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He was happy to drop Pauli Pauli and Max but he has a blind spot in respect of Brough. What has he got to lose after our current run of form, I doubt it would make the performance any worse and who knows it might be what is needed in the halves.

Looking at yesterday’s game yes the half’s were poor and offered little to nothing in attack but that’s only half the story I’m afraid .The whole way we attack is shambolic with players taking long passes stood and not running onto the ball ,I watch all sky games and it doesn’t seem a problem to other teams,in fact it’s a basic of the game and we can’t or won’t do it. Why have we stopped offloading in or before the tackle ,we’ve got the five drives and a kick off to a fine art ,twice yesterday Toupou could have unloaded to escare who had a clear run to the line but took the tackle ,it’s not a dig at toupou its a dig at whoever ,whatever has turned these player into such one dimensional players.This team has played sensational rugby over the last season or two ,what the hell has gone so wrong for them to now play like they are just starting out together, we struggle to get the basics right on game day so set movers are pie in the sky until something dramatically changes at the club.
I’ll be going to hull kr as a matter of loyalty and hoping for improvements not the points I’m afraid .

th3 reason nothing
Is effective down broughs side is because he's so slow the defence know he's never going to run with it, he runs sideways takes all the space and It makes everyone else look bad.

Fans can call for rocky with brough escare with brough it won't make any difference because brough is simply too dominant, he wants 5 balls to himself, fin piece of jigsaw my backside his legs went ages ago. Address the problem of brough and it will turn our way
1 escare
6 Miller
7 rocky
Pace to worry any team
And tell our best forwards no.ifs or bits roll your sleeves up and be prepared to play 80 minutes

This won’t happen. Chester suffers from CCBW syndrome, the curse of British coaches and will never drop Brough or Miller.

It is costing us and all we can hope now is by some miracle Brough has one good, not even great, just good performance left in him because Chester will not change. In fact the more obvious the change and the more demanding the fans get the more he will dig in! It’s tragic it really is.

Hampshire may not be the answer but he’s far more worthy than a 35 year old has been and a lazy Aussie. The fans never wanted Brough, then for a while we looked like we were wrong, we weren’t.

And now, the end is near...

And so "we" face the final curtain...

The club identified Brough to provide the final link, it aint happened. Other than drop Brough what are the options, could he play at 9. I think the club tends to show loyalty to some and gives the impression it couldn't care less about others. Its stance with Rocky seems crazy and the off loading to Shuds even worse. We have a squad that I honestly think could have coped better if used correctly with the injury situation. I don't know for sure I just think CC probably would have offered his resignation based on the results. We lack a spark on the pitch and CC seems to lack a basic understanding of his squad and capabilities, somethings just not right.
The reluctance to change things at 6 and 7 could send the club down and if we stay up what will happen next season persisting with with Miller and Brough

Unless we get half back injuries Brough shouldn’t play again this season. If Reynolds had still been at club would have put him in front of Brough. Slow,predictable and lacking ideas would be words to describe him for a few months now. Sometimes in the past his kicking game has helped but even that is poor now. If Chester isn’t to go then he needs the balls to drop him and go with Miller and Ryan

Hull slowed the play down alot but we're simply not good enough. At the moment we offer nothing going forward (unless Daves on the field), too many balls taken from stand still and nobody looking to support half the time. Neither Brough or Miller delivering the goods at the mo, so for me it'd be going back to Miller & Hamsphire in the halves and put Escare at full back. Still lacking intent and aggression in defense bar one or two players.

It's seems the consensus from most of us is the attacking play is dreadful, Flat lines and poor passing play are making us so easy to defend against.
Not quite sure why everybody blaming miller for most of the poor play i must be watching a different game then, Lack of any angle runs or combinations set plays have dried up we should be doing so much better with the players at our disposal it's criminal.

And we bring in Morgan escare and put him on the wing were he looked bored shztless until he got the ball he was the only one i thought that showed a bit of class looking dangerous looking for gaps or someone to run into one, If chester doesn't want to play Max's at fb then put rocky at fb and m escare in the halves we would have great pace in the halves and a possible a very good combo with rocky in support of escare.

Unfortunately it's not working with Danny brough he's getting targeted all the time a bit like pauli pauli so things need to change now because we are running out of games to put it right.

My thoughts too.

I was there yesterday supporting Hull FC. Of course we know Miller and Brough well. Brough for a short while was a cup winning influence for us. Miller much later, was the great hope who was just too young for SL when we had him.
I'm aware that on this thread Miller is getting a lot of stick. But yesterday he was the half who I saw as the main threat from you. But a 6 sometimes needs runners off him and that doesn't seem to be happening with Trin. If it did then it would keep opposing defences honest because they're covering all the options a lively 6 has.
The lack of runners means that we just had to snag Miller and the threat is nulled. It makes him look a worse player because we don't have to worry about the non-existent decoy runners. Just scrag Miller.
It wasnt so long ago Miller was an outstanding player for Trin with Finn at 7 the perfect foil for him. Miller looked very good and Trinity were playing some great stuff. He had many plaudits and he is the same player today really, but something around him has changed.
Danny Brough has been a great player, but the clock has ticked on and he just isn't great anymore, far from it in fact. Its hard for him I guess because he's been a Captain and organiser but these days all of his skills and threats are much less than they were.
Yesterday he didn't register for me as any kind of threat concern and I wasn't even sure he was really switched on. De-motivated so to speak.
If Danny had been released at the end of last season he wouldn't have got a gig with any other Super League club, but you gave him another run and your paying the price now. Just a gamble gone wrong, it happens.

In Miller you have a player, you've all seen it. On occasions he was winning some games on his own.
Its not an age thing with Milky, its organisational and its playing with the right partner. I thought Brough could be a perfect replacement for Finn, but he's not. He still wants to be the game breaker but he's not got it now. Infact he's nowhere near being that player these days.
In the Championship maybe he could be.
I think you all know what the negative catalyst is.

Well that was awful; despite Hull doing their level best to gift us an unassailable lead in the first half (how many knock-ons/handling errors?!) we just refused to capitalise. We used the same tired move near the line every time, with Kopczak running an entirely predictable line, and when that didn't work, we reverted to a Brough kick to nowt, which yielded nothing. Miller seems intent on booking Tanganoa a berth at Pinderfields with that ridiculous short pass, and when your toughest, most hardworking forward is a terminally crocked Danny Kirmond, you know you're in bother.

For me, Brough needs to sit down for the rest of the season, and we go with a spine of Escare at FB, Miller and Hampshire at 6 and 7 and Kershaw on one wing - at least that way, we have pace; I'm not entirely sure what we're expecting Atkins to bring, but Toups doesn't look fit, so maybe that's a straight swap; and Big Dave should be thanked, but sat down - it's not fair to wheel him out when he's very obviously on one leg, trying to win the game on his own.

All in all, I wish I'd stayed at home and nursed my hangover, which I suspect is what PP was doing, judging by the state he was in on Saturday night.

Tupou still offered/offers more than Lyne. The rest I think all, bar Chris Chester, would agree with.

Hull in peace.

For me Wakey suffered up front, Big Dave was not at his best and was passing the ball rather than running, leaving Pauli out, who has caused us problems every time he plays suited us. So the halves get the usual bashing.

Unfortunately Pauli seems to have burned his bridges with us. We just haven't seen the form and effort from him that's required, Big Dave is playing on a fractured foot and it shows.

Big Dave has been playing for weeks with a broken bone in his foot.

I know, and it’s commendable, but it lessens his impact, consequently your halves don’t have the go forward they need.

Its fine to suggest Tupou & Lyne haven't hit the form of the last 2 years but this all comes down to the forwards laying the platform and the halves creating space on the edges by having forwards running lines to draw the defenders in hence giving the likes of Tupou and Lyne space to attack. There's only Ashurst who actually runs against the grain and its clear to see we miss him more than some realise.

Miller and Brough are running laterally across the line and by the time hampshire / lyne / tupou have ball in hand the defence has simply slid across.

Brough is also too dominant and everything needs to go through him, his distribution is poor and he passes too early. It's no coincidence Miller was top of the assists chart last year and now he's having possibly his worst season in a trinity shirt.

Has Chester got balls to drop Brough? I dont thinks so.

Not sure on your basis for this, but the ruck was a joke when Wakefield were defending.

As has been pointed out, Hulls handling in the opening 20 mins was poor but a couple of the knock on's given were simply not knock ons (Minichello plays the ball correctly, wakey player in the ruck doesn't get away or make any effort to move, gets in Houghtons ways, houghton never actually gets to the ball which is now on the prone wakey player still in the ruck. Refs Decision, Knock on by Hull!!!).

Also, the officials policing of keeping the defense back 10 metres for both sides prevented much expansive play.

Overall, it was not one for the purists.

The infringement was by Minichello stepping forward off the mark. The rule brought in part way through the season was that if a tackling player was in the way then the player about to play the ball should take a step back to play the ball, not in front. You could clearly see the ref explain this to Mini and Houghton when the offence occurred.

If that were the case, it would have been a penalty and not a scrum with wakey feed.

Minichello stood up and played the ball. If he had stepped backwards he would have been on top of the wakey player not making any attempted to get out of the way.

Seen a few saying this and earlier in the season i agreed. Now however i don't, i don't think he is offering anything at the minute. Most sets he won't even touch the ball until the 5th tackle.