If we were safe just about and Salford's form continues, I can't think of anything funnier than Bradford getting points back and locking Salford into a relegation battle.

It would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons; Dr K is already making a fool of himself on social media with his ranting about the RFL - imagine how that would turn out if Salford ended up in the bottom 2.

If he needed further proof that you can't buy overnight success in a salary capped sport, that would surely provide it?

There is an article in the Telegraph from when Bradford were last in admin about them being braced for a points deduction and subsequently getting 6 points docked.
It also refers to Crusaders and Wake getting 4 points deducted before the start of the 2011, because the RFL were happy with their willingness to pay off some of the debt to their creditors.
I was expecting Bradford to get 2 points back but there seems to be no mention of paying back creditors, just the 'force majeure' route.
So can't see them getting owt back.

You are making the dangerous mistake of applying common sense and logic to this matter.

In 2011 you got four points for being in administration as did Crusaders when they did the same.

in 2001 you got 4pts lowered to 2pts on appeal and we went down so whilst I have no love for Bradford fairness would dictate a 2pt reduction to 4 pts for consistencies sake !!!

2001 was for salary cap breach not administration just forgot to add it !!

One would assume your probably right - however neither you or us received the support from the RFL Bradford have and they still managed to cock up, so maybe not.

I had to check but I was surprised we were only 1 point ahead of you when you went down that year.
The salary cap breach, I thought was lower because our breach was less than the people who got 4 points. I recall 4 being posted for some infringements and 2 for others.

I can't imagine the RFL did us any favours at the time but if it was reduced I can't remember the reasoning.

The thing that amazes me most is that we actually were in a position to break the cap!!!!

(By the way I know the cap worked differently back then)

Not spending over the cap, spending more than the % of our income that iwas allocated.
I think there were points for how much over the cap you were. We wee only jkust over I think because we didn't understand (knowingly or not I don't know) how some of the figures were allocated.

12 pages on something we have no control over. We do however have control over our performances, so just let the Bradford supporters worry and try to justify why they should get the points back. We have a good team and yet we are preoccupied with relegation.
I don't read similar threads on the Salford, Hull, Hull KR or Catalan forums and yet they appear no safer than us. If they can justify to an independent panel that they should get their points back because the second administration caused by the current owner was forced on them then good luck I say.

Ask any of those if they considered themselves (or consider themselves) to be bottom two material and they will all say no.
Ask any of the wider RL public if any of those clubs were to be considered to be bottom two material and i am certain at least two of those clubs would not have got a mention.
Ask our supporters who they would expect to be fighting it out for the bottom two and i am sure many would have said we would be in the mix.
There's your answer.
I do agree though that this has become something of a forum obsession and like you think we are good enough to stay enough points clear of the Bulls if we continue to show the improvements of late.
I fully expect the Bulls points penalty to be (rightly or wrongly) reduced, so lets just concentrate on putting clear blue water between us and them by winning some more games.
We are closer to the top eight than we are relegation.

This all about money and who has the right to stop up, wakefield has gone about it the right way while bradford chose to cling on for as long aspossible
It won't effect me as a supporter if we have a club to support that's how close we are

Unbelievably the reasoning for the reduction was that the administration meant that some of the money owed was never paid bring the amount Wakefield exceeded the cap by down.

In effect, in this case Wakefield got points back because of Admin.

They won't get anything back. MG is just chancing his arm as he has nothing to lose, apart from whatever the costs are.

MG put OK Bulls into administration to protect his own money and wants to claim that this was unforeseeable or unavoidable. Take over the assets of a club you placed into administration and try to get the insolvency punishment reduced?

May get some Bulls fans onside, but that's all.

According to sky sports news:
"Bradford's appeal against their points deduction will be heard on Wednesday June 4.
The hearing, before an independent sporting sanctions appeals panel, will be held three days after the Bulls play Wakefield in a potential relegation four-pointer at Odsal's Provident Stadium."

The RFL love leaving matches and blue touch paper about.

Bad timing. Doesn't matter now what the actual reasons are (getting an independent panel together, collecting evidence etc. etc.) so so many people will now believe that the RFL will be influenced by the result of the Bradford v Wakefield match. There are enough conspiracy theorists around without creating the perfect environment for breeding them. You would hope they would think of that when planning these things. Oh sorry - I used "RFL", "think" and "planning" in the same sentence



- time for my medication

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Should have it straight after match has finished, like Challenge Cup draw, with 3 balls in a bag.
One hot one cold and one room temperature with the points they are going to get back on each one!

The be all and end of the matter is IF WE win enough games on the pitch it wont matter what the RFL or an independent panel decide

Agree completely. The best and only way to shut everyone up.

We need to be at Bradford for their game in full force.
You can bet they will see this as their big chance and will drag every stay away fan back to make it a big atmosphere for them.
The players need to see and hear the red, white and blue

Agreed Pop Tart
Although you "just know" they will be given some of the 6 points back, we can go there and show them that it is Wakefield that deserve to be in the top flight and not the RFL Bulls with their iconic this, that or the other.

Has anyone found out who is sitting on this independent panel just so we know it is Independent like.

it sounds very independent when very concidently they are waiting until we play Bradford to annouce the result...

If they beat us home and away it would add weight to their argument.
This game is more than a four pointer, if we win; psychologically it would damage the bulls I'm sure. If we lose; it could give the RFL an opportunity to push the bulls cause, give the bulls a huge boost and make for a Hollywood-esque style run in to the end of the season and a million pound game style saga.