Depressing, I know

"We lost a game get over it". If only that was just it. Error strewn performances, dumb Rugby, poor interchanges, poor selections, favourite players who are shoe ins whilst others who seem better get no chance, on Sunday a gutless effort by some players who looked unmotivated. This is not about one match. I am negative yes. I am furious after what I saw v HKR and Bradford. First half v Salford little better. Fell apart v St Helens..It is all familiar and follows a depressing pattern. We have put a decnt full 80 minutes in about 5 times whilst he has been in charge. But lets give him 3 years and see what he can do

In an ideal world we would go into every game missing no tackles....making no errors....giving no penalties away....while playing free flowing rugby and scoring tries at will.....

Unfortunately....back in the real World (at present) we are a bottom 4 side.....which ultimately means we have our fair share of players who would get nowhere near the first team of the majority of other Super League clubs.....which then obviously means they will make more mistakes....miss more tackles.....drop more balls....give more penalties away......especially so when under pressure.....if we could afford.....and had one of the best starting 17's in Super League and the same performances were happening then I would definitely be asking the questions.....

This season though.....whether you are for or against Agar....he is here for the duration so we need to back him and the players to the hilt......we're still a new side who have shown we have the ability to a) win matches.....and b) play well enough to win more......there will be more sound beatings I'm sure....when your squad is inferior to roughly 75% of other squads (at this present time) then it's very likely it will happen again.....I dont think there is any coach out there who would make a massive difference to where we are at present.....

We have to do the best with what we've got......it is NOT purely and simply down to the coach.....have Ben Cockayne & Justin Poore all of a sudden become far better players because they aren't being coached by Richard Agar anymore? No, of course they haven't.....Ben will still be playing similar to when he was with us and Poore is still making the errors and giving the penalties away that he was when with us....

Lets hope the players can respond to the dross they served up yesterday and in the coming weeks show they are up to fighting to wear the shirt for the club we all love....

It get's more and more difficult to back your coach when he insists in experimenting when there is nothing wrong in the first place.
Needs to prioritise his games better.

first time poster . fan since 1967. I have seen a lot of ups and downs in my time as a wakey fan and you think you would get used to it. however , after travelling to hull yesterday and witnessing the utter shambles played out in front of my disbelieving eyes I felt I had to put pen to paper ,so to speak.
to the fans who cheered when they heard mathers wasn`t playing . well you got what you deserved . not only is he the best fullback at the club , he is the best we can afford . get off his back and stop hoping he cocks up just so you can bag him . saddos.
the best run we have had with agar as a coach was pure accident . he had to play a proper hooker due to aitons injury , a player who couldn`t get a game all season and then flogs him- andy ellis.
he has a blind spot with certain players , washbrook being the worst. a player that can`t pass , run or catch . please don`t point to his tackling stats as they are gained by being 2nd/3rd man in tackle.
he loans out players like wildie and walshaw - we could do with them now , couldn`t we?
he changes a team playing quite well as an experiment in a winnable game - for gods sake superleague must be our priority . if you want to experiment agar you should have waited for the cup - I don`t care if leeds put 80 past us next week,we ain`t gonna win the challenge cup.
as for the players lack of effort yesterday - if I was a player I`d be bloody confused about his team selection and game plan- if he has one.
all of the above seriously calls into question his judgement of players , team selection and tactical nouse.
if we could afford to get rid we should - but I know we can`t , so it`s fingers crossed and hope for the best.
you only have to look at cas to see how a structured , well coached team can perform with the right guy in charge . playing for each other and out performing their individual ability.

Great post Charlie! I agree 100%

Can I just clarify......why would the players be confused because he changed the team?
Both Sammut and Sykes have played the positions they were allocated.

Not one player finished without a missed tackle. I reckon they knew what to do there.

As I've said, Agar has to take some responsibility as made the changes but nothing he changed meant the players should perform so badly.

agree completely. feel sorry for my boss mr brown. we have been at the ground for the last 2 weeks , ripped out all the foundations on one stand and renewed them. barrowed all the muck out and all the concrete in. set all the bolts. hard enough for us to do but he is the guy that paid us and as a wakey fan I thought after the game yesterday mr b will be gutted. so many people putting so much effort in to be let down so badly by the team you have paid your hard earned to support. no effort , no aggression. our pack got absolutely walked over. they were a joke.
defence was absolutely abysmal. the whole thing was a disgrace. if I had my way and if we do the bases on the north stand, I would send that 17 to do all the barrowing and labouring, show them how the other half live and what others are doing on their behalf.
the only 2 that I would leave out would be reece lyne. taulima tautai

Go to the games hard working people paid plenty to watch that tripe Sunday.

Why do you assume I didn't go to the game and spend my hard earned money. The fact over the many years I have watched Wakefield I have seen much worse performances. I guess I am more pragmatic than some on here but you should never mistake this for a desire not to see Wakefield win every game.
The arguments about Agar's success being based on 7 games could equally apply to the period Kear was in charge, the run we had when Harbin coached the team. I know we were bad on Sunday but do you think the amount of bile on display is because we expect more from the team we have. I remember many poor games during the Kear era when the total game plan was 5 barges and a kick. The problem then was that we knew that it would be the same game plan the following week until Solomona came along.

Rubbish. Agar changed a team playing well. We are very equal to Hull Kr if not better we were 44.0 down you plum.Agar finished 11th last year with a excellent team. I'm not judging him on 7 games I've judged him for 3 years now. First season excellent 2nd poor 3rd poor so far errors the same.

Ah that old chestnut of Kears only tactic was 5 drives and a kick. The comment of the clueless man. The only time these tactics were employed on anything approaching a regular basis was his last season in 2011 when the team he had was, quite frankly, dire and the players didn't have the capability to play any other way. Yet that team still didn't get the wooden spoon. Most seasons we played good stuff, especially 08 & 09 when Brough was pulling the strings.

Agar deserves more time yet but his mask is slipping and he needs now to start making improvements and getting results.

All at the expense of anything and everything that didn't concern 1st team matters, in particular the youth set up which is still trying to recover from the John Kear years!

He did the job in 2006 but after that his tenure as head coach was all fur coat and no knickers

The youth set up is a different argument and whilst you may well have a valid point Agars team choices are no better in that regard.

Can't quite make my mind up on this one, because in one sense it is contradictory.

The disappointment about Sunday was because we had played so well in the previous three games. So we are playing well this year. The disappointment about Bradford was because our team had looked promising against Salford.

So out of the games so far, we had played well and lost against two sides thought to be better than ours (one of which is still unbeaten), and had played well and won against two poor sides (one of which has now shown itself to be a decent side).

So on the season as a whole, our form has been good. The frustration is that of the two games when we have been rubbish, Bradford and Hull KR, they have been games that are crucial to our survival.

The youth set up is THE most vital area of the club, especially our club because we don't have the money to buy in top class players. As a sport we can't compete with RUs money and we can't lure the best or even second best Players from down under anymore. The only way forward is to grow your own and in that regard Agar is light years beyond Kear who simply wasn't interested in anything below the SL team. As a result the whole structure of youth development was destroyed and but for Tony Drury and his GF Winning Academy the club was a laughing stock. Agars been nothing but supportive of the structures below his first team and is a big advocate of creating a pathway through for the young ones.

Be careful what you wish for is all I'm saying!

another reason why its vital we stay up this season or it will become a luxury that we can't afford

Told that Agar flogged the first team in training on Monday for that performance so they have had a flogging and Agars had one on the forum.

Yes and what happened against Bradford he rushed Sammut in after been with the club 2 days. Everything good about the Salford game was messed up. Everything good about the last 3 games Agar messed the team up. SAME ERRORS !

Personally I'd rather see the top teams hit us for 50 but be beating the Bradfords and Hull KRs as opposed to us putting in gallant losing performances against the top teams and then be capitulating spectacularly in the more crucial games.

Don't think we would have had a better chance to beat Saints than other Sunday, unfortunately that didn't happen.
Should have been looking to go to KR and build on that but to disrupt the flow of the team is bonkers.
Needs to prioritise his games better.