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| Quote ="Gaslight"That about sums it up, figures obviously can't be posted because well it isn't public information, but some people wont believe it's happening even when the Sky cameras are there for a game inside it
Oh good a Fev fan
[uThe reason the stadium hasn't been built yet is because there WASN'T the money, now there IS, 2 massively different things, I don't believe much RW says, but I do believe things I've helped to bring in[/u.'"
So you have been lying to us all along when you were quoting monetary figures
in the past, and for someone who says he doesnt believe what Mr Wright says you have not done too badly quoting him on here, btw if you want to know when Richard is lying just watch for his lips moving and finally all that crap about how you have helped bring in, give yer head a shake lad, you could not bring the milk in, so you will have to enlighten us as to how you have done something the council, RW and wheystones havent managed to do in 5 year
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Do Cas realise that dark writing on a black background is almost impossible to read? Also those mock ups should have been done ages ago. If you're involved in negotiating deals then you'll have been using these as one of your key marketing tools for quite a while or does RW just tell people to close their eyes and imagine?
It does look nice though.
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Do Cas realise that dark writing on a black background is almost impossible to read? Also those mock ups should have been done ages ago. If you're involved in negotiating deals then you'll have been using these as one of your key marketing tools for quite a while or does RW just tell people to close their eyes and imagine?
It does look nice though.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Cas do not have the money to build it .Their intention and tactics are quite simple.
They will complete full planning and then do what they have stated on their website. They will level out an area which is the base for the pitch and thats when the money will dry up. However if timed correctly it may be just enough activity and progress to get them the next licence.'"
You are aware that fraudulently carrying out business in the way you suggest would be a criminal offence? That's quite an accusation you're making there...
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| Quote ="tb"You are aware that fraudulently carrying out business in the way you suggest would be a criminal offence? That's quite an accusation you're making there...'"
No worse than what was thrown at Trinity after the collapse of the TP project by rival supporters, including Castleford fans.
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And of course you would shout about it if you have funds. It's about raising confidence.
If you publicise the fact you have the required backing it will show the project is a reality- hence attracting further business. What does cloak and daggers mixed with smoke and mirrors get you? Well ask Richard Wright- conspiracies and doubters.
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Here you go, although I very much doubt it will do much to satisfy your cynicism:
Quote "We have the funds in place – we are confident we can deliver a stadium for minimum standards in terms of the licence – but are looking at further revenue streams to enhance it," he said.
"We're working with commercial interests, community and, more recently, a working party with fans who obviously want to contribute.
"We're looking at the best way they can do that."'"
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And of course you would shout about it if you have funds. It's about raising confidence.
If you publicise the fact you have the required backing it will show the project is a reality- hence attracting further business. What does cloak and daggers mixed with smoke and mirrors get you? Well ask Richard Wright- conspiracies and doubters.
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Here you go, although I very much doubt it will do much to satisfy your cynicism:
Quote "We have the funds in place – we are confident we can deliver a stadium for minimum standards in terms of the licence – but are looking at further revenue streams to enhance it," he said.
"We're working with commercial interests, community and, more recently, a working party with fans who obviously want to contribute.
"We're looking at the best way they can do that."'"
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| Quote ="tb"You are aware that fraudulently carrying out business in the way you suggest would be a criminal offence? That's quite an accusation you're making there...'"
Come on tb you know better than that. If you read the Cas website this is exactly what they are stating. The first thing to be built is the base for the pitch, which is bar far the cheapest thing to do. They say it will be done around May next year which is franchise application time.
Dicky Wright will be up at the site with a JCB in the background trying to make us all believe construction is on its way. Infact to save a few bob he may even use the same old film he published about 2 years ago.
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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat" Last few rants,
You seem a very bitter jealous individual, cant you just wish Cas well in the way that I have wished trinity well over Newmarket ?
Are you frightened that now that things seem to be moving at Glasshoughton that you will be left behind ?
Get a grip buddy, i read somewhere that you were a teacher (apologies if wrong ), if so , I am so glad youre not teaching my kids this petty bitterness.
Good luck to trinity in the pursuit of a new home ............. see its not that hard
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| Question for Gaslight that is confusing me ... as you are one of the main movers and shakers in the Cas stadium build I'm sure you will know the answer.
I have read in various articles that Tricky D has forked out many, many thousands of Cas' money on these drawings/plans that he is now displaying. It is normal practise for the Developer to cover this - the plans for Newmarket will cost Wakefield Trinity/Community Trust nothing.
Why have Waystone not funded the latest Glasshoughton plans?
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| These threads can keep going on until the cows come home, "We have funding." "No you don't." "But we do, here, look at these articles." "He's just lying to get a license." "Don't be bitter!" "I'm not, I'm just being realistic." "But we have funding." "No you don't."
And on and on and on and on.. jesus I'm sick of hearing about the ing stadiums now.
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| Quote ="Catwoman1"Why have Waystone not funded the latest Glasshoughton plans?'"
Because Waystones funds for the project are going elsewhere, and Cas wanted to put some money in (to date most of the work has been done by Waystone) and as far as I can tell, RW wanted some input on who the architect was and how the plans would look in the end.
Waystone also haven't been involved with the plans for any of the developments so far (from memory), Xscapes design was by the company that owns that building, same for J32.
Quote ="Catwoman1" the plans for Newmarket have cost Wakefield Trinity/Community Trust nothing, they have been paid for by Yorkcourt.'"
Are Wakefield putting anything into the Newmarket development though? Glasshoughton is Castleford project in conjunction with Waystone.
As for being one of the main movers & shakers, not really just in legal, hence the contracts.
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| Yes Wakefield Trinity are putting money in towards the stadium. The architects were appointed right at the start and and have worked closely with Yorkcourt.
Seems to me under the circumstances the very large sum of money paid by Cas for the plans would have been far better utilized going towards the cost of the stadium.
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| Quote ="Catwoman1"Seems to me under the circumstances the very large sum of money paid by Cas for the plans would have been far better utilized going towards the cost of the stadium.'"
As said in the article posted by myself and Fully, the money is there, so it doesn't hurt the club wanted to contribute in other ways too, like the designs.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"As said in the article posted by myself and Fully, the money is there, so it doesn't hurt the club wanted to contribute in other ways too, like the designs.'"
Gaslight - a polite question.
Why have you made it your vocation in life to try and convince those who are utterly unconvinced about the Cas scheme and your assertions that you are correct and everyone else is wrong? I'm not saying that you are either right or wrong, I just don't understand the one-man tirade on here - especially as, with you being involved in the process, it would surely be more prudent for you to remain schtum!
By all means, having tried your best to tell us what you believe to be true, come back and tell how you tried to warn us - when it happens. In the meantime, can I respectfully suggest that, in order to prevent some of our readers dying a death of boredom (not just your posts, but those of the people replying) that you try and keep your peace for a while - I can assure you that nothing positive is being created by keeping the same arguements rolling over and over.
As a note, I have done exactly the same with regard to NM and the Cas board - whatever I know or don't know is of no interest to the Cas fans and I certainly couldn't convince any of them that what I say is true.
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| Quote ="Gaslight" [i[size=150I don't believe much RW says[/size[/i, but I do believe things I've helped to bring in.'"
Well from judging from your posts on here you naively hang on his every word. I suspect you believe what you want to believe. But having said that I have to remember your well connected so you should know! Rember all last year with your consistent claims about the Oct 2009 start date (you where in the know then!)
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Come on tb you know better than that. .'"
I know well enough what accusing a named individual of criminally fraudulent business practices amounts to.
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| Some Cas fans seem to think that NM has no chance of being started let alone finished by 2012 and even if it is that they would still get a licence ahead of us for the following reasons :
1) They get bigger crowds
2) contribution to the competition
3) We are skint (and maybe going bust)
My views are 1) we have in theory greater scope than Cas to increase our crowds with a new ground (well if it is given as a reason for the expansion area clubs and Salford its good enough for us!!!) and at present their average is only a few hundred ahead of ours and we have been garbage for the majority of the last few months.
2) Depends what positions the respective teams end up in at the end of this season and how contribution to the competition is measured. If they end up in the play-offs again, then that might be deemed they have made a greater contribution then us by doing so, however if it is done on average league position, then it brings it alot closer
3) This is obviously a concern, as alot of the things the club have done over the course of the season tend to indicate this being the case. Cas seem to have a significant sponsorship deal in the bag which is due to be announced in Sept. I suspect we need to find an injection of cash from somewhere (although not sure how we can achieve that in the current climate and the clubs present position - maybe if the stadium gets the nod, we will be in a stronger position to attract additional investment)
I know that some people don't want to get involved in a "who offers the best application" discussion/contest, but I think we have to accept that one or both us/Cas is going to be demoted, so we need to consider the merits of the respective clubs arguments on this point.
Anybody else got any views on this.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Anybody else got any views on this.'"
On the Cas-v-Wakey demotion, if all things were equal, I would think we would have a slightly better shout as Wakefield is a bigger place and so more potential.
My suspicion is that fate might deal a hand here in other quarters. The Crusaders people said that their intentions with the club were to create more money for the Wrexham football club. If the crowds keep dropping off, they won't make any money, and so may jump ship pretty rapidly.
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| My thoughts are is that there is the infrastructure for a ready made RU club in N Wales. just waiting for the RFU to throw money at them.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"On the Cas-v-Wakey demotion, if all things were equal, I would think we would have a slightly better shout as Wakefield is a bigger place and so more potential.
but that potential has not been realised since the early seventies, couple that with years of almost going out of business, selling and getting the ground given back several times and the latest episode with the taxman, trinity are the business model the RFL want in Superleague, come on slugger youre even getting Newmarket given and so will continue to survive by scrounging.
Even the most ardent trin supporter cat deny those facts
That said I hope we both stay ao go together. Superleague cant buy days like the derby days, if they could then we would have been gone some time ago, they need both of us more than we need them
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| How is Newmarket being "given" to us?
The Community Trust will be charging us rent, how is that even similar being given anything?
FWIW lets not complicate matters about "begging" with the fact RW has been behind our backs to ask for increased council funding at the expense of Newmarket. But hey when do facts matter with relation to Richard Wright and Castleford Tigers.
As I have stated before; if my theory comes to fruition and you do come "begging" to join Newmarket if it were up to me I would happily close the door and watch your club crumble, derby day and all!
And as for letting RL even enter the professional sphere of my life..... Didn't you know preaching rugby based hatred is now compulsory up to age 16 under the new national curriculum, new labour slipped in with the new standards (S16 i think) before being booted out... Cretin.
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| Sorry TRB, but once again this utter cretin of a human is at it again and needs putting in his place.
Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"FWIW lets not complicate matters about "begging" with the fact RW has been behind our backs to ask for increased council funding at the expense of Newmarket. But hey when do facts matter with relation to Richard Wright and Castleford Tigers.'"
Making a false accusation about the integrity of a chairman are we? or making a false accusation about both the council and a chairman?
That could land you in some trouble, also if you cared to READ THE ARTICLE posted yesterday by both myself and Fully, you would see THE FUNDING IS THERE.
Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"As I have stated before; if my theory comes to fruition and you do come "begging" to join Newmarket if it were up to me I would happily close the door and watch your club crumble, derby day and all!'"
Cas will play at Newmarket once a year, if Wakey are lucky enough to get a franchise next time.
Glasshoughton is going ahead, and as much as you hate this fact, you HAVE TO ACCEPT IT
Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"And as for letting RL even enter the professional sphere of my life..... Didn't you know preaching rugby based hatred is now compulsory up to age 16 under the new national curriculum, new labour slipped in with the new standards (S16 i think) before being booted out... Cretin.'"
I wouldn't put anything past you, if you're a teacher then we know why the youth of today are such a mess, if idiots like you can pass teacher training then my pet dog probably could too.
Simple fact for you, and the other 2 idiots - read the article, accept the fact Glasshoughton is going ahead, as much as you hate it and move on and concentrate on your own development, and stop trying to make rumours, fallacy and your own fantasy come off as fact
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| Is this still going on? The proof will be in the pudding for both parties. We could sit here until the cock's crow and argue about what is happening with both but neither will believe it until there's a sign saying "Stadium" on the roadsigns.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Sorry TRB, but once again this utter cretin of a human is at it again and needs putting in his place.
Making a false accusation about the integrity of a chairman are we? or making a false accusation about both the council and a chairman?
That could land you in some trouble, also if you cared to READ THE ARTICLE posted yesterday by both myself and Fully, you would see THE FUNDING IS THERE.
Cas will play at Newmarket once a year, if Wakey are lucky enough to get a franchise next time.
Glasshoughton is going ahead, and as much as you hate this fact, you HAVE TO ACCEPT IT
I wouldn't put anything past you, if you're a teacher then we know why the youth of today are such a mess, if idiots like you can pass teacher training then my pet dog probably could too.
Simple fact for you, and the other 2 idiots - read the article, accept the fact Glasshoughton is going ahead, as much as you hate it and move on and concentrate on your own development, and stop trying to make rumours, fallacy and your own fantasy come off as fact
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Well ,that really put him in his place.I bet you've totally convinced him now.
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| =#BF0040This is a public warning - aimed at 2 in particular!
Do not start name calling on here - we will not sit back and watch - we will revoke posting abilities.
And now you have ended this thread - don't even think about taking it up on another.
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