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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"There was an obligation at the Public Inquiry for the Developer in return for planning gain to build a 12,000 capacity stadium and pass it to the Wakefield and District Community Trust on a 99 year lease for a peppercorn. The Trust was then to grant a 99 year underlease to the Club for a rent to be agreed between the Trust and the Club.
Everyone seemed happy with that deal at the time of the PI but apparently some are not happy with it anymore.'"
Just seen this
Is there a document though with that information that can be uploaded here
If that's the councils argument against us it would be great to see the evidence that we were promised it, if that's possible any one ?
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| I admire your blind faith and I hope the gamble because that is what it is comes off. To lose will financially destroy our great club because the costs and those of the council and 88M if involved will be astronomical especially when QC’s are involved.
The bit I don’t understand is on what grounds do we think we can win. We can state how badly we have been treated but the fact is the development was subject to certain conditions which have currently not been reached.
We have now due to recent statements virtually ensured if we leave without an agreement in place to return will quickly find the ground probably levelled and other use agreed. This means we will be homeless because we cannot stay at Dewsbury for more than one season.
Why would the council who we continue to berate allow us to share with Castleford.
We walked out of this deal I just hope we have a plan b if we lose.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"This council has held total control over the City for 0ver 40 years. No one has ever dared to question their motives or intention as they have always hidden behind the Labour Party flag.
We are all aware of the stench of Newmarket because it affects us all. However this may only be the tip of the iceberg, what has gone on in all those years with other developers that we no nothing about ??
In my opinion legal action is needed. I also believe that strong representation should be made to the government to put this inept council under special measures. They did the same with Rotherham and Doncaster and in my eyes this lot are no better. I would also like auditors and forensic accountants employed to examine all their past records as I have lost all trust in their honesty and credibility.'"
Impunity is corrosive to society. Wrongdoing needs challenging. If we end up with nowt at the end but some heads on a stick, if they're the right heads I guess I'll be happy enough
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| "...our priority is to try and get a community stadium delivered for the people of this district.
...ultimately the people who will lose the most is the fans and residents, and that is the most upsetting part of this situation."
Well at least the deputy leader has a future in stand-up comedy if she loses her job.
"These are triggers that were imposed on Wakefield Council by the Secretary of State – triggers that the Council did not and would not have agreed to."
To me, this is the crux of the matter. Can/does the SoS agree the s106 or should that have been the LPA's job?
AFAIK, The SoS stated that he would be willing to accept a UU as the case was not complex, but who actually accepts it?
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| Quote ="coco the fullback""...our priority is to try and get a community stadium delivered for the people of this district.
...ultimately the people who will lose the most is the fans and residents, and that is the most upsetting part of this situation."
Well at least the deputy leader has a future in stand-up comedy if she loses her job.
"These are triggers that were imposed on Wakefield Council by the Secretary of State – triggers that the Council did not and would not have agreed to."
To me, this is the crux of the matter. Can/does the SoS agree the s106 or should that have been the LPA's job?
AFAIK, The SoS stated that he would be willing to accept a UU as the case was not complex, but who actually accepts it?'"
Well it was WMDC who negotiated the five town parks s106. The report as to why that project should be considered very special circumstances and allowed to be built on green belt also makes interesting reading in relation to the commentary around the need for a new stadium for cas.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I admire your blind faith and I hope the gamble because that is what it is comes off. To lose will financially destroy our great club because the costs and those of the council and 88M if involved will be astronomical especially when QC’s are involved.
The bit I don’t understand is on what grounds do we think we can win. We can state how badly we have been treated but the fact is the development was subject to certain conditions which have currently not been reached.
We have now due to recent statements virtually ensured if we leave without an agreement in place to return will quickly find the ground probably levelled and other use agreed. This means we will be homeless because we cannot stay at Dewsbury for more than one season.
Why would the council who we continue to berate allow us to share with Castleford.
We walked out of this deal I just hope we have a plan b if we lose.'"
Perhaps I'm reading it wrong but why would the council not allow it, as once (if) the Cas ground is built it's theirs for a quid and nothing to do with the council
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Quote ="musson"Just reading the statement from the council and this is seems to be the main council come back
Quote from the daily star
Does any one have access to the document that says we do have to be provided a 99 year lease at a peppercorn yearly rental
It's being talked about a lot and has being one of the fundamental behind the hole stadium from the off'"
The documents can be found here, if you download the PDF and then search for "peppercorn rent" it pops up a few times to say that it was agreed that the developer would charge a peppercorn rent to the trust
cominoweb.wakefield.gov.uk/Plann ... wdocs=true
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Quote ="musson"Just reading the statement from the council and this is seems to be the main council come back
Quote from the daily star
Does any one have access to the document that says we do have to be provided a 99 year lease at a peppercorn yearly rental
It's being talked about a lot and has being one of the fundamental behind the hole stadium from the off'"
The documents can be found here, if you download the PDF and then search for "peppercorn rent" it pops up a few times to say that it was agreed that the developer would charge a peppercorn rent to the trust
cominoweb.wakefield.gov.uk/Plann ... wdocs=true
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| Do York Court even own the land on Newmarket? Got told Caddicks interested in it
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Quote ="Tricky2309"Well it was WMDC who negotiated the five town parks s106. The report as to why that project should be considered very special circumstances and allowed to be built on green belt also makes interesting reading in relation to the commentary around the need for a new stadium for cas.'"
cominoweb.wakefield.gov.uk/Plann ... nt=obj.pdf
Pages 52 and 53 make interesting reading given what the council have gone on record saying about trinity and what we have asked for
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cominoweb.wakefield.gov.uk/Plann ... nt=obj.pdf
Pages 52 and 53 make interesting reading given what the council have gone on record saying about trinity and what we have asked for
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| Just an example of where it talks about the peppercorn rent is here, funnily enough in the Proof of Evidence of Sir Rodney Walker pdf.-
Quote 5. Funding and Delivery of the Stadium
5.1 The Trust has been working closely with Yorkcourt Properties Limited on the
development of the stadium project. The reasons for the selection of this site are
dealt with by Mr Francis. Yorkcourt Properties Limited has agreed to provide the
land for the stadium which would be on the basis of a long lease to the Trust at a
peppercorn rent. The lease would be of a stadium built to a standard to
accommodate Rugby Super League and of the adjacent facilities comprising the two
3G pitches and the changing facilities/stand adjacent to those. That latter area would
have the flexibility to be developed for much wider purposes at a later date as
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| Would it not be useful to write to Mr Corbyn about this? I am well aware of the views some of our lovely forum members have on Mr Corbyn but before they all start going Daily Mail on me, hear me out.
Considering Corbyn's staunchly "loony" left political stance - meaning he generally gives a about the environment and is fairly anti-corporate benefits over community and the environment, do we not think he would be a little interested to know about what is happening under the Labour council of Wakefield? I'm sure this issue could be brought to his attention and I will be writing to him myself to bring this to his attention if possible. Labour led counselor screws taxpayer by letting developer build on green belt land without giving the community their promised community stadium. Could be a shout? Especially now the numpties in Labour who are part of this benevolent, self-serving shamozzle are getting reigned in by the left side of Labour.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Now then snowy old lad, I wonder where Box now ranks on the harris hole meter in relation to Thatcher. must be round about.
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He's her love child. The one that they kept in the attic.
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"Would it not be useful to write to Mr Corbyn about this? I am well aware of the views some of our lovely forum members have on Mr Corbyn but before they all start going Daily Mail on me, hear me out.
Considering Corbyn's staunchly "loony" left political stance - meaning he generally gives a poop about the environment and is fairly anti-corporate benefits over community and the environment, do we not think he would be a little interested to know about what is happening under the Labour council of Wakefield? I'm sure this issue could be brought to his attention and I will be writing to him myself to bring this to his attention if possible. Labour led counselor screws taxpayer by letting developer build on green belt land without giving the community their promised community stadium. Could be a shout? Especially now the numpties in Labour who are part of this benevolent, self-serving shamozzle are getting reigned in by the left side of Labour.'"
Didn't someone once mention Private Eye do a section about dodgy LAs?
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| Quote ="musson"If only we had a conservative lead council maybe we wouldnt be in this mess
Labour shafted the country and are now trying to shaft trinity'"
How many times do I have to repeat it Musson old chap. WMDC DO NOT REPRESENT LABOUR IDEALS!!!
They are greedy, self interested opportunists who are interested only in how much expenses and salaries that they can extract out of thee and me !!!
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| Quote ="Schunter"Didn't someone once mention Private Eye do a section about dodgy LAs?'"
That was me, Schunter, on many occasions. They have a section in each issue that exposes dodgy councils and their scams. Strangely I don't recall ever seeing WMDC mentioned
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| Quote ="Redscat"That was me, Schunter, on many occasions. They have a section in each issue that exposes dodgy councils and their scams. Strangely I don't recall ever seeing WMDC mentioned'"
Surely this case is perfect because of the fact a lot of docs are there to be forensically examined and compared to the councils actions. I guess lawyers involved may put paid to it now
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| Quote ="Schunter"Surely this case is perfect because of the fact a lot of docs are there to be forensically examined and compared to the councils actions. I guess lawyers involved may put paid to it now'"
I seem to remember actually emailing Private Eye editorial staff some time ago suggesting they look into the situation as it was at the time, but nothing came of it.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I admire your blind faith and I hope the gamble because that is what it is comes off. To lose will financially destroy our great club because the costs and those of the council and 88M if involved will be astronomical especially when QC’s are involved.
The bit I don’t understand is on what grounds do we think we can win. We can state how badly we have been treated but the fact is the development was subject to certain conditions which have currently not been reached.
We have now due to recent statements virtually ensured if we leave without an agreement in place to return will quickly find the ground probably levelled and other use agreed. This means we will be homeless because we cannot stay at Dewsbury for more than one season.
Why would the council who we continue to berate allow us to share with Castleford.
We walked out of this deal I just hope we have a plan b if we lose.'"
It is better to fight and lose everything than merely lose everything because we didn't fight, because it's clear that we are on a fast-track to nowhere (or Toronto) if we sit back and wait.
As for your assessment of the grounds upon which we can win, that is why the club has engaged lawyers. They will advise. I'll trust their advice over the advice of anyone on here.
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| Quote ="Redscat"How many times do I have to repeat it Musson old chap. WMDC DO NOT REPRESENT LABOUR IDEALS!!!
They are greedy, self interested opportunists who are interested only in how much expenses and salaries that they can extract out of thee and me !!!'"
If this is true... and I don't doubt your word... then socialist and true Labour may be an ally in the forthcoming battle... are you in a position to mobilise them?
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| Quote ="Schunter"Didn't someone once mention Private Eye do a section about dodgy LAs?'"
The section in Private Eye is appropriately called "Rotten Boroughs"
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I admire your blind faith and I hope the gamble because that is what it is comes off. To lose will financially destroy our great club because the costs and those of the council and 88M if involved will be astronomical especially when QC’s are involved.
The bit I don’t understand is on what grounds do we think we can win. We can state how badly we have been treated but the fact is the development was subject to certain conditions which have currently not been reached.
We have now due to recent statements virtually ensured if we leave without an agreement in place to return will quickly find the ground probably levelled and other use agreed. This means we will be homeless because we cannot stay at Dewsbury for more than one season.
Why would the council who we continue to berate allow us to share with Castleford.
We walked out of this deal I just hope we have a plan b if we lose.'"
Oh do shut up you boring agenda driven troll. It's been explained a dozen times already, mostly to YOU!
There is no option and you know it so why not do one Jimmy.
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| Quote ="Redscat"How many times do I have to repeat it Musson old chap. WMDC DO NOT REPRESENT LABOUR IDEALS!!!
They are greedy, self interested opportunists who are interested only in how much expenses and salaries that they can extract out of thee and me !!!'"
People assume I'm a conservative, if I am it's very much to the left.
However I agree, Peter Box is a career politician who only represents himself. Thatcher and Ben were ideologically motivated politicians - not sure as yet regarding Corbyn.
However compared to Box he's flipping Kennedy.
As for a Tory council give me strength. They are every bit as low grade as theirs Labour equivalents. Usually second rate businessmen and Masosons in it for gain.
No im afraid the Law which is supposedly blind is our only hope. If we get the right judge then they are like kryptonite to people like Box. Fingers crossed.
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| Great to see support for the club on social media from fans of other clubs and the odd chairman. Last nights response from Denise Jeffery was shameful. I bet those at the top at not exactly 'welcoming' their opportunity in court. No response from my local councillor as of yet so i'm wondering if they are being Boxed in. The next council meeting is 22nd November at 2pm I wonder if Trinity will be on the agenda.
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Quote ="wtid71"Great to see support for the club on social media from fans of other clubs and the odd chairman. Last nights response from Denise Jeffery was shameful. I bet those at the top at not exactly 'welcoming' their opportunity in court. No response from my local councillor as of yet so i'm wondering if they are being Boxed in. The next council meeting is 22nd November at 2pm I wonder if Trinity will be on the agenda.'"
I got a reply from Councillor Janet Holmes which showed how interested she is.
Quote I understand that an agreement has been reach. For further information could you please email djeffrey@wakefield.gov.uk (Denise Jeffrey) who has been dealing with this issue.
Kind regards,
Janet'"
Wonder what agreement was reached yesterday afternoon that has not been shared publicly yet!!
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I got a reply from Councillor Janet Holmes which showed how interested she is.
Quote I understand that an agreement has been reach. For further information could you please email djeffrey@wakefield.gov.uk (Denise Jeffrey) who has been dealing with this issue.
Kind regards,
Janet'"
Wonder what agreement was reached yesterday afternoon that has not been shared publicly yet!!
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| Quote ="Fordy"I got a reply from Councillor Janet Holmes which showed how interested she is.
Wonder what agreement was reached yesterday afternoon that has not been shared publicly yet!!
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