources and provide significant benefits to the community.
If you need any further information do not hesitate to contact me."
So, which part is not true?'"
In amongst all of the twaddle, newspapers also print many facts. It's the emotive language used to surround the facts that they use to persuade people to agree with their own bias. RW has essentially done the same thing; I've highlighted those words for you, so you can understand this.
From our point of view, there are some good things about the language used to write this letter - RW states a few times that his club are looking to secure further organisations to join them at GH (read: to fund it). It should be fairly easy for us to argue to the inspector (if indeed we haven't already) that this is a pretty self-serving letter, given current circumstances and the language used.
Also, when did Cas get permission to build a "community stadium", as RW repeatedly mentions? Did I miss something?!
Finally, insofar as stating facts: had RW really desired to do that, the letter would have read as follows:
1) Cas have detailed planning permission for GH but have yet to build the stadium. There are currently some issues in doing so.
2) Cas will groundshare if Wakefield want to.
3) Wakefield declined a feasability study for a groundshare.
EDIT: highlighting in bold apparently doesn't show up much!
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| Or to paraphrase:
"You don't need to let Trinity have Newmarket because they can play at our place, preparation for which is going really well. Look, here's a picture of me on a digger. In fact, you've only got to have this inquiry because of the unreasonableness of Trinity. So put away your briefcase now and go home. Nothing to see."
Like any procedure where two sides are heard, you are going to hear things you don't agree with. If RW's offer to play out of Glasshoughton swings it, then we don't stand a chance. Just treat it with the contempt it deserves.
Now, when Tesco start their planning for Wheldon Road, it will be perfectly alright for Mr Glover to write a letter on headed paper saying, "we've got loads of supermarkets and Cas can play out of Newmarket." Or maybe he won't, because it would just be wrong and irrelevant.
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| The councils feasibility study into the best location for a groundshare, that we refused to participate in, it would appear that RW, as he states on two seperate occasions, only has eyes for GH.
That hardly fits in with them willingly taking part in a feasibility study.
Yet again RW guilty of peddling a line, we will see how far cas have come with GH when we leave them behing when NM gets the green light, and GH is still just a plan on a piece of paper.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Or to paraphrase:
"You don't need to let Trinity have Newmarket because they can play at our place, preparation for which is going really well. Look, here's a picture of me on a digger. In fact, you've only got to have this inquiry because of the unreasonableness of Trinity. So put away your briefcase now and go home. Nothing to see."
Like any procedure where two sides are heard, you are going to hear things you don't agree with. If RW's offer to play out of Glasshoughton swings it, then we don't stand a chance. Just treat it with the contempt it deserves.
Now, when Tesco start their planning for Wheldon Road, it will be perfectly alright for Mr Glover to write a letter on headed paper saying, "we've got loads of supermarkets and Cas can play out of Newmarket." Or maybe he won't, because it would just be wrong and irrelevant.'"
Well said that man!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Or to paraphrase:
"You don't need to let Trinity have Newmarket because they can play at our place, preparation for which is going really well. Look, here's a picture of me on a digger. In fact, you've only got to have this inquiry because of the unreasonableness of Trinity. So put away your briefcase now and go home. Nothing to see."
Like any procedure where two sides are heard, you are going to hear things you don't agree with. If RW's offer to play out of Glasshoughton swings it, then we don't stand a chance. Just treat it with the contempt it deserves.
Now, when Tesco start their planning for Wheldon Road, it will be perfectly alright for Mr Glover to write a letter on headed paper saying, "we've got loads of supermarkets and Cas can play out of Newmarket." Or maybe he won't, because it would just be wrong and irrelevant.'"
Spot on.
Anyway don't see much evidence of a stadium being built at GH anytime soon. Where exactly are we going to play, Asda car park?
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| Wright is wrong.
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| I blame Richard Agar.
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| There's something in me that can't help but admire the balls of the man to produce such a disingenuous document with such obvious temerity. But that something in me is swallowed up by the overwhelming part of me which thinks he's probably the biggest bell end in the five towns area
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"I blame Richard Agar.'"
Bingo!!!
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| Vile little man. Trying to wreck our chances. We rejected a groundshare yonks ago the loony! And plus, I haven't seen any signs of where we would be playing if that ever happened anyway... 'GH mudpile'
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| Well i have just read his response. He has not slagged us of at all nor has he objected to NM.
He confrimed that they would take part in a council led feasability study and we wouldn't. He also says that Wakey can play at J32 if needed.
All we are doing is creating more publicity that we were not confident enough to up against Glasshoughton.
This may not be popular to some, but what he has sais has been said before. We have said we would welcome the Tigers to play at NM. And we did refuse to take part in the feasability study.
We should spend our time supporting our plans, in stead of going over the top like some have on here.
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| The inspector is going to look at Belle Vue, the HJ and LSV is he not. Why not ask him to pop along to visit the fabulous facilities on offer to us that Richard Wright mentions at Glasshoughton as well then.
No? Oh of course theres nothing there is there.
Ok, well just show him all the written agreements showing the funding is all in place, guarenteeing it will be built before the start of the next franchise period.
No? What, you mean there aren't any of those either.....
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| Quote ="youngcat"Well i have just read his response. He has not slagged us of at all nor has he objected to NM.
He confrimed that they would take part in a council led feasability study and we wouldn't. He also says that Wakey can play at J32 if needed.
All we are doing is creating more publicity that we were not confident enough to up against Glasshoughton.
This may not be popular to some, but what he has sais has been said before. We have said we would welcome the Tigers to play at NM. And we did refuse to take part in the feasability study.
We should spend our time supporting our plans, in stead of going over the top like some have on here.'"
But the first thing you should ask yourself is WHY SAY ANYTHING AT ALL?? why? what is the agenda of a man who could have said nothing but CHOSE to comment to a group who were against our new ground? with 'friends' like that...
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| [urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/dec/06/wakefield-castleford-stadium?[/url
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| Quote ="youngcat"Well i have just read his response. He has not slagged us of at all nor has he objected to NM.
He confrimed that they would take part in a council led feasability study and we wouldn't. He also says that Wakey can play at J32 if needed.
All we are doing is creating more publicity that we were not confident enough to up against Glasshoughton.
This may not be popular to some, but what he has sais has been said before. We have said we would welcome the Tigers to play at NM. And we did refuse to take part in the feasability study.
We should spend our time supporting our plans, in stead of going over the top like some have on here.'"
Are u for real ?
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| There's no way on earth youngcat is a WTW fan.
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| Quote ="youngcat"Well i have just read his response. He has not slagged us of at all nor has he objected to NM.
He confrimed that they would take part in a council led feasability study and we wouldn't. He also says that Wakey can play at J32 if needed.
All we are doing is creating more publicity that we were not confident enough to up against Glasshoughton.
This may not be popular to some, but what he has sais has been said before. We have said we would welcome the Tigers to play at NM. And we did refuse to take part in the feasability study.
We should spend our time supporting our plans, in stead of going over the top like some have on here.'"
It's not what he said, because I doubt it will carry any weight, it's the fact that he said it. He is objecting by implication, by stating that we can play at Glasshoughton, thus suggesting that there is no need for Newmarket, and that we acted unreasonably. He doesn't use the word "object" but he tries to give reasons why the scheme is unnecessary.
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| "Wakefield Trinity are maintaining a diplomatic silence over the discovery that Richard Wright, the chief executive of their local rivals Castleford, has CONTRIBUTED to the case AGAINST their application for a new stadium."
"Wright has yet to respond to the storm caused by his letter, although Castleford have promised a statement on Wednesday."
"Leeds city council, which is challenging the development because it involves greenbelt land, produced a batch of documents including a letter from Wright which confirmed that Wakefield have previously rejected the opportunity to share a stadium that Castleford HOPE to build a couple of junctions along the M62 – although their plans are DEPENDENT on planning permission being granted for a supermarket to be built on the site of their current home in the town at Wheldon Road."
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