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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"I think the fact that Lyne has scored 2 tries is papering over the cracks. His general play is poop. He scored a good individual effort against Featherstone and a walk in vs Cas. Looks no different to the Reece Lyne I saw last year. He is a lot slower than he used to be and he trundles about and seems to do everything very slowly with no aggression/physicality and tends to run lateral. If the last two friendlies are good/decent performances by his standards from people's comments on here then it goes to show how much we expect from a winger.'"
Have you actually been watching the pre season games ?
Either he's doing ok or being protected by his centre as we haven't conceded anything down his wing.
You say that he's doing stuff slowly but, he certainly found the line twice and the score at Cas was very well taken, with the "assist" landing on his boot laces.
I think that you may be one of the people who have him at the top of your "scapegoat" list ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Have you actually been watching the pre season games ?
Either he's doing ok or being protected by his centre as we haven't conceded anything down his wing.
You say that he's doing stuff slowly but, he certainly found the line twice and the score at Cas was very well taken, with the "assist" landing on his boot laces.
I think that you may be one of the people who have him at the top of your "scapegoat" list ?'"
Actually yes. Please tell me what Lyne did well. Happy to hear.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Have you actually been watching the pre season games ?
Either he's doing ok or being protected by his centre as we haven't conceded anything down his wing.
You say that he's doing stuff slowly but, he certainly found the line twice and the score at Cas was very well taken, with the "assist" landing on his boot laces.
I think that you may be one of the people who have him at the top of your "scapegoat" list ?'"
Sorry dude but I picked passes that low off my laces in the U7s. Why is it that if anyone says anything negative about any player on here it makes them a 'scapegoat'. I'm not saying it's Lyne's fault for our loss, therefore not a scapegoat. Have a word fella.
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| Quote ="W.T.W"I'd like to see Walton given ago along side Johnstone. Walton is strong in defence and quite quick for a big lad.
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Although, as much as BJB wants the FB spot. I'm still undecided as to whether this is his ideal position.
For me, I feel safer when a high ball goes up & Jordan Tansey is there, but we shall see how he goes.'"
Johnstone and BJB on the wing would be pretty mouthwatering, the problem is we don't have a centre capable of putting either of them away.
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"Actually yes. Please tell me what Lyne did well. Happy to hear.'"
Cant recall any missed tackles and scored a decent try, which is enough in a trial game 2 weeks before the season kicks
off, all in a game where we got smashed.
Not brilliant, but enough and certainly not deserving of the stick that he was getting from some fans.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Don't think that you will win any prediction competitions with that prophecy.
We are all expecting bottom 4 but, not tailed off last (with just 6 points in the regular season)
If we are competitive and making progress, most fans will be happy(ish)
I don't think anyone really thinks we will be in the top 8.'"
My comments were based on expecting a lot better with the signings you have made and I just didn't see the spark coming from anywhere in the team.
The least that should be done is to organise so that on the 5th tackle, Miller gives another option for a different play, instead of just expecting Finn to create something with a kick.
Unfortunately Finn can be one dimensional and you need some variation from somewhere. If not from Miller, then where?
On Sunday your forwards just didn't seem to be able to make yards or a half break to pass the ball to a supporting player and it becomes predictable, allowing the opposition to stifle you.
Without at least some set plays that may or may not come off, you will be doing a lot of defending (and not very well if Sunday was anything to go by)
I really don't want to see you in the bottom 4, especially not tailed off last but if you start off the seasons with a couple of drubbings, that's where you may finish up.
Lets hope that you find some enthusiasm and spark so that we have 2 competitive teams and good derby games.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Cant recall any missed tackles and scored a decent try, which is enough in a trial game 2 weeks before the season kicks
off, all in a game where we got smashed.
Not brilliant, but enough and certainly not deserving of the stick that he was getting from some fans.'"
Also not beaten in the air once by Joel Monaghan.
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| Quote ="sarge1"My comments were based on expecting a lot better with the signings you have made and I just didn't see the spark coming from anywhere in the team.
The least that should be done is to organise so that on the 5th tackle, Miller gives another option for a different play, instead of just expecting Finn to create something with a kick.
Unfortunately Finn can be one dimensional and you need some variation from somewhere. If not from Miller, then where?
On Sunday your forwards just didn't seem to be able to make yards or a half break to pass the ball to a supporting player and it becomes predictable, allowing the opposition to stifle you.
Without at least some set plays that may or may not come off, you will be doing a lot of defending (and not very well if Sunday was anything to go by)
I really don't want to see you in the bottom 4, especially not tailed off last but if you start off the seasons with a couple of drubbings, that's where you may finish up.
Lets hope that you find some enthusiasm and spark so that we have 2 competitive teams and good derby games.'"
That's a lot to take out of a warm-up game; what did you make of how we dealt with the all conquering Leeds side a couple of weeks ago?
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| Quote ="bren2k"That's a lot to take out of a warm-up game; what did you make of how we dealt with the all conquering Leeds side a couple of weeks ago?'"
I cant really comment because I didn't see it.
I do think however that warm up games / friendlies, are generally used to gauge the team's status with such a short time to the start of the season and to try out training ground moves, but there was only one team that looked anywhere near ready - and it wasn't Wakefield.
The title of this thread is 'no fire in the bellies' and if Sunday's performance is anything to go by, that is an accurate description.
As stated, let's hope for a lot better when it really matters.
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| Quote ="sarge1"I cant really comment because I didn't see it.
I do think however that warm up games / friendlies, are generally used to gauge the team's status with such a short time to the start of the season and to try out training ground moves, but there was only one team that looked anywhere near ready - and it wasn't Wakefield.
The title of this thread is 'no fire in the bellies' and if Sunday's performance is anything to go by, that is an accurate description.
As stated, let's hope for a lot better when it really matters.'"
The fact that you keep referring to Wakfeild as YOU rather than US, would suggest it's not a worry for you.
We all seem to be ok with it so I can't see the issue.
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| If I was a coach, with a team of limited skills, the last thing I'd want is my team going all out in a friendly, showing all our planned moves to the opposition. And I think BS has this in mind.
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| Yes and bare in mind the statement by BS in the express a few weeks back where he told Finn to put his kicking game on the back burner and experiment with his (BS) own ideas, hope this does not backfire as his is a pivotal role and is instrumental in getting the team into an attacking position.
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| Quote ="PopTart"The fact that you keep referring to Wakfeild as YOU rather than US, would suggest it's not a worry for you.
We all seem to be ok with it so I can't see the issue.'"
I'm a Rugby League fan and was commenting on what I saw at Sunday's game.
I didn't start the thread, merely passing my opinion and agreeing with the title, which suggests that you ALL are not OK with it?
If however you don't welcome the views of others on here, then so be it.
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| Quote ="JINJER"If I was a coach, with a team of limited skills, the last thing I'd want is my team going all out in a friendly, showing all our planned moves to the opposition. And I think BS has this in mind.
I hope you're right but my gut feeling is that you might be a bit naïve in that thought.
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| Quote ="BRIGGY"Yes and bare in mind the statement by BS in the express a few weeks back where he told Finn to put his kicking game on the back burner and experiment with his (BS) own ideas, hope this does not backfire as his is a pivotal role and is instrumental in getting the team into an attacking position.'"
And that's the worry, because Finn is very limited as a playmaker.
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| Quote ="sarge1"And that's the worry, because Finn is very limited as a playmaker.'"
As a supposed Cas fan why should anything regarding Wakey be a worry for you?
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| Quote ="chissitt"As a supposed Cas fan why should anything regarding Wakey be a worry for you?'"
Maybe he's just missing him
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| Quote ="chissitt"As a supposed Cas fan why should anything regarding Wakey be a worry for you?'"
Because I don't like to see West Yorkshire clubs doing badly.
You may not be interested in other clubs but don't assume we all have the same insular attitude.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Maybe he's just missing him
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Are you trying to provoke me into the same sarcastic comment, because it wont work.
My previous comments are genuine and not in any way meant to be over critical, but it appears there are some very sensitive souls on here.
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You are very welcome to your opinion but I think the message back to you is that your opinion seems strong based on one friendly game.
As the last league game at Cas was a Wakefield win I could choose that game and say you'll finish below us. It would be based on just as sound logic.
I think the general consensus at Wakefield, since you care about us so much, is that we are improving under Smith but we still have limited and new players so it will still be a struggle but we are lightly optimistic for the season.
I hope you are back in a few weeks after the league game. It could easily be the same score as Cas are clearly on the up but I reckon we'll be ok
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| Finn was one of the best players on the field against Leeds on Boxing Day wasn't he and controlled the game? Give the lad a chance..
Trinity need to be competitive in the forward battle which it sounds they weren't against Cas.
The best half back in SL wouldn't have much chance at that level if the pack weren't winning the ruck area and making decent yardage and quick play the ball.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Finn was one of the best players on the field against Leeds on Boxing Day wasn't he and controlled the game? Give the lad a chance..
Trinity need to be competitive in the forward battle which it sounds they weren't against Cas.
The best half back in SL wouldn't have much chance at that level if the pack weren't winning the ruck area and making decent yardage and quick play the ball.'"
Or the defence were never 10mtrs from the play the ball
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| Quote ="sarge1"Because I don't like to see West Yorkshire clubs doing badly.
You may not be interested in other clubs but don't assume we all have the same insular attitude.'"
Very commendable attitude if I may say so, where you are off the mark though is in assuming that I'm making an assumption that you have the same insular attitude as me, but you did get one thing right though when you assumed I'm not interested in any other club. HTH.
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| Quote ="JINJER"If I was a coach, with a team of limited skills, the last thing I'd want is my team going all out in a friendly, showing all our planned moves to the opposition. And I think BS has this in mind.
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I was saying this to a friend of mine, Castleford seemed to be puttin plenty of moves where it seemed we didn't even try any. I hope this is the case anyway, we'll find out eventually.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Very commendable attitude if I may say so, where you are off the mark though is in assuming that I'm making an assumption that you have the same insular attitude as me, but you did get one thing right though when you assumed I'm not interested in any other club. HTH.'"
One thing I am now sure of, is that anyone who is not wholly a Wakefield fan cannot come on here and voice any level of criticism even though it is meant with the best of intentions.
You obviously wont agree, but it is obvious that other than Wakey fans are not welcome, so in future I don't think I will bother trying to join in with a thread with a title such as this one.
Maybe if Wakefield are flying high in second place (Cas being top - lol) our views may coincide. Until then, best of luck for the coming season - Byee!
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