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| The difference is Dewsbury already exists with a club in residence Newmarket would of been us in residence.
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| Quote ="Two Points"Just to clear up where Newmarket actually is. Prior to 1974 it was in Rothwell Urban District Council area, the boundary with Stanley UDC being on the A642 just Leeds side of Moorhouse Estate Stanley. Rothwell UDC had the choice of whether to join Leeds or Wakefield Council areas in 1974 and chose Wakefield (a large part of Rothwell UDC (Lofthouse, RobinHood etc ) had Wakefield addresses and postcodes (and still has) and it was felt by the council that they would have more say in Wakefield rather than the bigger Leeds area. However some Lady Whatsittwerp decided that Rothwell should be in Leeds and that is where it went. So Newmarket became part of Leeds by default. Sometime later (2000?) the boundaries were redrawn and everything Wakefield side of the M62 (apart from Lofthouse which would have been split in two) was moved into Wakefield and by default that included Newmarket. Just so everybody is clear. I would say the site of the proposed ground is as big a distance inside Wakefield MDC as Dewsbury's ground is outside it. Not sure where people say the Wakefield City boundary is. It used to be near Pinderfields Hospital prior to 1974 and a sign still welcomes you to Wakefield there.'"
It was the Local Authority Boundary Commision for England Review of West Yorkshire of 1987 (Report No 600)
when the review board recommended that, for convenience, the M62 should form the boundary between Leeds and Wakefield in that locality. The recommendation was implemented shortly after.
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| So.... what I read is that Trinity will move to Dewsbury to share a facility owned by a part time team.... meanwhile another club named Sheffield Eagles will be the only (albeit semi) professional sports team left playing in the city of Wakefield.... leasing the ground from ????...
I'm actually lost as to what I think about all this! I totally understand why this is happening but that does not take away the sense of shock and loss that this could happen.
I used to live within a stones throw of the ground and loved watching the A team and colts fixtures on a walk up basis... if I'm honest if I still lived in the area I would probably follow Trinity to Dewsbury.. but The Eagles would get my walk up custom... and if the situation persisted over a number of years I would probably end up only watching the team that played locally.
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| Must say I am utterly confused .Just read YEP article where MC talks positively about move to Dewsbury . I also distinctly remember him saying upgrading Dewsbury to Superleague standard was feasible.
On the other hand we have Sandal Cat saying no way we will be allowed to be in Superleague if we relocate permanently to Dewsbury.
Come on . Who is correct?
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| Quote ="Spookdownunder"So.... what I read is that Trinity will move to Dewsbury to share a facility owned by a part time team.... meanwhile another club named Sheffield Eagles will be the only (albeit semi) professional sports team left playing in the city of Wakefield.... leasing the ground from ????...
I'm actually lost as to what I think about all this! I totally understand why this is happening but that does not take away the sense of shock and loss that this could happen.
I used to live within a stones throw of the ground and loved watching the A team and colts fixtures on a walk up basis... if I'm honest if I still lived in the area I would probably follow Trinity to Dewsbury.. but The Eagles would get my walk up custom... and if the situation persisted over a number of years I would probably end up only watching the team that played locally.'"
If Wakefield move it will be after the 2017 season, Sheffield will only be playing at Belle Vue for the 2017 season as they're moving back to Sheffield for 2018.
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Must say I am utterly confused .Just read YEP article where MC talks positively about move to Dewsbury . I also distinctly remember him saying upgrading Dewsbury to Superleague standard was feasible.
On the other hand we have Sandal Cat saying no way we will be allowed to be in Superleague if we relocate permanently to Dewsbury.
Come on . Who is correct?'"
Michael told me this morning that we would not be allowed to remain in Super League if the move ended up being permanent and we would become a Championship Club. The RFL would allow us to play there if it was temporary and there was a way back into Wakefield and Dewsbury was upgraded to meet SL minimum standards.
Hope that clears things up.
Our future as a SL side is dependant on a new/upgraded stadium in Wakefield. That is why we must continue to fight for what was promised to the people of Wakefield.
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| OK . So that clarifies that.Thanks SC.
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| Why pay money to upgrade Dewsbury to SL standard wouldn't that money be better spent on Belle Vue.
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| Sad as it seems, I just have a feeling that in a few years time Wakefield Metropolitan District will not have a Super League Rugby club regardless of ground / stadium plans for Trinity and Cas.Tigers. Two teams who are in their infancy and if they are successful will probably make it to Super League at our expense. One is based in Canada and the other is in France (not the Dragons) I just think that is the way Super League and Sky are wanting the game to go, maybe 4 or 5 top clubs from the Rugby League M62 corridor,1 from another major city in the UK,.2 from France, 1 from Canada and maybe one from the USA.
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| Quote ="KevW60349"Sad as it seems, I just have a feeling that in a few years time Wakefield Metropolitan District will not have a Super League Rugby club regardless of ground / stadium plans for Trinity and Cas.Tigers. Two teams who are in their infancy and if they are successful will probably make it to Super League at our expense. One is based in Canada and the other is in France (not the Dragons) I just think that is the way Super League and Sky are wanting the game to go, maybe 4 or 5 top clubs from the Rugby League M62 corridor,1 from another major city in the UK,.2 from France, 1 from Canada and maybe one from the USA.'"
People have been saying that since the start of Super League. It has never even been close to happening.
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| A lot of people are asking how it's come to this and the usual suspects are being wheeled and of course they are all partly to blame. Walker, Ted, Glover, Box and Yorkcourt to name but a few.
However there was one event and one organisation that are rarely mentioned and both are IMHO more culpable than any of the above.Both are about timing which is the one issue we couldn't control and it's the one that always gets us.
First was the credit crunch and banking collapse 0f 2008. Up until that point Thornes was a goer, yes there were issues and I reckon the final stadium would have been much more basic than a very enthusiast Mr Box was suggesting, and yes he was really up for it at the time even if they didn't own some of the land they thought they did. Truth is had we started SWAG two years earlier and had moved the process two years on I'm reasonably confident that the development would have gone to far to stop. This is pretty much what happened with the Hemsworth and Trinity walk. The moment the credit crisis hit Thornes was doomed because at that point only words had been committed,
Secondly is the RFL who's running of the game since 1995 has been criminal. People say Ted ignored the ground and he did. However our only concern was to stay in SL because catch 22 we didn't have a ground that would allow us to return. Through the years a weak and pathetic RFL have changed the P&R criteria on an almost yearly basis. How the hell can you build a business from the starting point we had. When we hocked the ground it was during a period where it was a franchise and so long as you matched it you stayed in, hence we borrowed money to achieve that. Then don't you know a few years later they ditch that and replace it with 1 up 1 down then the MPG FFS! There is a reason the NRL works, STABILITY a word beyond the comprehension of Redhall!!!!
I know the same applies to other clubs and some have coped better however when you think that Workington, PSG, London, Oldham and now Bradford who were all in the inaugral SL season are either gone or nearly gone then it's fair to say not many have coped. When you look at the past 15 years and who's gone it's a miracle we are still here and still fighting.
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| What is really annoying about this is that this morning, Michael Carter has tweeted the news of 2 clubs who have been granted permission regarding Stadia, with Sheffield and Leeds.
Don't want to turn this thread, into a political debate, but who keeps voting these clowns in, such as Box etc.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"What is really annoying about this is that this morning, Michael Carter has tweeted the news of 2 clubs who have been granted permission regarding Stadia, with Sheffield and Leeds.
Don't want to turn this thread, into a political debate, but who keeps voting these clowns in, such as Box etc.'"
Leeds have not got the funding yet though so its the same as Wakefield there is permission for the ground but the money isn't available yet.
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| Obviously the club does not have the money to totally renovate Belle Vue.
Does anyone have any idea as to what needs doing to meet health and safety standards and those of the RL/ Superleague?
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"What is really annoying about this is that this morning, Michael Carter has tweeted the news of 2 clubs who have been granted permission regarding Stadia, with Sheffield and Leeds.
Don't want to turn this thread, into a political debate, but who keeps voting these clowns in, such as Box etc.'"
We've got permission we have had it for years - it's funding we havn't got.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Michael told me this morning that we would not be allowed to remain in Super League if the move ended up being permanent and we would become a Championship Club. The RFL would allow us to play there if it was temporary and there was a way back into Wakefield and Dewsbury was upgraded to meet SL minimum standards.
Hope that clears things up.
Our future as a SL side is dependant on a new/upgraded stadium in Wakefield. That is why we must continue to fight for what was promised to the people of Wakefield.'"
I would like to see the basis that the RFL would make this decision on. Is there some kind of rule that states the a club can only play their home games within the metropolitan district of the town/city that is within their club name? Sounds like bullcrap to me!
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| Quote ="Smew"I would like to see the basis that the RFL would make this decision on. Is there some kind of rule that states the a club can only play their home games within the metropolitan district of the town/city that is within their club name? Sounds like bullcrap to me!'"
I'm glad the RFL don't want us playing permanently at Dewsbury and they want us playing in a fit for purpose stadium in Wakefield which us the trust and the club are striving for and were promised.
Up the Trin
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| I dont want us playing at Dewsbury permanently either, but a Wakefield Stadium to accommodate us appears to be pie in the sky, as it has been for the last 30+ years. But to suggest that we could be thrown out on the basis of our home ground being just outside the metropolitan district ? Id like to see where this is a specification for clubs.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Michael told me this morning that we would not be allowed to remain in Super League if the move ended up being permanent and we would become a Championship Club. The RFL would allow us to play there if it was temporary and there was a way back into Wakefield and Dewsbury was upgraded to meet SL minimum standards.
Hope that clears things up.
Our future as a SL side is dependant on a new/upgraded stadium in Wakefield. That is why we must continue to fight for what was promised to the people of Wakefield.'"
Can't help but think the RFL make these things up as they go along. Why would they relegate us if Dewsbury was brought up to Super League standards? Why also would they want rid of what is probably, under MC's stewardship, one of the most efficiently run clubs in Super League?
Oh for the days of no outside interference where your league status is based upon your performances on the pitch over a season of straight home and away fixtures, one up one down, and nothing else. Return to that simple criteria and we may get some fans back.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"What is really annoying about this is that this morning, Michael Carter has tweeted the news of 2 clubs who have been granted permission regarding Stadia, with Sheffield and Leeds.
Don't want to turn this thread, into a political debate, but who keeps voting these clowns in, such as Box etc.'"
Maybe people who would rather chop their own cockend off than vote Tory? And as if they'd be of any more use to us. Get real. Rugby isn't everything to everyone either they have other priorities
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| Wakefield is controlled by people not interested in Wakefield. The sad thing is that the individuals who ARE supposed to represent the City wards don't have a backbone between them.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Wakefield is controlled by people not interested in Wakefield. The sad thing is that the individuals who ARE supposed to represent the City wards don't have a backbone between them.'"
The sadder thing is, they don't have a majority either.
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| Quote ="chissitt"The sadder thing is, they don't have a majority either.'"
I mean even the Labour Councillors. Presume East, North and Central still are 100% Red Rosette. Don't know about Rural, Crofton & Ackworth, Wrenthorpe etc. All sit in the pre-council Labour Group Meetings looking at their belly buttons no doubt.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"I'm glad the RFL don't want us playing permanently at Dewsbury and they want us playing in a fit for purpose stadium in Wakefield which us the trust and the club are striving for and were promised.
Up the Trin'"
Perhaps we could merge and become Wakefield Trinty and Shaw Cross Sharks Rugby (Super) League Club - it seemed to work for Hudders/Sheffield and Hull-Gateshead.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I mean even the Labour Councillors. Presume East, North and Central still are 100% Red Rosette. Don't know about Rural, Crofton & Ackworth, Wrenthorpe etc. All sit in the pre-council Labour Group Meetings looking at their belly buttons no doubt.'"
Tbh I've more interest in belly's posts' than I have in politics at any level, so forgive me if I'm wrong here, but irrespective of whichever party you support don't the councillors from all the districts' which make up WMDC meet together thus rendering the minority of councillors' representing the city with their vote obsolete in the face of Mr box and his followers. which was the point I was trying to make.
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