The Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968/69 killed 80,000 people in the UK, and that was amongst a much smaller population than now.
I don't recall there been the severe measures put in place that there is now.
There are likely to be more non Covid 19 deaths caused by lockdown, people not been able to access NHS care for other serious life threatening diseases, loneliness, depression etc .
I've no idea why the powers that be, have taken the steps they have, but my children and grandchildren will be paying for it for years to come.

It's fair to say that the world was a very different place in 1968 with significantly less movement of people, especially between countries.
Although there are some that just dont believe the numbers circa 50,000 dead and this with severe lockdown and restrictions on movement - just imagine how high that number could have been.
Not to mention huge improvements in living conditions and medicine over the past 50 years.
I absolutely agree that the price to be paid by our kids and grand kids will be huge and long lasting and that many people will suffer and some sadly die as a consequence.

However, as I mentioned in my earlier post, no government on the planet would lock their ecconomy down for fun as it's very likely to see them removed from office when the electorate have chance.

I agree with Miro on this subject. It's all political exactly like the Iraq War. This has been created to interefere with the US elections in November and as a power grab by Governments across the world.

Has anyone cared to investigate why Dominic Cummings traveled to Barnard Castle?

Was it the official narrative of testing his eye sight, spending time with his family or something else?

Can anyone on here provide the actual answer?

Does anyone not pushing a rad left agenda, even care

Wish someone would tell Boris 40,000+ dead is not a record to be proud of.

Has anyone even questioned the mainstream media's obsession with George Floyd? Please look up this man's previous convictions.
The character of the killer cop? What racist group is he a member of? Evidence of his behavior suggests that of a psychopath rather than an actual racist.
Does anyone question why they spread FEAR through a flu like virus and inciting identity politics? It's 'Divide & Rule', they've done it throughout History, ask any person who has studied history at a high academic level. Examples of this existed in India between Hindu and Muslim relations, in Ireland between Protestants and Catholics. FEAR is a psychological tool to control people. It's quite obvious to them that the majority of Britain now isn't religious and cannot be controlled using it anymore. So they're using a classic fascist and communist style media brainwashing to make us comply with their fake narrative. Alleging the British police that work in a highly dangerous job on a pittance wage to protect us from crime are all racists?

The media are behind perpetuating all this nonsense and need to stand trial immediately. I accept this virus is real but the hysteria whipped up around it is fake. The blanket manufactured racism accusations against British police officers in the US and UK is pathetic. It's all to push this "new normal" an agenda that make's us accept their wishes without any critical thinking or discussion. So sad to see the day that extreme left wing politics is trying to undermine the progress of this great country.

Excellent post, you've hit the nail on the head.

Never before did I realise that Wakefield was conspiracy central

You learn something new everyday Wrencat, so the saying goes,

I think if anyone needs to stand trail it’s the cabinet.

My only question is....... Who is THEY?

I'm going to regret making this thread aren't I?
At least we are all discussing in a civil way. Thank you for that.

which one first, current or shadow
its not like we're over run with palatable alternatives

On previous poster regarding the cabinet, I certainly agree they should also stand trial. They are part of the same problem as the mainstream media. Does anyone realise organisations like the BBC are state funded to spread psychological fear? It's no secret, you can find it on their Gov website, lookup the SAGE Meeting 18, 23 March 2020 "Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures". Is this not open to corruption? On this matter, why were SAGE daily meetings cancelled and not declared between 19 March to 22 March just before lockdown? Why don't the media talk about #oldlivesmatter? The care homes make up 57% of the total COVID19 deaths; that's people of all genders and ethnicity. This is an absolute national tragedy and needs again immediate investigation. Plenty of owners, nurses and carers have sounded the alarm that they were clearing old people out of hospital and dumping them into care homes. Everyone knew before this crisis with the information coming out of Italy that COVID19 is far worst for the elderly than the seasonal flu. Would any decent minded person on this forum push for that to happen even if a patient was suffering from the seasonal flu?

As for THEY my honest answer at this time is I don't actually know. I would put my suspicion of it being planned by the US Democrat party, funded by the EU council, WHO and China. Remember it's election year in the US and it's quite clear Donal Trump is hated by the elite all over the world. Also by the UK political classes, both Tory and Labour, that hold the people's Brexit vote with such contempt.

I would be though more confident in answering the current debate surrounding the "second wave" argument. Unequivocally my answer is Yes. This will start to build momentum in November / December 2020. If you look at the ONS data for the last 20 years its undoubted that respiratory diseases spread much faster the last few weeks of December. All those extra deaths from flu like illnesses and deaths from undiagnosed cancer sufferers will undoubtedly be associated to COVID19. With the amount of money being invested into the vaccine they will looking to force the vaccine onto us so they see a return. This virus does not warrant a vaccine for the mass majority of this country. Any doubts please go and listen to the Oxford University Professor Sunetra Gupta on YouTube.

Can I just say please don't think I'm being insensitive to this debate. I'm as upset as anyone for the lives lost and economic damage caused by this crisis. A work colleague of mine died with COVID19 as the hospital had cancelled treatment for edema caused by diabetes. All I want is to get to the bottom of the truth.

Respect to everyone on here no matter their view. Freedom of thought over censorship.

I'll say one thing, it's one hell of a theory and why on earth would EVERY nation on the planet go along with the "master plan" ?

It's worth remembering that because the BBC is state funded, we are all entitled to question their actions, quite openly and they do reply when questions are asked of them.
They also get quizzes regularly by both sides of the political divide which generally speaking keeps them relatively honest, certainly more so than your average facebook or Instagram forum.

Try it !

Also, when "they" force the vaccine upon "us", what would you expect to happen ?

FEAR is a disease of the human mind and it can be contagious. In a modern world of 'Group Think' and social media people are trained to be Followers and not to step away and question the facts. It's quite logical many smaller nations on the world stage are just copying but have you noticed how few cases they've suffered compared to the Big World Influencers even post lockdown with all these mass protests around the world. Hardly any.

The BBC are framing vandalism and politics of skin colour as acceptable. They framed this virus as another 1918 situation, it never was or even close. Listen to their tone and wording next time you watch.

The Vaccine, simple you won't be allowed back in the office, you won't be able to travel but if you take this vaccine you will be let free.

I'd urge anyone to subscribe to Carl Vernon on YouTube. He's a very insightful commentator and doesn't hold back in mocking the lack of actual scientific data held by the Government.

Wow! Just wow!

Anyone remember the Swine Flu Pandemic? Anyone care to google Pandemrix? Anyone heard of GlaxoSmithKline? Feel free to google their history of lawsuits filed against them. Then come back and comment again about vaccines.

Has anybody who posts on here heard of Couldenhove Kalergi.
If you havn't, Google the
name and his plan, and read it, makes for very interesting reading,especially if you're into conspiracy theories.

Have you heard of Donald Trump or Sean Hannity who are also both into conspiracy theories

After a week of fawning around the worst elements of black society (no worse or bigger than white) the police have lost the streets. Two beaten randomly for entertainment by youth who now feel untoucheable!

The moment those idiotic coppers took the knee it was obvious to anyone with a brain that they would be on them soon enough.

Pandering to any part of society by the police can only lead to the destruction of law and order.

Finally where the hell is Boris, the most gutless PM to ever live. He has a huge mandate but hides away like a frightened boy as anarchy starts to reign..

I’m a true blue but if this man has any better qualities than Corbyn I’m yet to see them. He’s not fit to lick Mays boots and who’s have thought that.

Tragic, Attlee, Thatcher hell even Blair love or hate them there would have been some action by now.

Well, you're right about Boris
All of the clues were there before the General Election, lying, cheating, twisting and hiding.
He's a typical "Champagne Charlie", perfectly ok for the good times but, found severely wanting when things get tough and as others have already alluded to, the pain and fall out following the current covid crisis, will make the last 12 weeks seem like a holiday.
Spending and borrowing is already out of control and unemployment, while currently masked by the furlough scheme, will skyrocket.
Throw in massively reduced tax receipts into the exchequer and BOOM, the perfect storm and this bloke is not the man when there is a storm brewing.
Apart from over rehed sound bites, he's got nothing to offer.

Im no bojo fan but could anyone actually defend his total lack of leadership. Your right wrencat all the signs of his bumbling were in view for all to see before the election. .
He had the perfect opportunity to lead the country and with the majority of voters well and truly behind him but hes blown it at the first hurdle.
Hel be ok at the end of all this but others will be thrown aside.