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| Quote ="chapster"he does have a point though snowie
the club need big investment, not supporters digging deep.
it was hardly a dragons den speech was it
on reading it..................... would you invest??
hope your good bye the way'"
All SL clubs need big investment as the paying game does not pay the bills, that is a sad indictment of our game.
Numerous clubs have struggled just in the recent past.
Sky TV have lamented all night about Ken Davys millions spent on achieving tonight's LL success which will be largely forgotten about by the start of next season if they don't go on to bag the grand final too.
As for the speech, it was made as quickly as we could have hoped and its given us some answers and something to get behind. Another poster has suggested it was too much, personally I don't think it was half as insightful as it should have been but that's just me.
Following the release from AG a few weeks back re cash flow but everything's fine, I'd like to here his views on what he's overseen lately and weather or not he feels he's let the supporters down as much as the (ex?) CEO has, or weather he feels equally as let down as us.
As for investment if I had squill ions in the bank (like Al has) I would love to, if I had plenty in the bank but I couldn't afford to lose it; it'd be highly unlikely.
One thing is for sure what money we have had hadn't been used half as wisely as it should have been, but the discounted STs haven't helped (something I've been banging on about for ages).
It's a tough call and a tough job, but we need tough people making the tough decisions not too jokers having a who's got the biggest twitter following competition, back slapping their way through countless CCJs and cash flow problems.
We also need supporters to back the efforts of the club in yet more tough times, not walk away because they don't agree or feel let down (again!!)
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| Quote ="Agent XIII"Yes this was my first post but [uI was under the impression this was a forum.[/u I have been a season ticket holder, shareholder and supporter since 1970. The reason I felt the need to post was because I was fed up of reading self righteous members who feel they know best and don't take criticism of their views too well.
I suppose if you read the usual suspects tonight's defeat is down to either, Fox, Cockayne, washbrook or all three depending on their personal dislikes. We are in trouble but I still feel some of you are responsible for making the situation worse and [uforcing the chairman's hand[/u to make what I felt was an ill conceived and far too detailed statement just to placate some of you. If you look at the other clubs forum they have supporters making criticisms but no club felt the need to make a statement.'"
It is, you made a comment i said i did not agree, at what point does that make it not a forum
Who did that then, maybe MC did what he thinks best, if you think he did it because of pressure from this board then you are treating him like a fool.
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| Quote ="El Rey"It is, you made a comment i said i did not agree, at what point does that make it not a forum
Who did that then, maybe MC did what he thinks best, if you think he did it because of pressure from this board then you are treating him like a fool.'"
my thoughts exactly at what point does this forum force the club to make account of them selves
call me gullible but I read that statement from Carter as true and genuine attempt to correct the clubs direction before its too late and I fear more actions will be fore coming.
not sure the club understands how to treat the paying public. I'd rather them be honest
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| Quote ="Agent XIII"Yes this was my first post but I was under the impression this was a forum. I have been a season ticket holder, shareholder and supporter since 1970. The reason I felt the need to post was because I was fed up of reading self righteous members who feel they know best and don't take criticism of their views too well.
I suppose if you read the usual suspects tonight's defeat is down to either, Fox, Cockayne, washbrook or all three depending on their personal dislikes. We are in trouble but I still feel some of you are responsible for making the situation worse and forcing the chairman's hand to make what I felt was an ill conceived and far too detailed statement just to placate some of you. If you look at the other clubs forum they have supporters making criticisms but no club felt the need to make a statement.'"
fwiw I think the statement was well worded and was decide to stop panic by the fans and has encouraged fans to stick with it and get behind the Club which we all support and hope to do so for many a day
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"We lost tonight because Huddersfield have a better team. Simple as. No blaming players for mistakes, it was a better team beating a worse team.
We've been fed lies and mistruths for years from the top table at Belle Vue, why hide the fact that investment is needed when it was hardly a secret, thanks to the number of CCJ's and Winding Up Orders, that it was fairly obviously the case.
Would we lose players to other clubs without the statement? Of course we would! Nothing has changed. We're a selling club. We have been for years.
I have no idea if the new man will be a success, history says probably not, but if he's honest, that's all we can ask. Don't hype up a lottery as a massive announcement, don't claim to be a 'life long fan' when you're nothing of the sort. Just do the best you can to not run the club into the ground, and the right minded people will be fair.'"
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| according to Agar's post match speech the chairman will be releasing some more info tomorrow
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| Press conference apparently sometime today.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"
It's a tough call and a tough job, but we need tough people making the tough decisions not too jokers having a who's got the biggest twitter following competition, back slapping their way through countless CCJs and cash flow problems.
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Correct
However I just wonder if those two are hardfaced enough to continue strutting around the place as if nothing has happened.
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| players leaving or new investment????? exciting times, start of a new era. If players leave, they leave, dust ourselves down and dig in OR new investment and we sell no more players and can invest in the club.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"
I dont think AG has much blame, he was the money man. His mistake was listening and becoming too pally with JE. Elstone made the decisions which have bitten him and the club on the
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup"
Totally agree Mable
How anyone can not be grateful for the guy who stepped in and stopped us disappearing is quite bemusing.
However, by the sound of things,we are back in the poop and its going to be another tough time for the club and the fans.
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| I'm hearing interesting things about new investment, prompted by the restructure at the top of the club; perhaps today's press conference will reveal more details?
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| Lets hope so.
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| Hope there is more investment as trying to run a superleague as a business was more feasible when it was franchising. Now promotion and relegation is back then all clubs will live well beyond their means leaving us well behind.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I'm hearing interesting things about new investment, prompted by the restructure at the top of the club; perhaps today's press conference will reveal more details?'"
I hope so Bren.
I can't imagine the new chairman taking on the role without further financial help from other contacts.
Fingers crossed.
I completely understand the decision as a business to sell Smith short term.
Something quick has to come out to get us buying those season tickets however.
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| Although I've posted this on previous occasions when the club were strapped and even mentioned it to the Richardson regimen at a shareholders meeting, maybe now is a good time to approach Michael Parkinson for support. Even if he doesn't stump up any cash, his name next to our club would encourage investment. If any of you have old programs from the Conway, Bell era, Parkinson used to have an honorary position on our board - I think we need him back. Couldn't do any harm.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I'm hearing interesting things about new investment, prompted by the restructure at the top of the club; perhaps today's press conference will reveal more details?'"
Lets hope so, otherwise we are in a pickle.
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| Surely no one in their right mind would put money into an organisation that had so much debt. There is no way anyone would want to inherit that liability to West Yorks Windows for starters. Also which investor in their right mind
would want Jimmy as a 5% stakeholder.
The only way to attract investment would be a totally restructuring I would have thought and not knowing that much
about accounting the only way to do that would be to clear the decks with a pre pack.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Surely no one in their right mind would put money into an organisation that had so much debt. There is no way anyone would want to inherit that liability to West Yorks Windows for starters. Also which investor in their right mind
would want Jimmy as a 5% stakeholder.
The only way to attract investment would be a totally restructuring I would have thought and not knowing that much
about accounting the only way to do that would be to clear the decks with a pre pack.'"
No one invests for money return
You invest because you love the club, or want to give something back to the community, or most likely it is equivilant to your marketing/advertising budget and you get on Sky and in press, etc etc
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| Quote ="PopTart"No one invests for money return
You invest because you love the club, or want to give something back to the community, or most likely it is equivilant to your marketing/advertising budget and you get on Sky and in press, etc etc'"
People who have the money to throw away are few and far between. The main reason is that they don't usually get their money by being foolish and sentimental.
Any money being put into WTW right now would be nothing more than buying someones elses financial problems.
The decks need clearing, you need a straight edge financially and only then would someone consider stepping in I would have thought.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Surely no one in their right mind would put money into an organisation that had so much debt. There is no way anyone would want to inherit that liability to West Yorks Windows for starters. Also which investor in their right mind
would want Jimmy as a 5% stakeholder.
The only way to attract investment would be a totally restructuring I would have thought and not knowing that much
about accounting the only way to do that would be to clear the decks with a pre pack.'"
New investment after a Pre-pack Administration might be the key ?
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| Quote ="Tigerade"New investment after a Pre-pack Administration might be the key ?'"
And start a relegation season with a points deduction? That would be madness.
All that is needed is someone who doesn't mind giving away half a million. But that's the hard part.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"And start a relegation season with a points deduction? That would be madness.
All that is needed is someone who doesn't mind giving away half a million. But that's the hard part.'"
How are those book sales cominmg along?
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| Quote ="bren2k"I'm hearing interesting things about new investment, prompted by the restructure at the top of the club; perhaps today's press conference will reveal more details?'"
I hope you're right Bren. I know there were a couple showing an interest but neither of the names mentioned to me have the cash to back the club to the degree that some on here would like.
More a Glover than a Koucash if you like!
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| Pre pack should have been done this season so we took the hit now points wise.
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